Wasn’t Doege the guy that in 2019 everyone was begging for to replace Austin Kendall because he was better?
Just a thought
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Yes he was and I was one of them and I am eating my crow on it big time. Kendall looked pretty bad that year, but a lot of people forgot he played injured most of the season. Doege remained the starter until the Liberty Bowl when Kendall had to save the game.
But none of it matters. We havent had a good QB since Grier, Geno before him and White before him. Our best bet heading forward is to hope Nicco pans out like he should.
Well I left Grier off because I was more impressed with his wife (like the TV cameras were during games). Ha ha. That was a joke.
Pat White won more Big games than Grier ever thought about. Even Maryland beat Texas.
T-Bone is still butt hurt because Grier skipped a nothing bowl game, I see. Pat White did win bigger games at WVU, but couldn't break a pane of glass, and that's why he held a clipboard in Miami for a season, then was cut. Grier has lasted for three seasons as an NFL back up because he can throw more than a bubble screen pass.
I was hopeful Doege would improve year over year like many year 2 system qbs trend. So far, I’m not sure that has developed. Still, I’m not sure his struggles this year automatically mean he wasn’t the right choice over Kendall.
Best Mountaineer QBs of all time
From the BIG 12 era
#5 Geno Smith
#6 Will Grier
#10 Clint Trickett
#11 Skylar Howard
WVU has had some QBs even over the last several seasons.
Doege not in the same class as these
From the BIG 12 era
#5 Geno Smith
#6 Will Grier
#10 Clint Trickett
#11 Skylar Howard
WVU has had some QBs even over the last several seasons.
Doege not in the same class as these
Career passing yards
Grier and Howard did theirs in 3 years.
Pat White QB in 49 games
Doege QB in 19 games so far. Last 4 of '19, 10 in '20 and 5 so far in '21.
| # | Passing Yards | Name | Career |
|---|---|---|---|
| 1 | 11,662 | Geno Smith | 2009-12 |
| 2 | 8,153 | Marc Bulger HoF | 1996-99 |
| 3 | 7,354 | Will Grier | 2016-18 |
| 4 | 7,302 | Skyler Howard | 2014-16 |
| 5 | 6,049 | Pat White HoF | 2005-08 |
| 12 | 4,612 | Jarret Doege | 2019-21 |
Doege QB in 19 games so far. Last 4 of '19, 10 in '20 and 5 so far in '21.
Doege passing numbers have to do with Browns lack of offensive passing play calling, inaccuracy and the woeful receiving performances that Brown has fielded -- 8th worst in college football last season.
How can this be taken serious when a current bench warmer Garrett Greene is ranked #21 on the list and hasn’t played that much over dozens of others who have been good enough to start at least ONE game for WVU?
If he were to play a whole game would he plummet to near the bottom? I don't think Greene is the answer. But should be given game time opportunity to be starter after we drop to 2-5.
Howard didn't start all 3 years. Howard played 4 games in 2014 going 56-110 and 829 yards. Rushed for 172 yards on 22 carries.
Howard only started the last 2 games of the season vs ISU and in bowl game against Texas A&M. Howard won 19 games for WVU. Most by any QB under Holgorsen. Geno Smith only won 17, Trickett 9 and Grier 15 wins.
WVU 2021 has 165 rushes to 168 passing attempts. You fail again. 64.2% passing pct. The problem is Doege decision making and missing wide open receivers plus an inability to span the field but instead only focuses on main target.
Well here are their QB ratings:
Doege 2021 season stats
- QBR
62.3
Greene 2021 season stats
- QBR
74.9
--so QB ratings show Greene as the better QB at this point in time in terms of rating
Is 5 to 10 minutes playing time enough to register a real QBR? I will wait for my judgement after seeing more PT. What I know so far is he can run, he doesn't follow the plan and fails when he doesn't.
It’s not. But I will trust the staff who are with the players each and every day to put the best one out on the field rather than base my judgment on just what happened on Saturday to win games.
Tx Tech had a lot to prove.
We will see how they finish the season but the way the game went WVU wasn’t that bad.
TX Tech kicked our asses early and Neal Brown made sure that there was a game in the end.
If Tx Tech ends up a 6-6 or 5-7 it means nothing in the end. But there is a chance they are a quality football team. Have to see how the season plays out for them and for WVU.
Now it is taking on another quality football team in Baylor.
3-3 looks much better than 2-4. WVU is about 10 points from being 5-0 right now. Another close loss would really suck.
We will see how they finish the season but the way the game went WVU wasn’t that bad.
TX Tech kicked our asses early and Neal Brown made sure that there was a game in the end.
If Tx Tech ends up a 6-6 or 5-7 it means nothing in the end. But there is a chance they are a quality football team. Have to see how the season plays out for them and for WVU.
Now it is taking on another quality football team in Baylor.
3-3 looks much better than 2-4. WVU is about 10 points from being 5-0 right now. Another close loss would really suck.
More overreacting.
Heard the sky is falling after losing to Maryland
You disappeared after Virginia Tech
Two losses by a FG you return.
This is CFB and not the NFL. You have to win pretty much every game to compete at the highest level.
But these teams in this conference are so close that there isn’t need for any overreaction. Team will have to take these losses personal and show up again on Saturday.
Just like the NFL. Margin of error is so small. ATTENTION TO DETAIL. One mistake could cause you to take a L.
Learn this early playing football my sophomore year. Play came in with the WR. WR would change every play. The OC told me the play and I repeated what I heard to the QB.
The play I gave the QB didn’t exist so ended up a 8 yard loss because no one knew what to do. It was a close game on the road to a team we really wanted to beat.
If I knew all the plays I would have known that there was a mix up. I didn’t. Learned my lesson very quick. So did the coaches. They stopped using us to bring in plays for the QB
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TERRIBLE INSUFFICENT DATA. BY YOUR STANDARD IF A 3RD STRING QB CAME IN, THREW 1 PASS FOR A TD AGAINST LONG ISLAND AND HAD A 100 QB RATING HE WOULD BE THE GREATEST QB EVER FOR WVU. REALLY?
I like how the record books look but Grier and Howard were "meh"
Doege would throw for 4000 yards and 30 tds in Holgorsen offense.
And Leddie would be a 1000 yard back
And we'd have at least one 1000 yard receiver.
Leddie only had 446 yards under Holgorsen. Leddie ran for over a 1,000 yards (5.1 average yard per carry) 9 TD's rushing 31 receptions 202 yards (7.1 yd average) in 2020 in only 10 games under Brown. Leddie is not that great of a runner. Slow to hole and easy to tackle at the line. Doesn't have the speed to make it outside the tackle spot. If he does make 2nd level he can then do damage. But is easily tripped up
Doege might have 4,000 yards and 30 TDs under Holgorsen but he would throw 20 INT's and complete 52% of his passes. The record would be anywhere from 5-7 the ceiling would be 7-6 or 6-7 after bowl loss.
What a complete distortion of reality. There exist in reality systems for rating QBs- none of which I compiled or developed. If you cant comprehend that then instead of trolling factual statements go find a hobby.
He already has one. It's posting on the various sports forums pretending to be a sports expert. He's a squirrel.
Interesting, I agree mostly..
What i don't understand
about Neal Brown for example,
is Neal Brown states WVU needs to use more depth at RB (paraphrase), and basically Zitlch in RB rotation, spelling optional.
Use the depth chart or pay the price -in b12 loses and future transfers.
He brought in freshman who aren’t their yet.
Those young RBs have to develop. Some of you think this **** just happens overnight with the players.
How does the team respond is more important than if the team loses a few close games.
Do they want to play for Neal Brown?
We will find out against Baylor. On the road against a quality opponent.
Those young RBs have to develop. Some of you think this **** just happens overnight with the players.
How does the team respond is more important than if the team loses a few close games.
Do they want to play for Neal Brown?
We will find out against Baylor. On the road against a quality opponent.
Who knows all those answers, until someone at West Virginia has the guts to play the depth chart.
So, you give HCNB credit for Brown's stellar 2020 season, but omit the fact that Brown rushed for a paltry 367 yards on 3.4 yards/carry (he rushed for 4.9 yards/carry under Holgorsen in 2018) in HCNB's first season in 2019? Data mine much?
Yeah, First Team all Big 12 isn't stellar...on what planet, exactly? You've made the mistake of debating me before. Remember when you told me how great Brown's back-up was before last season, and I strongly disagreed. How did that work out for you?