Kennard: 2 and done or 3 or more?

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I'm hearing that NBA scouts are really warming to his game. Many of the mock drafts all of a sudden have him going in the low 20's. Does he stay or go? Man I hope he stays....really wanting to make a trip in from Ohio with my son to see him play at Cameron Indoor.
 

Smythe13

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Without Grayson, he will now be more of a focal point for opposing defenses. It will be interesting to see how he performs.
 

tw3301

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If he has an opportunity to go in the first round I'd say he's gone. Would really like to have him for 3 years though.
 

DukeDenver

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Man, the downside of having these great talents so visible at Duke is the increased opportunity and even expectation to go pro early. It's tough being so good.
 

jnastasi

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I don't see Luke going in the first round. Despite his ability to score I'd don't know if it's going to translate well at the next level. Not to say he won't play in the league bc he absolutely will but I think he'll struggle to defend. Maybe I'm just hoping he'll be a 4 year guy that leaves with a national title and a retired jersey.
 

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Luke stays 3 years. He had an ok year last year. Everyone who comes from Duke that has a decent year gets looked at. He stays 3 and maybe 4 depending on his junior year. He's not close to being NBA ready.
 
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Get Nasty

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I don't see Luke going in the first round. Despite his ability to score I'd don't know if it's going to translate well at the next level. Not to say he won't play in the league bc he absolutely will but I think he'll struggle to defend. Maybe I'm just hoping he'll be a 4 year guy that leaves with a national title and a retired jersey.
I'm not sold on his range for the NBA. Unlike Grayson he doesn't shoot NBA 3s distance wise in games now. He uses minimal legs on shot.
 

Dattier

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Right now, I think we get another year out of him. He's higher on the skill scale than the potential scale. There is little mystery with him, so another year makes little difference either way with his draft status: there isn't some hitch he can work out to make his stock soar, and there is little to be exposed that isn't already known to hurt his stock.
 

skysdad

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He's one Duke player I would love to see stay for 4 years. I know that's doubtful but wouldn't it be nice if he did stick around. It would also be interesting to see how his hair transforms ;) OFC
 

pisgah101

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Luke stays 3 years. He had an ok year last year. Everyone who comes from Duke that has a decent year gets looked at. He stays 3 and maybe 4 depending on his junior year. He's not close to being NBA ready.

This is how I feel 100% and like DJ said players go not ready all the time. but this is Duke and while we have had some do it too early luke is a smart player he's not going to make a bad choice here IMO
 
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I think he leaves after next season. Even with the incoming freshman next season, I think that will be the year where he's the undisputed focal point of the offense. I worry about him defensively at the next level, but the league is constantly looking for shooters so he has a chance to stick around the league for a long time.
 

nets on nets on nets

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As a Duke fan I hope we get him at least 3 years. However, Luke could be looking at his situation much like Grayson's last year. Grayson's stock was never higher than last year. Luke's very well could never be higher than this season.
 

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As a Duke fan I hope we get him at least 3 years. However, Luke could be looking at his situation much like Grayson's last year. Grayson's stock was never higher than last year. Luke's very well could never be higher than this season.
It went higher this year until the incident. Luke imo will stay another year if not two. If he works harder at his ball handling he becomes a combo instead of just a shooter. Also like stated with Grayson out it will be interesting to see what he does now as a focus point for other teams to stop.
 

nets on nets on nets

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It went higher this year until the incident. Luke imo will stay another year if not two. If he works harder at his ball handling he becomes a combo instead of just a shooter. Also like stated with Grayson out it will be interesting to see what he does now as a focus point for other teams to stop.
It has never been higher than last year. Or even after the 2015 championshiop game. He was anywhere from 10-20 depending on the month. Grayson has never looked healthy this year (minus UNLV game). I have yet to see a mock draft this year that has Grayson as a first rounder.
 

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He went from 25-30 last year to 13-20 this year and then you began to see him drop back into the 20-30 range after people started finding out about his injury.

So I would say that was pretty much higher. After Dukes pro day Luke started showing up in the early part of the second round
 

sheyduke

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Grayson will go in the first round when he decides to leave as of right now, Luke will be a second round pick simply because his shooting and teams know they can get him cheaper in the second round
 

skysdad

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For some reason I don't think two years at Duke will satisfy Luke. Heck, unc fans don't even hate him yet. They're too busy hating on Grayson. Luke wants his shot at it. If he leaves after this year next in line is Jack White and with all due respect Jack hasn't earned the hate yet. OFC
 
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sheyduke

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It has never been higher than last year. Or even after the 2015 championshiop game. He was anywhere from 10-20 depending on the month. Grayson has never looked healthy this year (minus UNLV game). I have yet to see a mock draft this year that has Grayson as a first rounder.
NBA draft .net has had him anywhere from 13 to twenty three up until the incident all year
 
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I honestly feel he stays 4 years. Just think he wants some records, and a championship or 2 or 3.

Could be wrong though, wouldn't be the first time.
 

dukehokie

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After his pro day, scouts saw what was there and gave the thought he could stay 1-2 more years and his draft stock wouldn't be affected if his play was consistent. He put up maybe the best pro day of any of our players.

I think he at least stays one more.
 

Dad2ze

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That's irrelevant. Players who aren't NBA ready have been going to the NBA for decades.

I think that ultimately Luke is back for a junior season at Duke. But if I were a gambling man I wouldn't put those chances at any higher than say, 55-60%.
I agree that players that aren't ready go. I just see Luke with a good head on his shoulders and coaches who will give him good advice on whether to stay or go. I also agree that we will be lucky to have him all 4 years
 

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One of the things that may keep him around one more year is the depth of this year's draft vs. next year's. This draft looks to be one of the best and deepest in a long time. Next year's is solid, but not as good as this year's meaning he could go higher more or less by default next year.
 

hart2chesson

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I think some of it depends on the overall experience he's having here. In other words, is he happy? Clearly he didnt sound too pleased after the Elon game w/the overall play of the team...Just taking a realistic view at one potential aspect-

OFC
 
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I think some of it depends on the overall experience he's having here. In other words, is he happy? Clearly he didnt sound too pleased after the Elon game w/the overall play of the team...Just taking a realistic view at one potential aspect-
OFC
That would be the least of my concerns. The kid looks like he loves being at Duke to me.
 

hart2chesson

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That would be the least of my concerns. The kid looks like he loves being at Duke to me.

"Looks can be deceiving." We dont know whats going on behind closed doors. Its of THE UTMOST CONCERN to me as a Duke fan. I dont think Luke would admit he was pleased w/Tatum's quick trigger last game(7-22).....

Sure Luke still got his share of shots (17), but when a freshman takes over it doesnt always make for blissful paradise w/the more established guys....We play like that and LOSE Saturday nite, Luke again will be disappointed...So will the rest of us...

OFC
 

sheyduke

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"Looks can be deceiving." We dont know whats going on behind closed doors. Its of THE UTMOST CONCERN to me as a Duke fan. I dont think Luke would admit he was pleased w/Tatum's quick trigger last game(7-22).....

Sure Luke still got his share of shots (17), but when a freshman takes over it doesnt always make for blissful paradise w/the more established guys....We play like that and LOSE Saturday nite, Luke again will be disappointed...So will the rest of us...

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Looks can be deceiving, your right but you can take Luke's comments two ways really.

Either he's speaking of other players or he's mad because he didn't get the ball more which would indicate he was unhappy and isn't buying in.

Sometimes, success brings out the worst in people not just the best.
 

hart2chesson

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Looks can be deceiving, your right but you can take Luke's comments two ways really.

Either he's speaking of other players or he's mad because he didn't get the ball more which would indicate he was unhappy and isn't buying in.

Sometimes, success brings out the worst in people not just the best.

I agree with you, and hope its not the case. It just seemed to be Jayson's team against Elon (do not get me wrong he did a lot of GREAT THINGS), but it was just perception of myself and some other Duke fan friends I watched with....

OFC
 

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I was completely fine with Jayson getting up a few more shots than we are accustomed to watching. Jayson has to get confidence in order for this team to reach its ceiling. Jayson with the ball in his hands at the top of the key, Luke on one wing, Grayson on the other should be one of the go-to sets for our squad.
 
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"Looks can be deceiving." We dont know whats going on behind closed doors. Its of THE UTMOST CONCERN to me as a Duke fan. I dont think Luke would admit he was pleased w/Tatum's quick trigger last game(7-22).....

Sure Luke still got his share of shots (17), but when a freshman takes over it doesnt always make for blissful paradise w/the more established guys....We play like that and LOSE Saturday nite, Luke again will be disappointed...So will the rest of us...

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Luke would not only not "admit" he was annoyed by Jayson's shot selection, he would vehemently defend it. There's a pretty great history of Duke players ceding to younger players where warranted.
 

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Really think this team's ceiling is determined as much by willingness to share the ball as anything else. This team will be next to impossible to defend if they focus on best shot, not next shot.
 
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hart2chesson

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Luke would not only not "admit" he was annoyed by Jayson's shot selection, he would vehemently defend it. There's a pretty great history of Duke players ceding to younger players where warranted.

Don't think it was neccessarily "warranted" that game....Great as Tatum is, he's still new kid on block and has quite a bit of time.I just see Luke as the lightning rod so far this year for this team, and believe hes the biggest difference-maker.Jayson is awesome though, and think how far along he would be if he hadnt been hurt!!??

Really think this team's ceiling is determined as much by willingness to share the ball as anything else. This team will be next to impossible to defend if they focus on best shot, not next shot.

AMEN!!!

OFC
 

dukiejay

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I don't think Tatum taking 22 shots is an issue if they're good shots. The problem against Elon is it was one pass and a 19-footer with 25 seconds on the shot clock. He probably took five or six shots that night that made me shake my head....and granted, some went in, but that doesn't mean they're not bad shots.
 

df64

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Exactly DJ. That step back 19 footer going in as the shot clock expires is a back breaker to other teams. The same shot with 20 seconds on the clock and nobody else touching the ball is another story.