Karachla out?

[Wrestleknownothing]

This one is not in the Wrestling rulebook. You have to go deep into the D1 manual to find it (page 286):

17.31.5.1.1 Multiple-Day Competition and Dual Meets Within Three Consecutive Days. On not more than two occasions, an institution may count a multiple-day competition or two consecutive dual meets as one date of competition, if the following requirements are met: (Adopted: 6/20/11, Revised: 5/1/19 effective 8/1/19)

(a) The multiple-day competition or two consecutive dual meets occur within three consecutive days; and​

(b) The institution participates in not more than one multiple-day event or not more than two dual meets during the three consecutive days.​

 

[Kingslayer]

Friday Sunday one match is about the dumbest thing I have ever heard!

You have written plenty of dumber things just in this board

 

[tullfan68]

You have written plenty of dumber things just in this board

that could be true but this is till dumber than anything!well maybe not dumber than you!have a nice day

 

[Wrestleknownothing]

that could be true but this is till dumber than anything!well maybe not dumber than you!have a nice day

The reason it makes sense is because the Fri/Sun dual combo is often on the road (PSU at MSU then at Mich, for example). Combine that with restricting the size of the traveling contingent and you can understand why coaches would succeed in lobbying for it.

 

[El_Jefe]

Friday Sunday one match is about the dumbest thing I have ever heard!

Which makes it really dumb since Ohio State was ranked #1 earlier this year.

 

[98lberEating2Lunches]

This one is not in the Wrestling rulebook. You have to go deep into the D1 manual to find it (page 286):

17.31.5.1.1 Multiple-Day Competition and Dual Meets Within Three Consecutive Days. On not more than two occasions, an institution may count a multiple-day competition or two consecutive dual meets as one date of competition, if the following requirements are met: (Adopted: 6/20/11, Revised: 5/1/19 effective 8/1/19)

(a) The multiple-day competition or two consecutive dual meets occur within three consecutive days; and​

(b) The institution participates in not more than one multiple-day event or not more than two dual meets during the three consecutive days.​

So it's the institution, not an individual wrestler, if I'm understanding that correctly.

I thought that was for the team limit on competition dates.

I guess it could also apply to all wrestlers, as well, with respect to RS eligibility maintainence.

 

[Wrestleknownothing]

So it's the institution, not an individual wrestler, if I'm understanding that correctly.

I thought that was for the team limit on competition dates.

I guess it could also apply to all wrestlers, as well, with respect to RS eligibility maintainence.

It is all used as the wrestling-specific date of competition definition for anywhere in the rules there is a restriction on dates of competition. The next section specifies the individual limit with a little less detailed definition, so I copied the more robust definition.

 

[PSUbluTX]

The reason it makes sense is because the Fri/Sun dual combo is often on the road (PSU at MSU then at Mich, for example). Combine that with restricting the size of the traveling contingent and you can understand why coaches would succeed in lobbying for it.

If a multi-day weekend tournament allows a kid to wrestle several times and have it count as a single “date” for redshirt purposes, there is no meaningful distinction to this 3-day rule. Either both are dumb or neither is. I’m dumbly onboard with it.

 

[Wrestleknownothing]

If a multi-day weekend tournament allows a kid to wrestle several times and have it count as a single “date” for redshirt purposes, there is no meaningful distinction to this 3-day rule. Either both are dumb or neither is. I’m dumbly onboard with it.

The distinction is that one is a tournament, and presumably on consecutive days (2 or 3) at a single location among the same group of competitors, and the other is a pair of duals that could be anywhere, against differing competition, and typically with a day in between.

It used to be the tournament could only be a two-day event to qualify and consecutive duals had to be on consecutive days. Now it looks like there is a three day window for everything.

 

[BriantheLion]

This one is not in the Wrestling rulebook. You have to go deep into the D1 manual to find it (page 286):

17.31.5.1.1 Multiple-Day Competition and Dual Meets Within Three Consecutive Days. On not more than two occasions, an institution may count a multiple-day competition or two consecutive dual meets as one date of competition, if the following requirements are met: (Adopted: 6/20/11, Revised: 5/1/19 effective 8/1/19)

(a) The multiple-day competition or two consecutive dual meets occur within three consecutive days; and​

(b) The institution participates in not more than one multiple-day event or not more than two dual meets during the three consecutive days.​

Can you please explain the B part of this?

I read it as: if there are two multi-day tournaments going on the same weekend, that a guy couldn’t go to either of them without burning more than one of his five competitions… but it doesn’t make sense that they would make the rule that way.

 

[98lberEating2Lunches]

Can you please explain the B part of this?

I read it as: if there are two multi-day tournaments going on the same weekend, that a guy couldn’t go to either of them without burning more than one of his five competitions… but it doesn’t make sense that they would make the rule that way.

I think it has to do with more than six nonstarters going to a different tournament within the same three days as the starters, and having the two tournaments count as a single competition date for the institution.

The wording seems to prevent that. Without the wording, it would appear allowed.

 

[trufan]

I'd like to hear the Cornell lawyers respond to this so we all get a proper interpretation of the rules.

 

[PSUbluTX]

The distinction is that one is a tournament, and presumably on consecutive days (2 or 3) at a single location among the same group of competitors, and the other is a pair of duals that could be anywhere, against differing competition, and typically with a day in between.

It used to be the tournament could only be a two-day event to qualify and consecutive duals had to be on consecutive days. Now it looks like there is a three day window for everything.

Agreed. My comment was really directed at people who seem ok with a multi-day tournament counting as 1 RS event but think treating 2 duals in a weekend the same is dumb. That’s what I meant by there’s no “meaningful“ distinction between the two.

 

[WV lion]

Here is an absolutely crazy scenario. A freshman just goes to big ten seeded last, qualifies for NCAAs and competes, how many events is that?

 

[Random4598375]

Here is an absolutely crazy scenario. A freshman just goes to big ten seeded last, qualifies for NCAAs and competes, how many events is that?

All postseason dates burn the RS.

 

[Wrestleknownothing]

Can you please explain the B part of this?

I read it as: if there are two multi-day tournaments going on the same weekend, that a guy couldn’t go to either of them without burning more than one of his five competitions… but it doesn’t make sense that they would make the rule that way.

You can't double down in a single three day window.

My guess it is to close a loophole that might appeal to a Kevin Dresser type. At the end of the season I am close to my max competition dates, but I have wrestlers I want to get matches for to earn an RPI or boost a win %. I will create/schedule two overlapping two-day tournaments in the same three day window. Wa La.

 

[WV lion]

All postseason dates burn the RS.

That was simple. Thanks

 

[Psalm 1 guy]

This one is not in the Wrestling rulebook. You have to go deep into the D1 manual to find it (page 286):

17.31.5.1.1 Multiple-Day Competition and Dual Meets Within Three Consecutive Days. On not more than two occasions, an institution may count a multiple-day competition or two consecutive dual meets as one date of competition, if the following requirements are met: (Adopted: 6/20/11, Revised: 5/1/19 effective 8/1/19)

(a) The multiple-day competition or two consecutive dual meets occur within three consecutive days; and​

(b) The institution participates in not more than one multiple-day event or not more than two dual meets during the three consecutive days.​

@Wrestleknownothing would you mind posting the link to this D1 manual? TIA

 

[Wrestleknownothing]

@Wrestleknownothing would you mind posting the link to this D1 manual? TIA

Shame on me for not doing that originally.

Here is the Legislative Services Database website where it is posted along with some other interesting stuff: https://web3.ncaa.org/lsdbi/resources

 

[Psalm 1 guy]

Shame on me for not doing that originally.

Here is the Legislative Services Database website where it is posted along with some other interesting stuff: https://web3.ncaa.org/lsdbi/resources

Only 424 pages for the D1 manual? The NCAA must be streamlining their operations : )

 

[District 4]

This one is not in the Wrestling rulebook. You have to go deep into the D1 manual to find it (page 286):

17.31.5.1.1 Multiple-Day Competition and Dual Meets Within Three Consecutive Days. On not more than two occasions, an institution may count a multiple-day competition or two consecutive dual meets as one date of competition, if the following requirements are met: (Adopted: 6/20/11, Revised: 5/1/19 effective 8/1/19)

(a) The multiple-day competition or two consecutive dual meets occur within three consecutive days; and​

(b) The institution participates in not more than one multiple-day event or not more than two dual meets during the three consecutive days.​

So a wrestler could use the two dual weekends as 2 competitions if they didn't use a tournament is what I'm seeing or they can use one of both

 

[District 4]

Here is an absolutely crazy scenario. A freshman just goes to big ten seeded last, qualifies for NCAAs and competes, how many events is that?

Post season doesn't count the rules says no exception for conference or national tournaments

 

[Wrestleknownothing]

So a wrestler could use the two dual weekends as 2 competitions if they didn't use a tournament is what I'm seeing or they can use one of both

Correct. Two of either or one of each.

 

[tullfan68]

Goofy as it sounds, it allows a team more leeway to sub in a redshirting freshman for a starter with a short term injury at the time of a two dual weekend.

hell just call all duals one big match for the whole season!just something I don't agree with no matter what anyone tells me!2 matches in one weekend and 2 diff sites just makes no sense calling it one match credit!

 

[tullfan68]

If that's the dumbest thing you've ever heard, you've lived a sheltered life. LOL.

LOL you couldn't come close to matching my life and I was talking just wrestling!you have your opinion and I have mine!