Latest developments in the Justine Damond case

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My heading does not refer to an arrest in this senseless killing of an innocent civilian by (at best) a trigger-happy, poorly trained clown with a badge and a gun. No arrests as of 7/26. Nor does it refer to a firing. Guess who is still getting his paycheck?

Nope, instead, a couple of other pieces of information have leaked.

First, it would seem that there is an allegation that, prior to the shooting, a female slapped the police car. Perhaps that was the "loud noise" that preceded the shooting. While I am hardly convinced that this pathetic attempt of trying to pass a bit of the blame to the victim is even true, I would also note that this, if accepted as true, hardly helps the perp. If the observer (presumably one or both of the officers in the vehicle) was able to notice that the person who slapped the vehicle is a female, then so much for the theory of "loud noise + mysterious and possibly armed and dangerous figure appearing out of nowhere= panic shot, and tragic accident". Moreover, while fireworks or a number of other "loud noises" could be mistaken for a gunshot, a "slap" on the bumper of a car could not. I would also note that the act of slapping a police car is hardly grounds for a reasonable police officer to even effect an arrest, let alone a summary execution. At most, a reasonable police officer steps out the vehicle, puts on a stern visage, and asks, "Ma'am, is there something that I can help you with?"

Second, and more astonishing, it turns out that, soon after the shooting, investigating officers executed a search warrant on a residence. Not the perp's residence. The victim's residence. There could be any number of justifiable reasons for that; I can't think of a single one. Does anyone have an idea? Surely they weren't looking for some mud to throw on the victim? Surely they were trying to pre-empt the defense from accusing them of failing to leave all stones uncovered. Right? Uh huh. The initial report from the news station included the perspective of a local law professor, whose expert opinion was that the search of the victim's residence was so ridiculous that it could create an "international incident". It's not really going to create an "incident", but it sure isn't going to sit well with the Australians, absent a very, very good explanation, which has yet to be provided.

Something is beginning to stink here. If the MSM wants this to go away, the international media, not to mention the Internet, is going to disappoint the MSM. Answers need to start being delivered- soon. This isn't going to fade away.

(mods- if this needs to be moved to the political thread, please do so).
 

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Rip Mr Diamond

 

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The rush to judge cops who shoot people is foolish. The rush to defend them, no matter what, is just as foolish.

Just as we learned in the Louisiana and Ferguson cases, force sometimes is justified. But often times, in others, it is not.

This is simple. A. Punish cops who do bad stuff. B. Train them better.

People try to make this out to be a "race" issue. I view it as an issue that has been hyper politicized that doesn't need to be politicized. (Blue lives matter/Black lives matter)
 

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This may develop to be the first cop shooting that I can remember where the victim is 100% innocent and fully in compliance with all police directives and not suspected of or guilty of any crime now or in the past.
 

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I just have to wonder how can a person be a cop if they're so jumpy that they shoot another human because they heard a loud noise.

I get it's a tough, thankless job. But some of these police killings are reckless and uncalled for. Yes, sometimes it's necessary to use deadly force but killing unarmed people like in this case or shooting victims in the back is inexcusable to me considering they also have a baton, pepper spray and tazer available.
 

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This may develop to be the first cop shooting that I can remember where the victim is 100% innocent and fully in compliance with all police directives and not suspected of or guilty of any crime now or in the past.
Her family's attorney did say that she was "the most innocent victim" in any case that he has ever seen. Needless to say, that drove a lot of a SJWs and BLM activists into a frenzy. I actually know of a couple of other cases where the victim was as innocent as this one, but it's not possible to be more innocent than someone who was 100% innocent. So, at the least, she is tied for the most innocent. What makes this case particularly egregious is that, unlike other innocent victims, it's not just a situation where she was not doing the wrong thing, she was actually trying to do a good thing. No good deed goes unpunished really applies to this one.
 
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It's crazy to think we had more strict rules of engagement in Iraq (post invasion) than cops have here on our soil.
 

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Her family's attorney did say that she was "the most innocent victim" in any case that he has ever seen. Needless to say, that drove a lot of a SJWs and BLM activists into a frenzy. I actually know of a couple of other cases where the victim was as innocent as this one, but it's not possible to be more innocent than someone who was 100% innocent. So, at the least, she is tied for the most innocent. What makes this case particularly egregious is that, unlike other innocent victims, it's not just a situation where she was not doing the wrong thing, she was actually trying to do a good thing. No good deed goes unpunished really applies to this one.

guess lesson here is don't call the cops, don't try and help other people. Seinfeld had it right all those years ago.
 

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The medias coverage of this has been pathetic. If the races were reversed in this situation, it would be the story of the century. It would be on MSNBC CNN ABC CBS 24/7 with all of them demanding justice, and demanding that joke of a mayor to resign.

Instead its mostly ignored. And the media wonders why people hate them.
 

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The medias coverage of this has been pathetic. If the races were reversed in this situation, it would be the story of the century. It would be on MSNBC CNN ABC CBS 24/7 with all of them demanding justice, and demanding that joke of a mayor to resign.

Instead its mostly ignored. And the media wonders why people hate them.
No fear- there's a good chance that the media will eventually make this the story of the century. That will happen if there's a conviction. If he's not over-charged, there would seem to be a pretty good chance of that, to say the least. Unless there's a reasonable explanation for what happened, an explanation that has yet to be presented. So, if he's found guilty of anything, it will be a huge story. And we all know what the spin is going to be- "cops never get convicted, so why this time? Oh, we already know why it happened this time!". We're already getting it a preview from the usual suspects- Slate, Vox, HuffPost, etc.
 

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The medias coverage of this has been pathetic. If the races were reversed in this situation, it would be the story of the century. It would be on MSNBC CNN ABC CBS 24/7 with all of them demanding justice, and demanding that joke of a mayor to resign.

Instead its mostly ignored. And the media wonders why people hate them.

Actually, it was on CNN's front page for at least two days, with it being the main headline for at least one day.
 
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This whole thing got settled on Facebook. According to 95% of people commenting on the story, all you have to do is just do what the cops say. See, they've never been killed by a cop before and they know all about it.[thumb2]

I'm currently placing my beliefs in the exact center between BLM **** stirrers and the blue light bulb morons.
 

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The medias coverage of this has been pathetic. If the races were reversed in this situation, it would be the story of the century. It would be on MSNBC CNN ABC CBS 24/7 with all of them demanding justice, and demanding that joke of a mayor to resign.

Instead its mostly ignored. And the media wonders why people hate them.
Never fear..huff post twisted somehow as to how white ppl need to understsnd their privilege. "See a white woman got shot but black ppl get shot so see how privileged you are that all of you aren't shot"
 

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The medias coverage of this has been pathetic. If the races were reversed in this situation, it would be the story of the century. It would be on MSNBC CNN ABC CBS 24/7 with all of them demanding justice, and demanding that joke of a mayor to resign.

Instead its mostly ignored. And the media wonders why people hate them.



Yep- this. And I've agreed that in some of these cases the cop WAS WRONG... so it's not like all of us who want to see justice brought down on this dumbass cop is a raging racist .
It's absolutely ridiculous the bias shown in the media. It's disgusting honestly . Cliche I know but it really is . Makes me effing sick to my stomach

Why , these days , does it have to be one extreme or another ? You either "hate blacks and supports racist cops " or "cops can do whatever the F they want so get over it " absurd

What happened to just calling a spade a spade ? Polarizing race and making EVERYTHING into "white vs black, white vs brown, straight vs gay/ transgender "

Smfh
 

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The medias coverage of this has been pathetic. If the races were reversed in this situation, it would be the story of the century. It would be on MSNBC CNN ABC CBS 24/7 with all of them demanding justice, and demanding that joke of a mayor to resign.

Instead its mostly ignored. And the media wonders why people hate them.

Well, Moron Stream Media like Breitbart, Fox and InfoWhores have overplayed the officer's religion/race considering an African Muslim capped a white lady.

THIS SHOULDN'T BE A POLITARD ISSUE.

We should all hope the cops quit killing civilians and getting away with it no matter the skin color of the dead person or shooter.
 

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This whole thing got settled on Facebook. According to 95% of people commenting on the story, all you have to do is just do what the cops say. See, they've never been killed by a cop before and they know all about it.[thumb2]

I'm currently placing my beliefs in the exact center between BLM **** stirrers and the blue light bulb morons.
Yeah, right, that's what 95% of the people on Facebook are saying. On right-leaning boards, it's 95% pure outrage. On left-leaning boards (WaPO and NYT and Slate), it's 95% outrage, combined with the usual qualifiers about how it's a shame that it took this shooting to generate outrage. The only posts that are saying "see, she should have just complied" or "see, she shouldn't have resisted" are from BLM troll types, trying to mock comments that are made in cases where the victim really didn't comply, or where the victim actually did resist arrest. This would actually be good satire, if this was a case of otherwise sympathetic looking victim who was shot under questionable circumstances, but who was still resisting or failing to comply. In this case, it's very weak satire and disrespectful to the deceased.

In any event, this is a usual tactic from you. You like to make conservatives look bad, by pretending to be one, and then posting the most over the top crap wingnut insanity. Your Facebook reference is just a more subtle version of the same old trick, implying that pro-police people are spewing this "she should have just what she was told" nonsense. They're not.
 
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Well, Moron Stream Media like Breitbart, Fox and InfoWhores have overplayed the officer's religion/race considering an African Muslim capped a white lady.

THIS SHOULDN'T BE A POLITARD ISSUE.

We should all hope the cops quit killing civilians and getting away with it no matter the skin color of the dead person or shooter.
Yes, they are doing that, and they shouldn't be. However, the Left sites are much, much worse in trying to score political points about this shooting.
 

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Yes, they are doing that, and they shouldn't be. However, the Left sites are much, much worse in trying to score political points about this shooting.

They're doing it because it's total hypocrisy from the left.

Look, there's been cases where I believe the cops were in the wrong- Oliver Grant back in 2009 was one of them. The guy who killed Walter Scott was another (really stupid on his part to run on a child support charge though). But guys like Michael Brown, Freddie Gray, Eric Garner, I don't give a crap about. But BLM worships these guys.
 
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If races were reversed in this situation, those people would have used the shooting as an excuse to riot and break into a liquor store for some free Colt 45.
 

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Yes, they are doing that, and they shouldn't be. However, the Left sites are much, much worse in trying to score political points about this shooting.

They all do it. That was my point.

I would think leftist sites would look to score more points if a white cop shoots a black person. This case doesn't fit the narrative of black-man the victim/racist white cops.

The right-wing sites likely would be interested more in this case because a white person was a victim of a black cop who is also a Muslim, which fits their narrative of whitey the victim/evil dark Muslims.
 
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They all do it. That was my point.

I would think leftist sites would look to score more points if a white cop shoots a black person. This case doesn't fit the narrative of black-man the victim/racist white cops.

The right-wing sites likely would be interested more in this case because a white person was a victim of a black cop who is also a Muslim, which fits their narrative of whitey the victim/evil dark Muslims.


Leftist morons and right wing nut jobs. Both extremes are full of idiots.

Black lives matter is stupid and destructive. Shaun king is one of the biggest instigators of misinformation and hate Alive. He's a massive fraud.

Steve bannon and breitbart are absolute idiots too. One extreme is no better or worse than the other. They are both pond scum.

24 hours news media was the start, social media is making it worse. People with half a brain believe anything they read. Whether it's trump and the Russians or Hillary and the pizza place. The mindless extremes who can't think objectively believe it all. And the media loves it because the mindless folks click click click click...
 

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Leftist morons and right wing nut jobs. Both extremes are full of idiots.

Black lives matter is stupid and destructive. Shaun king is one of the biggest instigators of misinformation and hate Alive. He's a massive fraud.

Steve bannon and breitbart are absolute idiots too. One extreme is no better or worse than the other. They are both pond scum.

24 hours news media was the start, social media is making it worse. People with half a brain believe anything they read. Whether it's trump and the Russians or Hillary and the pizza place. The mindless extremes who can't think objectively believe it all. And the media loves it because the mindless folks click click click click...

YES!!

The saddest part is each group (SJWs and RWNJs) is similar to the other in their wingnuttery and refusal to believe anything that is negative towards their side. They both believe half-truths. They both spout mis and disinformation regularly. They both receive information from **** stirrers like a Shaun King or Alex Jones ... and they believe 100 percent of it. The only difference is they hate different things.

I try to gather news from a variety of sources and if it comes from places like Occupy Democrats or Breitbart, it's not worth reading unless you want to be spoonfed a worldview. This kind of stuff is why I quit social media. I can literally see our society getting dumber by the day because some people's lives are filled with nothing but half-turth memes and click bait "news."
 

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YES!!

The saddest part is each group (SJWs and RWNJs) is similar to the other in their wingnuttery and refusal to believe anything that is negative towards their side. They both believe half-truths. They both spout mis and disinformation regularly. They both receive information from **** stirrers like a Shaun King or Alex Jones ... and they believe 100 percent of it. The only difference is they hate different things.

I try to gather news from a variety of sources and if it comes from places like Occupy Democrats or Breitbart, it's not worth reading unless you want to be spoonfed a worldview. This kind of stuff is why I quit social media. I can literally see our society getting dumber by the day because some people's lives are filled with nothing but half-turth memes and click bait "news."

QFMFT
 

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They all do it. That was my point.

I would think leftist sites would look to score more points if a white cop shoots a black person. This case doesn't fit the narrative of black-man the victim/racist white cops.

The right-wing sites likely would be interested more in this case because a white person was a victim of a black cop who is also a Muslim, which fits their narrative of whitey the victim/evil dark Muslims.
What you just posted makes sense. However, the leftist sites are giving this story a considerable amount of attention. A few of them actually have good articles about things like bodycams, poor police training, etc. The majority are disgusting examples of finger wagging and virtue signaling about how shameful and racist it is that people might be a bit more pissed off about this incident than that "hands up don't shoot" farce (which apparently pissed off some people to the point of rioting)
 
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In a somewhat comical twist to a very sad case, the Aussie media is suddenly convinced that Noor can't be charged with any crime, because he doesn't have to give a statement. If it really worked like that, then suspects would have even more incentive to plead the Fifth than they already do. Commit whatever crime you please, lawyer up, and they can't charge you! Think about much jail space we could free up with that policy.
 

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What you just posted makes sense. However, the leftist sites are giving this story a considerable amount of attention. A few of them actually have good articles about things like bodycams, poor police training, etc. The majority are disgusting examples of finger wagging and virtue signaling about how shameful and racist it is that people might be a bit more pissed off about this incident than that "hands up don't shoot" farce (which apparently pissed off some people to the point of rioting)

You could be right. I try to avoid a lot of those sites on both sides. Calls for better police training and better measures to protect officers/the public are correct. The blame game never solves a damn thing.

I understand or at the very least empathize with WHY black folks get upset when their people (especially unarmed) get killed by cops, but I don't agree with the way some of them EXPRESS their anger.

Breaking **** and setting things on fire feels damn good, but it doesn't solve anything and usually makes any situation worse. (I can attest to that on a very small, super white scale - I've broken some electronic devices/walls/doors over sports/gambling when I was younger. Felt great when I did it. Felt awful when I wanted to use what I'd broken or when it came time to pay to replace it.)
 

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TLDR; Righties say the lefties are the worst, and the lefties say the righties are the worst sh$t stirrers. Can't we all just agree anytime an innocent person loses their life vis-à-vis Cop or Con, regardless of Age, Nationality, Color, Religion, Creed, even Duke or Louisville association its wrong?
 

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It is reported that the investigating agency has issued a warrant for the training records of both the killer and of the other police officer at the scene. I am going to be optimistic and assume that this is an indication that things are being taken seriously. It appears that the investigation may now be focusing on the killer as opposed to the victim, but I could be wrong. I am not sure what relevance the personel file contains, but I would suspect that it is relevant to rebut any kind of potential defense argument to the effect of "not his fault, wasn't trained properly".

With that said, I am baffled as to how the shooter can at once assert his 5th Amendment right to refuse to explain why he opted to gun the victim down, and yet continue to draw a paycheck. He has an absolute right to plead the 5th, but I know of no right to continue to draw a paycheck while doing so. Perhaps there is a provision under Minnesota law or the employment contract that applies, that allows this refusal to explain the inexplicable combined with a continued paycheck, or maybe, just maybe, some people are thinking that this whole thing is not really that much of a big deal.
 

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It is reported that the investigating agency has issued a warrant for the training records of both the killer and of the other police officer at the scene. I am going to be optimistic and assume that this is an indication that things are being taken seriously. It appears that the investigation may now be focusing on the killer as opposed to the victim, but I could be wrong. I am not sure what relevance the personel file contains, but I would suspect that it is relevant to rebut any kind of potential defense argument to the effect of "not his fault, wasn't trained properly".

With that said, I am baffled as to how the shooter can at once assert his 5th Amendment right to refuse to explain why he opted to gun the victim down, and yet continue to draw a paycheck. He has an absolute right to plead the 5th, but I know of no right to continue to draw a paycheck while doing so. Perhaps there is a provision under Minnesota law or the employment contract that applies, that allows this refusal to explain the inexplicable combined with a continued paycheck, or maybe, just maybe, some people are thinking that this whole thing is not really that much of a big deal.

He's innocent until proven guilty, its still under investigation. He's on administrative leave until the official investigation is over.

If he is charged then I imagine his pay will stop.
 

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Well, Moron Stream Media like Breitbart, Fox and InfoWhores have overplayed the officer's religion/race considering an African Muslim capped a white lady.

THIS SHOULDN'T BE A POLITARD ISSUE.

We should all hope the cops quit killing civilians and getting away with it no matter the skin color of the dead person or shooter.
Unfortunately, the MSM has been politicizing police shootings for several years now. If there are non MSM outlets doing it, blame the MSM for starting it. The MSM created the rules, but for some reason they will hardly touch this police shooting. Gee, I wonder why?

Its sad that this story has pretty much fallen completely out of the news. But I can't say I'm surprised. This would not have happened if it was the other way around, everybody knows it too. Would still be getting 24/7 coverage of it.
 

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Yeah, but if you are under investigation AND still want to get paid, you should be helping with that investigation.

I agree, I'm not defending the shooter or the police dept. I believe his hiring was political correctness run amuck.
 

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The blatant hypocrisy in how this case is being handled by the media vs other "similar" cases is astounding , yet not surprising.
 

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A lot of people believe strongly that Muslims' religion and culture (Somalians are the worst) will never allow them to assimilate and live peacefully among us. Minneapolis basically said this is not true and we'll prove it by appointing some of them to our police department. Made a big deal of it. It blew up in their face when Noor, who apparently already had demonstrated problems dealing with women in his short time on the force, killed this unthreatening woman with no justification that anyone can see. Minneapolis is just scrambling to find a way to cover their butt. Besides the damage to the prestige of the city it is going to cost them a ton of money settling with the victim's family.
 
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