Kash Daniel...Offense?

sluggercatfan

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I know he is going to play linebacker, but do any of you think he may be used on offense in the wildcat some.. think he could be a big weapon in some situations as he played QB in HS and can throw the fb.....sure hope he and Jacob Hyde can be used by Gran to help add some much needed improvement to the offense
 

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It would be very unusual but not impossible, UCLA's LB excelled on O as well as D.
 

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In the three years this staff has been here I can only remember one time when we threw the ball from a wildcat formation. Kemp has done a good job from this formation and is capable of throwing the ball. there's only 2 or 3 passing plays you have in a wildcat package and they are all easy ones, the formation is designed to gain an advantage at the point of attack for a run not to throw the ball. The pass is just change a changeup play, or when the defense is incorrectly lined up.
 

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The one time Kemp threw it out of the wildcat it was picked off. There are probably other guys on the team more capable in the wildcat than Kash. If we sign Stephen Johnson then we won't have to run the wildcat at all. If Barker starts we can still run packages for Johnson that have designed runs in it for him
 
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The one time Kemp threw it out of the wildcat it was picked off. There are probably other guys on the team more capable in the wildcat than Kash. If we sign Stephen Johnson then we won't have to run the wildcat at all. If Barker starts we can still run packages for Johnson that have designed runs in it for him
The guy played QB and threw the ball really ...I saw him live what makes you think he isn't capable...Jojo probably never played QB in his life..KD is also an excellent baseball player and I think may have been a pitcher...I think this kid is going to bea star
 

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The guy played QB and threw the ball really ...I saw him live what makes you think he isn't capable...Jojo probably never played QB in his life..KD is also an excellent baseball player and I think may have been a pitcher...I think this kid is going to bea star
I'm not saying that he is incapable I just think there are probably better options on offense. Too many options to resort to using our young star MLB two ways. I want him to focus on being the best MLB that he can possibly be instead of splitting his time up on the other side of the ball.
 
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He is needed at LB and I'm sure that's his bread and butter. Great athlete to have on our side. Sounds like a good kid too so that makes him that much more valuable.
 

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I'm not saying that he is incapable I just think there are probably better options on offense. Too many options to resort to using our young star MLB two ways. I want him to focus on being the best MLB that he can possibly be instead of splitting his time up on the other side of the ball.
I am not asking for him to touch the ball ten times a game, just for the coaches to scheme some stuff for him... watched Baylor in their game and they had EIGHT guys take snaps from center and had 650+ yds rushing
 

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I'm not saying that he is incapable I just think there are probably better options on offense. Too many options to resort to using our young star MLB two ways. I want him to focus on being the best MLB that he can possibly be instead of splitting his time up on the other side of the ball.
After watching last two years can I here some of those options...just think the offense can use all the juice it can get
 

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After watching last two years can I here some of those options...just think the offense can use all the juice it can get
A competent OC will add plenty of juice to the offense. I'd rather see Kemp, Boom, Juice, or King take a direct snap before Kash. Kash played 1A football in Kentucky. He was successful but against who? He never even would've played offense on a team like Male, Trinity, or St. X much less a powerhouse in GA, FL, TX, CA, ect. I didn't want to be so frank or sound like I'm downplaying his accomplishments but c'mon man. Hell put Conrad back there if you really want to mix it up at least he's a proven player with the football in his hands
 

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A competent OC will add plenty of juice to the offense. I'd rather see Kemp, Boom, Juice, or King take a direct snap before Kash. Kash played 1A football in Kentucky. He was successful but against who? He never even would've played offense on a team like Male, Trinity, or St. X much less a powerhouse in GA, FL, TX, CA, ect. I didn't want to be so frank or sound like I'm downplaying his accomplishments but c'mon man. Hell put Conrad back there if you really want to mix it up at least he's a proven player with the football in his hands
So how on earth did Tim Couch ever become the #1 draft pick?...Kash Daniel is a special player and I don't care what level he played at
 

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So how on earth did Tim Couch ever become the #1 draft pick?...Kash Daniel is a special player and I don't care what level he played at
I'm not doubting that he's a special player. I'm very excited to have him. He's going to be a game changer for our defense for years to come. He's not a special talent on offense in the SEC IMO. He'd probably tell you the same
 
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Let's not overthink this thing. Had UK had the wherewithall to line up in the I-formation with Taco Meat or Hyde as lead blocker for Kemp not once but twice vs Vandy...UK would've made a bowl this year. The UK O has some weapons if used correctly without having to resort to trickeration.
 

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I'm not doubting that he's a special player. I'm very excited to have him. He's going to be a game changer for our defense for years to come. He's not a special talent on offense in the SEC IMO. He'd probably tell you the same
I doubt that he would say that..lol...like I said not asking for him to switch sides of the ball just as an extra weapon on offense ..can't hurt...like Baylor using their 410 # TE
 

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I doubt that he would say that..lol...like I said not asking for him to switch sides of the ball just as an extra weapon on offense ..can't hurt...like Baylor using their 410 # TE

Love that Baylor TE! Sure would hate to have to feed him.
 

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I was thinking H-Back for him. He could easily slide out of the back field and catch balls. He's a moose that can run.

I like that.

Does he have a 6' rack of antlers, or do the chicken%#$& refs make him take them off before the game?
 

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In the three years this staff has been here I can only remember one time when we threw the ball from a wildcat formation. Kemp has done a good job from this formation and is capable of throwing the ball. there's only 2 or 3 passing plays you have in a wildcat package and they are all easy ones, the formation is designed to gain an advantage at the point of attack for a run not to throw the ball. The pass is just change a changeup play, or when the defense is incorrectly lined up.

That was a failed pass attempt against a bad team (Louisiana Lafeyette?).
 

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I know he is going to play linebacker, but do any of you think he may be used on offense in the wildcat some.. think he could be a big weapon in some situations as he played QB in HS and can throw the fb.....sure hope he and Jacob Hyde can be used by Gran to help add some much needed improvement to the offense
No!
 

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Let's not overthink this thing. Had UK had the wherewithall to line up in the I-formation with Taco Meat or Hyde as lead blocker for Kemp not once but twice vs Vandy...UK would've made a bowl this year. The UK O has some weapons if used correctly without having to resort to trickeration.
This is one reason stoops started interfering with the offense imo...there are a lot of people blaming stoops for the bad offense last year.To a point its his fault because he is the head coach after all...but when he intervene's then he isnt allowing the oc to be aggressive enough ect,needs to keep his finger out of the offense ect. He's a defensive coach stick with that ect..
Remember when dawson was hired how he didnt want to run the wildcat? Stoops allowed him to do that till late in the season... But thats just one area.. I could sit here and give you play after play situation after situation on offense where it was just bad from execution to play calling to play design...
All in all dawson didnt fit/work/bad oc? And stoops went out and hired someone he trusts. Now the team is so bad they will be lucky to win 3 games next year..

Nevermind the fact the oc had enough talent to win 8 games! Never mind it "appears" like there was a division not only between qb and players. But between (oc qb)and head coach and the rest of the team.. The only thing i can say stoops did wrong was hire dawson in the first place, and not let him go in mid season after there was a division created in the locker room.. Once the division was in place it was going to fail..
 
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I know he is going to play linebacker, but do any of you think he may be used on offense in the wildcat some.. think he could be a big weapon in some situations as he played QB in HS and can throw the fb.....sure hope he and Jacob Hyde can be used by Gran to help add some much needed improvement to the offense

Doubt it.
 

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This is one reason stoops started interfering with the offense imo...there are a lot of people blaming stoops for the bad offense last year a to a point its his fault because he is the head coach after all...but when he intervene's then he isnt allowing the oc to be aggressive enough ect,needs to keep his finger out of the offense ect. He's a defensive coach stick with that ect..
Remember when dawson was hired how he didnt want to run the wildcat? Stoops allowed him to do that till late in the season... But thats just one area.. I could sit here and give you play after play situation after situation on offense where it was just bad from execution to play calling to play design...
All in all dawson didnt fit/work/bad oc? And stoops went out and hired someone he trusts. Now the team is so bad they will be lucky to win 3 games next year..

Nevermind the fact the oc had enough talent to win 8 games! Never mind it "appears" like there was a division not only between qb and players. But between (oc qb)and head coach and the rest of the team.. The only thing i can say stoops did wrong was hire dawson in the first place, and not let him go in mid season after there was a division created in the locker room.. Once the division was in place it was going to fail..

This could be part of the learning curve of a new coach.. He never had to deal with something like this before.
I dont know if stoops will be the guy that takes us where we want to go as a program. But to not allow him a little grace to learn/correct some of his mistakes is unreasonable. He could learn from this and turn out to be a good coach. Or he may flop. But regardless what his contract is, imo it is in our best interest to give him another 2 years..
No im not accepting 5 win seasons. But i think his first oc was very good. I know some think stoops interfered with him, but i don't.

Here is why. He had towles as a first year qb. And then he was playing 3 freshman wr with a so in timmons along with a injuried blue and robinson. He had 3 good rb in heard,boom,kemp. His passing game struggled for the most part with so many new guys playing together in there first year.. So he ran the ball a lot because his best players/players who were ready were at rb. But he installed a lot of qb runs to make def. Play the qb to keep defenses off balance,and did a very good job of it..but in the second year the defense just wasnt ready to beat a very good miss.st. ga mizz tn ect. The 2 games they should have won was Fl and ul. Had both beaten but couldn't close the deal.. I personally think it was a very young team that didnt understand how to win those type of games.
Now having said all this with neal brown at oc i believe we win 7-9 games this past year.​
 
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This is one reason stoops started interfering with the offense imo...there are a lot of people blaming stoops for the bad offense last year.To a point its his fault because he is the head coach after all...but when he intervene's then he isnt allowing the oc to be aggressive enough ect,needs to keep his finger out of the offense ect. He's a defensive coach stick with that ect..
Remember when dawson was hired how he didnt want to run the wildcat? Stoops allowed him to do that till late in the season... But thats just one area.. I could sit here and give you play after play situation after situation on offense where it was just bad from execution to play calling to play design...
All in all dawson didnt fit/work/bad oc? And stoops went out and hired someone he trusts. Now the team is so bad they will be lucky to win 3 games next year..

Nevermind the fact the oc had enough talent to win 8 games! Never mind it "appears" like there was a division not only between qb and players. But between (oc qb)and head coach and the rest of the team.. The only thing i can say stoops did wrong was hire dawson in the first place, and not let him go in mid season after there was a division created in the locker room.. Once the division was in place it was going to fail..

Not a bad post until------

We had enough talent to win 8 games last year, but will be lucky to win 3 next year??? Give me a break, we will be more talented next year, AND I expect our coaches to do a much better job, even the ones returning. We should have gone bowling last year, I agree, I think there is little doubt we do next year.
 

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I know he is going to play linebacker, but do any of you think he may be used on offense in the wildcat some.. think he could be a big weapon in some situations as he played QB in HS and can throw the fb.....sure hope he and Jacob Hyde can be used by Gran to help add some much needed improvement to the offense



no and no again
 

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This is one reason stoops started interfering with the offense imo...there are a lot of people blaming stoops for the bad offense last year a to a point its his fault because he is the head coach after all...but when he intervene's then he isnt allowing the oc to be aggressive enough ect,needs to keep his finger out of the offense ect. He's a defensive coach stick with that ect..
Remember when dawson was hired how he didnt want to run the wildcat? Stoops allowed him to do that till late in the season... But thats just one area.. I could sit here and give you play after play situation after situation on offense where it was just bad from execution to play calling to play design...
All in all dawson didnt fit/work/bad oc? And stoops went out and hired someone he trusts. Now the team is so bad they will be lucky to win 3 games next year..

Nevermind the fact the oc had enough talent to win 8 games! Never mind it "appears" like there was a division not only between qb and players. But between (oc qb)and head coach and the rest of the team.. The only thing i can say stoops did wrong was hire dawson in the first place, and not let him go in mid season after there was a division created in the locker room.. Once the division was in place it was going to fail..
Not a bad post until------

We had enough talent to win 8 games last year, but will be lucky to win 3 next year??? Give me a break, we will be more talented next year, AND I expect our coaches to do a much better job, even the ones returning. We should have gone bowling last year, I agree, I think there is little doubt we do next year.
"But we will be lucky if we win 3 games"
I was being sarcastic! Point being we had enough talent to win 8 games this past year. The offense was bad for obvisious reason's. We hire a experience oc who had success and we have a lot of people thinking we will not win more than 3 games. I believe we will win between 6-7 games next year... Muschamp at usc,vandy,mizz are all teams that we have caught up with or past in the talent department.. Fl is losing a lot, but that doesnt say we win. But point being it is hard to gauge how good/bad the teams will be next year. 3 new coaches in the sec east next year. Lot of unknowns..
 
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Not a bad post until------

We had enough talent to win 8 games last year, but will be lucky to win 3 next year??? Give me a break, we will be more talented next year, AND I expect our coaches to do a much better job, even the ones returning. We should have gone bowling last year, I agree, I think there is little doubt we do next year.
Little doubt we bowl next year? Wasn't that said about this year? You see our schedule? Has our coach proven to be even slightly competent? Yet you expect them to do a much better job? A bowl is a possibility. But to say there's little doubt? 4-8 or 5-7 is as likely as us going to a bowl next season if not more likely. I'd bet a lot of money that we don't go to a bowl simply because I think there's a decent bit more than a 50/50 chance we don't go to a bowl. The SEC east will not be down like it was this year (was still pretty damn good even in a down year) and these teams are going to feast on us. I just can't really understand why anyone would think there's little doubt we make a bowl game after watching our team and god awful in game coaching/adjustments this season. Stoops did an atrocious job as far as in game coaching goes this season. To assume itll be much improved after the disaster that was this season is crazy to me. Gotta see it to believe it. Not gonna get my hopes up on something that I've seen no signs of happening. I've done that for too long dealing with Kentucky football, learned my lesson.

I just don't see why people realistically think we're going to be much better next season. If the QB play isn't improved (which is very iffy as of now, no one proven on the roster and no depth at the position, though I do think barker can be great, it certainly isn't forsure. Only thing forsure is he will be better than towles because it really doesn't get worse than towles), with this schedule, we will go 4-8. If QB play isn't improved then next season will be a colossal disaster. Hate to see people get there hopes up for something that can very likely become a disaster simply because of the variable that is the QB position.
 
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The guy played QB and threw the ball really ...I saw him live what makes you think he isn't capable...Jojo probably never played QB in his life..KD is also an excellent baseball player and I think may have been a pitcher...I am really hoping and wanting this kid to bea star

Fixed it for you. Kash is a great kid, but slow down on the local mountain boy love. He mostly ran a option offense against very poor teams in high school. I would not be surprised to see a redshirt, then a couple years before he adds any meaningful minutes AT MLB. Hell, what are the chances he gets moved to safety or jack because of size ? Did you know Richard Madison could throw a baseball 90 mph and played football to ?
 
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Kash will be on defense for sure. I really wish coach Gran would look for some way for Jacob Hyde to occasionally get on the field as a blocker. The mountain Kid Bleeds Blue and is one of the strongest players on the field. IMHO
 

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Fixed it for you. Kash is a great kid, but slow down on the local mountain boy love. He mostly ran a option offense against very poor teams in high school. I would not be surprised to see a redshirt, then a couple years before he adds any meaningful minutes AT MLB. Hell, what are the chances he gets moved to safety or jack because of size ? Did you know Richard Madison could throw a baseball 90 mph and played football to ?
LOL...and what did you fix...got $100 says he dosen't redshirt and plays st and some minutes on D...warning...have some connections in this so be careful before you let your mouth overload what your wallet can't cover. ..
 

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Fixed it for you. Kash is a great kid, but slow down on the local mountain boy love. He mostly ran a option offense against very poor teams in high school. I would not be surprised to see a redshirt, then a couple years before he adds any meaningful minutes AT MLB. Hell, what are the chances he gets moved to safety or jack because of size ? Did you know Richard Madison could throw a baseball 90 mph and played football to ?

Good ole Richard Madison, the Master Blaster. Like a 20 foot arc on his FTs, highest I've ever seen.
 

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LOL...and what did you fix...got $100 says he dosen't redshirt and plays st and some minutes on D...warning...have some connections in this so be careful before you let your mouth overload what your wallet can't cover. ..

$100 ? Not a humble brag, almost embarrassed for you, but $100 is not exactly going to break a lot of people that has, you know, a job. No, my wallet is fine, even after losing several $100 bills betting on college football, NFL, CBB, just about anything you can bet on. I do not know which makes you look more idiotic, the comment about $100 or the "be careful, I have connections on this." So, you have powers to read the future ??? You know for a fact Kash will beat out other players battling him for playing time because you know someone who works at Walmart or goes to church with someone who lives in the same neighborhood as Kash. Great, thanks for the heads up, I probably need to save my $100, I do have a water bill due next week. Thanks Wildcat brother, you truly care about your fellow UK fans.

As a matter of fact (warning I do not have any connections on this), but if Kash sees playing time at linebacker this year as a true freshman, I will have a lot more problems than being able to come up with $100 to pay a message board guru a bet because he is a insider. Because that would mean our defense will be worse than normal years and I will spend 5 times that replacing remotes and other things in my vicinity when we get gashed for 40 yard runs after 40 yard runs. So please, tell your "source" please do not promise Kash all that playing time just because he is a mountain legend, and Ky boy, if he earns it fine, but do not just give him minutes. This is the SEC, not little 1A KY high school football and he will not be lining up across from Billy Joe Wildcat from little Podunk town, KY. This is the big leagues, he needs to add weight, speed, and stamina to go head to head with UT, Bama, etc. Now he may get in against Directional U when it is 44-6, so I will not take your bet, but I will bet you,,,, say $500 he does not contribute a helluva lot his freshman, or even sophomore years. Now, I do not want you have to take out a loan or anything, just bet what you can AFFORD to lose.

Sincerely,
Your Wildcat Friend.
 

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There are big ole country boys that out weigh him by 50-60 pounds who can run faster, is stronger than he is. He has a lot of work to do (and I feel the kid will put in the work) to line up and play against the talent in the SEC (this is the cream of the crop talent wise in CFB). Kash is a great kid, bleeds blue, and will be a very productive player before his time is up at UK, just please do not put all those expectations YOU have on him his freshman year. It is not fair, there have been a hell of a lot more bigger, talented players than Kash come thru that did not play right away, not a bash on him, playing linebacker in the SEC is a very demanding job that is not easy to do, much less as a true freshman coming from 1A class of competition. Dennis Johnson had more headlines than Kash, how did that turn out ??? "OMG he has started varsity since 6th grade, he is a beast", yeah, at 1A KY high school competition.
 

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$100 ? Not a humble brag, almost embarrassed for you, but $100 is not exactly going to break a lot of people that has, you know, a job. No, my wallet is fine, even after losing several $100 bills betting on college football, NFL, CBB, just about anything you can bet on. I do not know which makes you look more idiotic, the comment about $100 or the "be careful, I have connections on this." So, you have powers to read the future ??? You know for a fact Kash will beat out other players battling him for playing time because you know someone who works at Walmart or goes to church with someone who lives in the same neighborhood as Kash. Great, thanks for the heads up, I probably need to save my $100, I do have a water bill due next week. Thanks Wildcat brother, you truly care about your fellow UK fans.

As a matter of fact (warning I do not have any connections on this), but if Kash sees playing time at linebacker this year as a true freshman, I will have a lot more problems than being able to come up with $100 to pay a message board guru a bet because he is a insider. Because that would mean our defense will be worse than normal years and I will spend 5 times that replacing remotes and other things in my vicinity when we get gashed for 40 yard runs after 40 yard runs. So please, tell your "source" please do not promise Kash all that playing time just because he is a mountain legend, and Ky boy, if he earns it fine, but do not just give him minutes. This is the SEC, not little 1A KY high school football and he will not be lining up across from Billy Joe Wildcat from little Podunk town, KY. This is the big leagues, he needs to add weight, speed, and stamina to go head to head with UT, Bama, etc. Now he may get in against Directional U when it is 44-6, so I will not take your bet, but I will bet you,,,, say $500 he does not contribute a helluva lot his freshman, or even sophomore years. Now, I do not want you have to take out a loan or anything, just bet what you can AFFORD to lose.

Sincerely,
Your Wildcat Friend.
We can bet what is comfortable for you big time beter...my "source " is about as close as you can get and he WILL NOT be RS this year because that is one of the main reasons he came here...I am not from the mountains, but have close family that is ...what is your problem with kids from the mountains? Oh, and I will be glad to take your $500 bet...good night for the wife at the poker table at Belterra:cool2::sunglasses:
 
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