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NittanyChris

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You can't fault CJF for swinging for the fences with these hires. They were both arguably the hottest names in the game at their position when hired. It just goes to show you that big splash hires don't always work out.

So, it is what makes the new HC hire so tricky. I agree it was time for CJF to go, but it's no guarantee that PSU takes a step forward when the dust settles. Fingers crossed! 🤞🏼
 
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Agreed. AK has been a flop! One thing that excited me when he was hired was that he said he fits his system to fit the team's talent. True with Tyler Warren, but he was a generational talent. Warren masked AK's weaknesses. Now all we have is his a gimmick laden O scheme.

Might be a bit more forgiving with Knowles, but not much more. Many say his system is complicated and takes time to adjust.......7 games is more than enough time and he should have his team in sync by now. The guy makes no adjustments......he is too much of a genius to lower himself to that :mad:
 
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NittanyChris said:
You can't fault CJF for swinging for the fences with these hires. They were both arguably the hottest names in the game at their position when hired. It just goes to show you that big splash hires don't always work out.

So, it is what makes the new HC hire so tricky. I agree it was time for CJF to go, but it's no guarantee that PSU takes a step forward when the dust settles. Fingers crossed! 🤞🏼
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You can absolutely blame Franklin for hiring Both of them.

if his plan was to keep Allar as his starter than you don’t hire a guy who’s system relies on a running QB.

and if you think you have a NC caliber defense this season, you don’t hire a guy who everyone involved with college football says that it takes 2 years to implement and grasp his system.

this was a case of Franklin being more concerned about winning the headlines than winning on the field
 
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The OC runs an offense that requires a dual threat qb and the DC runs a defense so complicated that it took until year 3 for it to work in Columbus. It is all on Franklin.
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This is on Franklin. I didn't want him interfering with in game calls too much, but it was on him to force his coordinators to make the necessary adjustments during the week when game planning. AK should be gone.....with Knowles on a short leash.
 
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I have family ties to both PSU and OSU and follow both programs, I watched JK for 3 years at OSU.

Every caution flag that I tries to raise in my earlier posts about the JK hire has come true.

His system takes 2-3 years to really take effect,

He is prone to give up big plays at the wrong times.

For all of his great stats at OSU his 4Q performance in key games to be polite left a lot to be desired.

His D thrives only when he has a good offense to fall back on which he did at both OSUs that he was DC at.

He was a 9M mistake for PSU.
 
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mh-larch said:
This is on Franklin. I didn't want him interfering with in game calls too much, but it was on him to force his coordinators to make the necessary adjustments during the week when game planning. AK should be gone.....with Knowles on a short leash.
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Franklin's the Head coach and as such he should interfere when things are going badly.
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This is on Franklin. I didn't want him interfering with in game calls too much, but it was on him to force his coordinators to make the necessary adjustments during the week when game planning. AK should be gone.....with Knowles on a short leash.
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NittanyChris said:
Many posters on this thread are posing as geniuses with the benefit of hindsight. The fact is that when these 2 men were hired there was at LEAST 75-80% approval on these boards. Probably even higher. It goes to show you that even slam dunk hires can be misses.
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I was not one of them. It is called instincts.
 
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NittanyChris said:
Many posters on this thread are posing as geniuses with the benefit of hindsight. The fact is that when these 2 men were hired there was at LEAST 75-80% approval on these boards. Probably even higher. It goes to show you that even slam dunk hires can be misses.
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It’s not the job of BWI posters to know that these were bad hires (and most I know thought AK should not be back after last year). However it was James Franklin’s job to know this … and he failed miserably
 
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NittanyChris said:
Many posters on this thread are posing as geniuses with the benefit of hindsight. The fact is that when these 2 men were hired there was at LEAST 75-80% approval on these boards. Probably even higher. It goes to show you that even slam dunk hires can be misses.
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We’re not paid 8 mil to research the candidates. It seems like Franklin missed very basic research logic that a drop back qb would not fit in a dual threat gimmick system. Franklin chose to keep a poor wr coach. Even a fair to average wr coach would have helped. It is ALL on Franklin.
 
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How can a defensive scheme that takes a player 2-3 years to master, work in a world where players transfer and will only be with a team for 1-2 years
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Because you typically have 4+ guys returning. It's tough when you don't have anyone prepared to play within the scheme.
 
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I'm really disappointed in this Knowles defense. I honestly thought we had a chance - with many returning top players - of having a top 2 or 3 defense with Knowles in charge. Right, you bet

The sad part is after we "stole" Knowles from OSU (for $3.1 million - ridiculous) and they had to settle on a DC like Matt Patricia, many of us were laughing our butts off - including myself. Plus, they lost 8 starters from that 2024 NC defense.

It was projected that 2025 would be a somewhat drop off for OSU's defense. News flash......One of the TV networks pointed out that OSU's defense has given up 41 points in 7 games - the lowest in several decades. Maybe going back to the 70s or 80s (not sure). Just ridiculous
 
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We’re not paid 8 mil to research the candidates. It seems like Franklin missed very basic research logic that a drop back qb would not fit in a dual threat gimmick system. Franklin chose to keep a poor wr coach. Even a fair to average wr coach would have helped. It is ALL on Franklin.
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Most posters haven’t been happy with a single coordinator in many years….I’d say that speaks more to the fans than the coach.
 
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PSUwolf said:
I'm really disappointed in this Knowles defense. I honestly thought we had a chance - with many returning top players - of having a top 2 or 3 defense with Knowles in charge. Right, you bet

The sad part is after we "stole" Knowles from OSU (for $3.1 million - ridiculous) and they had to settle on a DC like Matt Patricia, many of us were laughing our butts off - including myself. Plus, they lost 8 starters from that 2024 NC defense.

It was projected that 2025 would be a somewhat drop off for OSU's defense. News flash......One of the TV networks pointed out that OSU's defense has given up 41 points in 7 games - the lowest in several decades. Maybe going back to the 70s or 80s (not sure). Just ridiculous
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So what you’re saying is the $3m/yr would be better spent on portal players than a coordinator? I believe it
 
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Ludd said:
Most posters haven’t been happy with a single coordinator in many years….I’d say that speaks more to the fans than the coach.
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Large majority of posters were happy with Shoop, Pry, Diaz and Moorhead

the others have been a mixed bag.
 
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I'm no defensive expert but what I heard in yesterdays aftermath is that we went from an attacking defense to a read and react one and look at what thats provided. Franklin had to know the scheme here would change when he hired Knowles and he totally underestimated how badly it would fit with the players he recruited. Last years scheme really didnt need to change. He should have found a better DC to fit the current scheme.

As for AK, the same seems true that his scheme is built on multiple QBs not trad drop back passers. Warren clearly bailed out this team last year but the reliance this year on trick plays and headscratching calls on 3rd and 4th downs just does not compute.

I know both these coordinators are on their last 5 games here, but it cant come fast enough.
 
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