Let's Respect the Big 10: It's going to be a beast this year.

spartcat

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NU is loaded, confident and experienced, but let's not ignore how much better much of the rest of the conference is going to be. There were at least 4 teams last year that had 3 or more freshman starters, 3 of which had winning records in the league.

About those 4: (2) MSU lost one starter and gained 3 or 4 likely contributors, all bigs. They had 4 frosh that contributed big minutes last year and they are all back and likely to improve. They have 5 players 6'8 or taller, as opposed to 1 last year. The early game against Duke will tell us a lot, but everybody has them as the class of the league. Maryland lost a leader (Trimble) but already played his replacement (Cowen) as a starter last year, and shouldn't lose much if anything. Their wing forwards (Jackson and Huerter) are very strong. They have several options at center, including Duke grad transfer Sean Obi. Shooting guard is a question mark at this point. We should have an edge over them, but not one that will guarantee a win. (3) Iowa was 10-8 last year with a rediculously young team. Yes, Peter Jok isn't coming back, but everyone else is, and it's a pretty talented group. (4) Penn State was the only losing record team in this list, and their inconsistency was a problem, but the balance and athleticism from PG Banks to shot blocker Watkins could make them a threat. They have big guy depth and bring all 5 starters back, something only Minnesota can also say.

Other Ranked teams: Minnesota and Purdue. Minnesota has a nice mix of class years, tons of quickness and strength, and some important newcomers to deepen the back court and center positions. Expect wars with the rooting rodents. Purdue lost a lot in Swanigan, but they have 4 major contributors that shoot over 40% from 3 (we have none). Haas isn't the tallest player on the team, and they have some athletes coming in for depth (Nojel Eastern is the best known on this board).

So far that's 6 very challenging opponents. The Blue Ribbon Yearbook (a must have at this time of year) has Michigan and Wisconsin ahead of Iowa and Penn State, so.... Michigan lost 3 starters, including Derrick Walton, the conference's best player down the stretch. They do have a grad transfer star from Ohio U. a returning sophomore and a freshman to try to fill that spot. The most likely replacement for Zak Irvin is Kentucky transfer Charles Matthews. Not as sure who will replace DJ Wilson, but Mo Wagner should be better. We'll see. Wisconsin has Ethan Happ, but maybe in the 2nd full year of the post-Bo Ryan era, we shouldn't be so sure that everything will continue to fall in place for the Badgers. They lost 4 starters, but they do have some very promising newcomers, and contributors like Iverson and Trice will be back, probably as starters. They remain a team that is likely to over-achieve, but I'm not buying it this year until I see the goods.

I can't imagine Rutgers, OSU, Indiana, Illinois, or Nebraska being in the mix, but the IU/UI group have new coaches and some athletes, so they could surprise. Should be a much better year for the conference as a whole. Can't wait.
 

Medill90

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Good post.

OSU and Indiana are well above average in terms of talent. If the new coaches are good and can get through to their players....and have a system that compliments the talent...they can be very dangerous teams, especially the second half of the year.

My ***** about Illinois is that it never recruits to build a basketball roster. Always has an uber athlete or two, and always a lot of wing talent from CPS or downstate, but rarely over the years has one seen a system.
 

NURoseBowl

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The Big Ten is pretty much ALWAYS good. Even in a "down" year, it's still one of the top couple of conferences in America, and not just because of two or three glamour teams. Most years, even the bottom third of the conference is at least pretty solidly competitive, and quite capable of beating a ranked team on a given night. By and large, there are no off nights in the Big Ten. IMO, that's what makes the Big Ten the great conference that it is, much moreso than whether or not we land a team or two in the Final Four. I mean, obviously the Final Four is the ultimate destination/distinction, and that's where the high-profile visibility certainly is . . . but what it isn't . . . is the best measuring stick for the overall strength of a conference.
 
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BleedingPurple15

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A lot of good teams. The lower tier teams are better and will be competitive (with the exception of Rutgers and Nebraska). But no elite teams other than Michigan State. Wouldn't qualify the Big Ten as anywhere close to the best conference in college basketball. I think it will be pretty comparable to last year, though it's makeup will be slightly different.
 

scru

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Land of 10 projects Cats as 9th in conference behind Minnesota at 8. Go figure!

Law of averages approach? If 2016/17 was an anomaly, then they might be correct. Personally, I don't see it. But the B1G is gonna be tough. Judging by the B1G media days on BTN, every team is confident right now. Let's play some games and see.
 

NURoseBowl

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Land of 10 projects Cats as 9th in conference behind Minnesota at 8. Go figure!
I'd be more than a little disappointed if THAT'S how the season plays out. Only way I can see that happening is if we get hit with yet another of our seemingly patented season-ending injuries to key players. With this team's depth, though, i think we're better prepared to withstand that than ever before. No need to find out, though, you know? :rolleyes:
 

Sec_112

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Good points, SpartCat.

1) Minnesota scares the hell out of me.
2) I think Michigan is pretty undervalued. There's some nice pieces to help Wagner and Rahkman.
3) I can't offer one piece of evidence to support Wisconsin. Happ is Happ, but that's all I see. However, I can't believe for a second they are going to be the 6th, 7th or 8th place team in the league.

They didn't bring in any transfers or grad transfers, so it might tell us something about how much Gard believes in his guys.
 

hdhntr1

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The Big Ten is pretty much ALWAYS good. Even in a "down" year, it's still one of the top couple of conferences in America, and not just because of two or three glamour teams. Most years, even the bottom third of the conference is at least pretty solidly competitive, and quite capable of beating a ranked team on a given night. By and large, there are no off nights in the Big Ten. IMO, that's what makes the Big Ten the great conference that it is, much moreso than whether or not we land a team or two in the Final Four. I mean, obviously the Final Four is the ultimate destination/distinction, and that's where the high-profile visibility certainly is . . . but what it isn't . . . is the best measuring stick for the overall strength of a conference.
There is always good and then what the BIG looks like this year. It looks even tougher than usual
 

chitownUofI05

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Good post.

OSU and Indiana are well above average in terms of talent. If the new coaches are good and can get through to their players....and have a system that compliments the talent...they can be very dangerous teams, especially the second half of the year.

My ***** about Illinois is that it never recruits to build a basketball roster. Always has an uber athlete or two, and always a lot of wing talent from CPS or downstate, but rarely over the years has one seen a system.

I'm guessing you're using "over the years" as simply 2008 and later ... we obviously had a system for decades before that. However, yes, since 2008 we have not had a coach who could get his players to consistently play together as a cohesive unit. I'm fairly hopeful Underwood will be a huge improvement over Groce in that regard.
 

Medill90

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I'm guessing you're using "over the years" as simply 2008 and later ... we obviously had a system for decades before that. However, yes, since 2008 we have not had a coach who could get his players to consistently play together as a cohesive unit. I'm fairly hopeful Underwood will be a huge improvement over Groce in that regard.

Agree with that. It's been a both ends of floor issue, IMO. New day with Underwood. He has a lot of talent to work with.
 

Deeringfish

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As I look back at last season, I feel like the team that played after Scottie was ill had a totally different attitude than the team prior to that. Same players but something clicked attitude wise. With so many of the key guys back, I see that attitude carrying on for the entire season this year and improving over the course of the season because they will master this new attitude.
This is going to be a big year for the BB Cats. Hope they start hot and pack out that big arena.