Kennedy vs. Arnold

[VakAttack]

Coming into this season, I thought it was possible Gabe could unseat Kennedy, even coming off a 4th place finish. Having now watched Kennedy, he seems to have jumped a level and I think is a clear favorite if they were to wrestle head to head, and better in tournament settings as well. Not a shot at Gabe, obviously, because Kennedy is wrestling like a total dawg since the end of the season.

To the guys who see them, do they wrestle in the room? Who wins? Is it even possible that, barring an injury, Gabe gets a shot at the spot?

 

[HawkAlum2002]

Sounds like Gabe will be at 174 for the Solider Salute, so we may not have to wait too long to find out.

PK has looked great though, awesome match!

 

[MSU158]

I am a big fan of Gabe. Have been since High School. But, Kennedy has done so much to earn the spot that Gabe would have to do something really special to even consider the change. Something along the lines of a very dominant win at the Soldier and THEN a top 5ish type win in convincing fashion.

I am normally a wrestle off(s) decides it type guy, but too much has happened on both sides the last year to not give Kennedy a decent amount of breathing room. On top of it all, I don't really want to mess with Kennedy's mojo...

 

[dt21]

Gabe would really have to be taking it to PK, ncaas are a grind and iowa has a pretty good grinder at 174

 

[Anon1750875978]

Specially for ISU, there shouldn't be any question.

PK can get the major, while GA probably goes to OT.

 

[MSU158]

Specially for ISU, there shouldn't be any question.

PK can get the major, while GA probably goes to OT.

It should ABSOLUTELY be PK all the way to the Soldier. Then, IF Gabe were to beat him there, you put Gabe out against Haines, less than 2 weeks later, and say, "Impress me!" If he somehow pulls that off, you have Nebraska(Minto) the next dual after that. If he somehow pulls all of that off, then maybe you consider a best out of 3 type deal to decide. PK definitely deserves to be the man, but if Gabe can somehow run that gauntlet, I think he would earn a chance to wrestle off to finally decide it...

 

[Libertylover]

Specially for ISU, there shouldn't be any question.

PK can get the major, while GA probably goes to OT.

Pk was destroying that guy 2 years ago in one of his first matches at 174 and coming off surgery. Was totally out of shape. Unless the IA state kid has really jumped levels, Pk should major or tech him.

 

[Stick Kitty]

If Gabe beats PK say 5-4 at SS that doesn't mean too much to me. I'd have to see Gabe really take a huge step forward offensively vs other 5-10 ranked opponents. I just can trust him to ever fall behind in a match. PK you can. Proven pace and offense.

 

[Anon1750875978]

Pk was destroying that guy 2 years ago in one of his first matches at 174 and coming off surgery. Was totally out of shape. Unless the IA state kid has really jumped levels, Pk should major or tech him.

100% agree.
Gaitan is known as high risk/high reward.

 

[98lberEating2Lunches]

Sounds like Gabe will be at 174 for the Solider Salute, so we may not have to wait too long to find out.

PK has looked great though, awesome match!

One thing is certain, if Brands let's them wrestle, the winner will have done great in another awesome match!

 

[IRON HAWK]

There is NO right way/ good way that this could go other then PK holding down the spot and ARNOLD stepping in next year. IF ARNOLD was to beat him at the SST, that would open up a shEEEttty can of worms. MSU above had some good thoughts on what to do then!?!?

Problem is, NONE of them are GR8!!!! Familiarity from wrestling each other everyday, as we ALL know, plays a large roll when teammates collide. Most often, when it it is TWOOO real good kids, the match score is very low. Low scoring matches, MANY things can happen!!!

You give ARNOLD a shot at 1 or more ranked kids, that takes away from PKs chances of winning matches and getting a higher seed etc...... PK has proven himself-is IOWA STYLE, and has earned the spot of far as I am concerned. IF ARNOLD was tearing him up in the room. I am sure we would have known about it already.

 

[TheREALSpooner]

Pk was destroying that guy 2 years ago in one of his first matches at 174 and coming off surgery. Was totally out of shape. Unless the IA state kid has really jumped levels, Pk should major or tech him.

Gaitan was having his own issues. They both ended up R12 that season.

 

[Corby2]

Specially for ISU, there shouldn't be any question.

PK can get the major, while GA probably goes to OT.

Gabe just wrestled 184 his decent wouldn't even allow him to be at 174 for a few weeks

 

[MSU158]

Gabe just wrestled 184 his decent wouldn't even allow him to be at 174 for a few weeks

What did he actually weigh in at? Isn’t the descent allowed based on the actual weigh in?

 

[maxpain]

I think it’s a toss up. PK is looking better than ever this year but I think GA could match up better against Haines because of his defense.

I also expect GA will have a much better pace at 174 as I think he was a little gun shy at 184 because he didn’t want to get caught underneath.

Either way both need to stay ready because if someone gets dinged up at the wrong time like Nelson last year then that could be a deciding factor.

 

[ChicagoHawk2020]

Wouldn’t mind seeing GA in the PSU dual assuming he’s wrestling well. We’ve seen PK vs Haines multiple times and it’s not pretty.

 

[Stick Kitty]

What did he actually weigh in at? Isn’t the descent allowed based on the actual weigh in?

Yes

Wouldn’t mind seeing GA in the PSU dual assuming he’s wrestling well. We’ve seen PK vs Haines multiple times and it’s not pretty.

Totally agree with that. Who has the better big move ability. Have to favor Gabe

 

[AndreTheHawk]

Yes


Totally agree with that. Who has the better big move ability. Have to favor Gabe

If you're not willing to pull the trigger, it doesn't make much difference IMO. Kennedy's effort is always there, his big move ability not so much I suppose. (and Kennedy is still a 165 lber in my eyes - that matters as well - trying to launch bigger people doesn't always end well ).

 

[Corby2]

What did he actually weigh in at? Isn’t the descent allowed based on the actual weigh in?

He cant be at 174 until mid December. He wasn't much under 184

 

[93hawkeye]

I think over the course of a full season, PK and GA would probably be interchangeable in terms of W-L, but PK would have a higher bonus rate.

 

[Tyhawk]

He cant be at 174 until mid December. He wasn't much under 184

Rumor said he weighed in at 180 Saturday. Thought he looked like he slimmed down a little

 

[Corby2]

Rumor said he weighed in at 180 Saturday. Thought he looked like he slimmed down a littl

They wrestled Friday and he wasnt 180

 

[Tyhawk]

They wrestled Friday and he wasnt 180

Sorry meant friday & thats why I said rumor

 

[TherealGrip220]

Pk is wrestling at very high level, if GA is even with PK we still go with PK in March. I would be in favor of putting GA out in strategic matches like against Haines, it would not effect PKs ranking and give him break also it would give GA the big stage to shine.
If GA was to win big over PK ( I dont see this happening) then I agree start him against anyone in the top 10 and see what happens

 

[TherealGrip220]

They wrestled Friday and he wasnt 180

If I had to guess GA was around 177 on friday

 

[TameTurk]

174 is Kennedys spot. Arnold will have to wait his turn.

I wouldn't be surprised to see Arnold eek out a win against Kennedy. Even so, PK has earned it.

 

[FanInBlack]

Im hoping its Kennedys spot all year. One of my favorite kids in a long time. Could have bolted but kept grinding.

 

[PinkShizzle]

PK has looked great though, awesome match!

 

[Corby2]

If I had to guess GA was around 177 on friday

He couldn't be that low after being over 184 for day 2 of the NDI. You have to follow the decent plan. He can't be 174 until the Salute

 

[98lberEating2Lunches]

If I had to guess GA was around 177 on friday

He couldn't be that low after being over 184 for day 2 of the NDI. You have to follow the decent plan. He can't be 174 until the Salute

 

[Psalm 1 guy]

For anyone interested, here are the NCAA weight descent rules:

Art. 10. Descent and the 1.5% Regulation. The NCAA Weight-Loss Plan guides a wrestler to slowly descend to the desired weight class by losing not more than 1.5% of body weight per week (7 days). This 1.5% descent requirement shall never be altered or adjusted.

Art. 12. Weight-Loss Descent Requirement. Any institutionally rostered wrestler who weighs in shall not compete initially, or at any time, below the established minimum wrestling weight as identified on the individual weight-loss descent plan. A wrestler may weigh in at the certified weight class and compete at a higher weight class, but shall follow the weight-loss descent guidelines in returning to the original lowest allowable weight class

 

[98lberEating2Lunches]

Art. 10. Descent and the 1.5% Regulation. The NCAA Weight-Loss Plan guides a wrestler to slowly descend to the desired weight class by losing not more than 1.5% of body weight per week (7 days). This 1.5% descent requirement shall never be altered or adjusted.

In reverse:
174*(1+0.015)^N = max weight N weeks out

N MAX Wgt
(Soldier Salute 43 days from 11/21 = 6+ weeks)
0 174.00
(Journeymen Wrestling "Uncivil War" 21 days from 11/21= 3 weeks)
1 176.61
2 179.26
3 181.95
(GA <= 184 on 11/21)
4 184.68

 

[maxpain]

In reverse:
174*(1+0.015)^N = max weight N weeks out

N MAX Wgt
(Soldier Salute 43 days from 11/21 = 6+ weeks)
0 174.00
(Journeymen Wrestling "Uncivil War" 21 days from 11/21= 3 weeks)
1 176.61
2 179.26
3 181.95
(GA <= 184 on 11/21)
4 184.68

 

[TherealGrip220]

He couldn't be that low after being over 184 for day 2 of the NDI. You have to follow the decent plan. He can't be 174 until the Salute

He was weighed in for 184 why would he need to over 184 the second day or am I missing something

 

[Hawkapottomos Rex]

He was weighed in for 184 why would he need to over 184 the second day or am I missing something

1 lb allowance on the second day. And he could have weighed 177 on Friday, but it wouldn't have counted for anything. So he probably weighed as much as he could while allowing him to participate at the soldier salute

 

[LIV4GOD]

We've currently got the 2nd ranked 174 lber in the nation with Kennedy. Unless he performs in such a way that diminishes that then leave this senior Hawkeye alone. I don't care what Arnold does against him at the Soldier Salute.

 

[Corby2]

1 lb allowance on the second day. And he could have weighed 177 on Friday, but it wouldn't have counted for anything. So he probably weighed as much as he could while allowing him to participate at the soldier salute

He couldn't have weighed 177 on Friday. It's 1.5% per week. And Friday was 5 days after his weigh in. Nothing against you but I a wish people would stop posting things they obviously dont understand

 

[Slim45]

He couldn't have weighed 177 on Friday. It's 1.5% per week. And Friday was 5 days after his weigh in. Nothing against you but I a wish people would stop posting things they obviously dont understand

It’s obvious you know what he weighed in at against Pitt, not sure why others can’t figure that out.

 

[Peramabua]

If Arnold wins h2h and against Haines, you guys would have to be complete morans to not want him to be the starter. Thankfully none of you are making the decision.

 

[98lberEating2Lunches]

It’s obvious you know what he weighed in at against Pitt, not sure why others can’t figure that out.

We only know he weighed less than 184 lbs Friday. It's a practical impossibility to hit the exact 1.5% body weight loss on a week to week basis. Furthermore, he would need to be short of it to provide margin, so as not to violate the descent rule's limit.

Therefore, one can reasonable conclude "Civil War" a practical impossibility and Soldier Salute the earliest. Soldier Salute provides sufficient time with margin.