This dude went from golden goose to cooked goose in no time. Chip Kelly? I wouldn't be surprised to see the boosters step in and make Kelly happen.
Kevin Sumlin
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What AD in his right mind would ever agree to a $20m buyout like Sumlin has......that AD needs to be fired!!!
Was the Luster off Saban when he failed with the Dolphins? Kelly's style is made for the college game. Coaching in the NFL is completely different and very few college coaches can do it.
He's overrated as an NFL coach but he was very good in Oregon. He's perfect as a college coach, runs almost an unstoppable offense and is a fantastic recruiter. A&M would hit a home run with him.
If there are a few guarantees it would be that Texas A&M folks have oil money and ALOT of it. They also live, eat, and breathe football in that state. If they want Sumlin gone he will be gone. Money will not be an issue.
I like Sumlin, and think he gets another year. But tonight's loss increases the pressure. Losing to a recently upjumped midmajor, a team that lost 5 games this year...that's not good. A very embarrassing loss, even considering the circumstances.
I can understand why one would transfer; but can't understand why they both did. Whichever guy was the second one to do it- he would have almost certainly been the starter going forward.
I think that he decommited. Right now they are not showing a QB commit in the 2016 class.
QB transfers, an offense that keeps getting worse every year, Lamar Jackson running for 220+ on their D...
the one announced his transfer and sumlin was talking to him about coming back and the other one didn't like it so he transferred. the 1st came back but then sumlin tried to talk the 2nd into coming back and the 1st felt like he'd been lied to so he left. or that was my understanding of it. both basically felt like sumlin lied to them about the whole mess.
Bear with me because it's complicated, but here goes:
It all started after JFF left early for the NFL. Kenny Hill, a highly touted RS freshman dual-threat QB was named the starter last season until he was benched 5 games in and replaced by Kyle Allen, who was an early graduate true freshman.
Allen started the rest of the way last year and Hill left for TCU where he will have 2 years of eligibility due to his previous redshirt.
Allen entered the season as the starter with decent results until the Alabama game when he was benched in favor of Kyler Murray, a hot shot (and apparently a hot headed) true freshman legacy. Murray promptly threw a pick, went off on an assistant and was in Sumlin's doghouse.
When Allen played even worse the next week against Ole Miss, Sumlin benched him in favor of Hubenak over Murray, who was still in Sumlin's doghouse due to his antics the week before.
Murray started the next three games but was benced in favor of Hubenak at Auburn and gave way to Allen the next week against Western Carolina.
Allen started and went the whole way against Vandy and started the next week against LSU only to be replaced by Hubenak.
Enter Murray's dad who is a former Aggie QB and Texas HS coach. He got his feathers ruffled over the QB musical chairs as did Allen and both decided to transfer.
I'm guessing Sumlin hadn't seen enough out of either one to put up with the BS and probably privately said good riddance.
It's a situation you would think you would only see in little league but it made its way to P5 football.
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The talk here in Houston is that Sumlin's seat is definitely getting warm but he's safe - for now. That was prior to Kelly getting fired, though, so I don't know if sentiment has changed. Funny how a guy has one or two really good seasons and gets an outlandish (and undeserved) raise into the stratosphere and now the university is stuck with the guy for a few years because they don't want to eat a huge chunk of guaranteed money. Sounds familiar, doesn't it? Of course, we see it all the time in baseball free agent signings so it's not just college football.
Does Mitch Barnhart have a brother in College Station? At least Sumlin was somewhat proven when he got his contract.
That's a great question. They also had a starting QB transfer last year. Losing 3 QB's in 2 years is alarming. It just doesn't pass the smell test.
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We're hearing rumors down here that he's being considered for a few NFL OC jobs. Another 8-5 year won't cut it at College Station.
In a nutshell, none of them were very good when given a chance to prove themselves. The issue with Sumlin and his staff is how could they swing and miss on three pitches in a row.
10 wins at A&M? Since when is A&M a 10 win program? They rarely had 10 wins in the Big 12 but now that they're in the SEC 10 wins is the standard? Dan Mullen has maybe 1 more year to get to 10 wins at MSU before they pull the trigger on a firing. Just wanted you to see how silly that looked.
A&M will find themselves in a bidding war with Texas next year for Kelly after the Longhorns can Strong. It'll be fun to sit back and watch it unfold.
To answer your second question, in 2012.
As for Mullen, he won 10 last year so its not so silly to think he can do it again if he stays at MSU. In 114 years of playing football, MSU has won nine or more games 6 times. Mullen has done it three times in seven years. And he took over a dumpster fire from one of the worst coaches in SEC history. Still, there are some MSU fans who aren't happy that he's riding a two game losing streak to Ole Miss. That may sound silly to some folks, but that is today's college football. Sumlin is making $5MM a year and Mullen $4.25 MM. When that kind of money is being paid, expectation rise.
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10 wins became the standard at A&M in 2012? Some of you seem to be mistaking Texas A&M football for Texas football, they're not the same thing.
Unless it's a job Kelly really wants, I look for him to sit out a year and see how thing's shakes out.
You seem to be having a difficult time grasping the expectations that come with being one of the top paid coaches in the college game. Times they are a changin'. Don't get left behind.
Not sure you could reasonably expect them to, given all the controversy about the QB transfers, which could easily go from controversy to dysfunction. Besides that, how many teams each bowl season don't show up ready to play for whatever reason? A dirty open secret that no one talks about - and the reason I don't put too much into bragging right from bowl wins (outside the final 4 and title games). If team A beats team B and team B was wholly disinterested in the game, well, more power to team A, they did what they were supposed to do, took advantage of the situation, deserved the win, etc., etc. But don't tell me it means team A is better than team B, because it doesn't necessarily follow.
Other point, putting our rivalry with Louisville aside, a crowd like A&M isn't going to accept losing to Louisville because they still aren't a "name". Lose to a name, don't like it but no dishonor. I recall once Herbstreit was trying to brag on Louisville and arguing they should get some respect - he said "you have to just forget it says Louisville on the helmet." Traditionalists are snotty by nature (see, e.g., our hoops board)......
Sumlin has ZERO loyalty to whoever his starting QB is. Idk why he expects young QBs to play great every damn game, but that seems to be the issue he had the last two years.
Agreed. I suspect he could have some fun scouting various programs as he gets paid by ESPN.
for all practical purposes they are, at this time, nearly the same.
you set saban aside and I'm not so sure Mullen isn't the best coach in the SEC.
It is certainly arguable.....though I also think highly of Freeze and Bielema........
I dunno- they have the same money, facilities and recruiting base as Texas. if your history defines your future, I hate to think what that means for us.
Because Sumlin is a victim of his own success. After the Manziel years, and several phenomenal recruiting classes, expectations go through the roof. That, and as the above post points out, it's in Texas, where expectations are brutal always.
Not saying it defines their future (our ours our anyone's) only that it sets the tone for what are reasonable and unreasonable expectations. By their historical record Sumlin has done a damn fine job. It would be like us getting rid of CRB even if he had continued to win 7-8 games a year. No one blames you for wanting to improve, but do you really have room to complain?