It is being speculated that uncheat could possibly lose up to three scholarships per year.How does that work? Would they still be able to have 13 scholarship players on the team? To my knowledge there is not a limit on how many players you can sign in a year. If that is true how could a reduction in scholarships be a punishment.Someone please enlighten me
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That means they would only be able to pay for 10 players' fake classes and rental cars per year, as opposed to the normal 13.
Loss of scholarships are diddly. There has to be at least a post season ban for a year, or maybe two. Loss of banners would be the ultimate, but not sure if the NCAA has the balls for it.
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UNC would be fine losing 12 of their 13 scholarships, as long as that 1 remaining scholly belongs to BIG LUKE MAYE.
With the dearth of talent Roy has pulled lately, that wouldn't be considered a punishment.
They could just pull one banner, nothing else, and I'd laugh for like, say, 6 months. I think pulling a banner punishes the guilty ones, post season ban punishes kids who had nothing to do with it.
Depends on how long the loss of scholarships is in effect. One year? Yeah, Roy will just bring in big classes the next two years. 2-3? That starts having a major effect. Justin Robinson was our 11th scholarship player this season. He redshirted; Amile was injured; Obi and Vrank were hurt/not ready, and we had 7 viable players including Chase. We might play 9 at our deepest, but Roy plays at least that.
Post season ban is wrong for the active kids, but pull a banner or two, and also the Helms.
Also make Roy use all timeouts in every game. Non-negotiable.
Also make Roy use all timeouts in every game. Non-negotiable.
The next couple of month's should be interesting. To hear it from hof coach roy williams the program is clean and clear and it very well may be. He's got that idea in his head from some where. Yet the practical reasoning tell us that some kind of sanctions should be coming down. Maybe the violations all so deep and serious that the punishment should be the death penalty and if so perhaps the NCAA committee and the people who actually decide on the punishment would feel it would not be in college athletics best interest to do that. We are talking about vacating national championships and loses. The tarnishing of an icon who at one time if he decided to run for office in the state of North Carolina for any office would have won by a land side and is no longer with us to speak in defense of himself. It would be similar to stripping UCLA's championships and John Wooten's legacy for paying the great players recruited by him that have admitted to it. So what will happen? I don't really know but I feel we and fans at other programs will be disappointed in the outcome and when that happens the whole face of collegiate athletics will change forever . I believe the best that we can hope for are a couple of scholarships taken away for 2 years and a couple of years probation. a John Swofford resignation would help. OFC
It now looks likely they will have to pull at least a couple banners. Check out DevilDJ's recent posts in the Carolina Way thread if you haven't checked in there in the past couple days (some very insightful tweets as to what's going on from a former compliance officer). I know a lot of folks think UNC may skate, but I am very confident that won't happen.
Good post. I really don't see how they can get by with less than wins/banners forfeited and skollys cut. There just has been too many precedents set with schools getting hit for far less than what Tarhole tech did for 18 years. I would not be surprised to see the NCAA get sued if they let UNC off easy. There are other schools that would want their punishments reduced or forgiven if this happens. JMHO
Yea if cheater U skates on this the NCAA better get ready. It could get real ugly.
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IF NCAA doesnt make them take down a banner or two , we could always start a petition. Kinda like unc fans did after they LOST to Villinova 
I think I heard that unc is going to take the self imposed route and go ahead and take down a championship banner. With great regret The Helms Trophy national championship banner of 1924 will be lowered. What else do we expect them to do. Wouldn't that one act in itself be punishment enough? OFC
I hope banners come down and games are forfeited and they are so miserable that the THR fans begin fighting among themselves. I hope they will finally despise Dean and Roy and finally admit that Coach K is the best coach in the land, he is not a rat, Lance didn't keep the jewelry, K is the Leader of Men if he says so, a coaches job is to put the best team on the court possible even if they are freshmen, finally admit that OAD's choose not to go to UNC, that Gary-7 is a fool and they as a fan base are idiots.
Yep when all you need is a solid 8 maybe 9 man rotation to win the national championship or get close. Just look at the last several national championship teams and see how many guys got extended pt. OFC
I don't expect or really want them to receive the death penalty, and I am not so green as to believe the punishment will be what they deserve.
As far as the impact of losing scholarships, sorry, but that's still a big deal. Yeah, you only need a strong 8-9 man rotation to win a title, but it's pretty rare that every last one of your scholarship players works out. We had 10 recruited scholarship guys on our roster at the beginning of this season. Amile got injured and 2 of them rarely saw any action. Marshall was our only viable big man for much of the season. Chase and Derryck had some pretty major adjustment periods. We're being generous to say we ran 7 deep, and a lot of our weaknesses were tied in w/ that. Considering how deep Roy's rotations usually go, having only 10 scholarship players, with no guarantee that they'll all work out, is a pretty big deal on the court.
As far as the impact of losing scholarships, sorry, but that's still a big deal. Yeah, you only need a strong 8-9 man rotation to win a title, but it's pretty rare that every last one of your scholarship players works out. We had 10 recruited scholarship guys on our roster at the beginning of this season. Amile got injured and 2 of them rarely saw any action. Marshall was our only viable big man for much of the season. Chase and Derryck had some pretty major adjustment periods. We're being generous to say we ran 7 deep, and a lot of our weaknesses were tied in w/ that. Considering how deep Roy's rotations usually go, having only 10 scholarship players, with no guarantee that they'll all work out, is a pretty big deal on the court.
The odds on a trio of freshman scholarships being as good as Jah, Tyus, and Justise are 1/999999.
However, we just may have that 1/999999 next year....
Not only are those 3 rare, but if Duke was limited to 10 ships, maybe one of them isn't there. Remember, Duke lost Semi, Alex, Gbinje, and Rasheed off of that team to wind up with 8, not counting Obi. So, if Duke was originally limited to 10 going back several years, it would be pretty hard to predict last year's lineup.
After what the NCAA has done to vacate wins from USC football and Syracuse basketball, it really would be pretty remarkable if UNC's b-ball program (particularly 05) remains unscathed for maintaining the eligibility of some players (e.g., Rashad McCants) through what appears to be academic fraud. But who knows. This case does open a can of worms in the area of enforcement that the NCAA may just not want to open.
I agree, Dat, if the numbers were big enough (scholarships & years)) if would definitely hurt the program.
That said, I think that would still be a victory for UNC considering the scope of the transgressions that have went on for 20+ years.
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2-3 scholarships hurt over 3 years. But, frankly, a program like UNC can easily survive something like that with little trouble. Syracuse got hit with more and still managed to get to the final four and have a couple pretty good commits lined up (at least relative to their typical recruiting level).
We'll see how this plays out -- but I don't think there will be a middle ground, slap on the wrist punishment here. IMO, either the NCAA says that it just doesn't have jurisdiction over this type of case and hits them with nothing; or the NCAA comes in and wipes out some records, gives them a postseason ban for a year, and some ongoing scholarship issues. I frankly think that's why UNC's taken the approach they have with regard to the NCAA. I think they clearly realize that if they admit that the no-show classes are an NCAA violation, there's no way to avoid getting that 2005 title vacated and a postseason ban invited.
We'll see how this plays out -- but I don't think there will be a middle ground, slap on the wrist punishment here. IMO, either the NCAA says that it just doesn't have jurisdiction over this type of case and hits them with nothing; or the NCAA comes in and wipes out some records, gives them a postseason ban for a year, and some ongoing scholarship issues. I frankly think that's why UNC's taken the approach they have with regard to the NCAA. I think they clearly realize that if they admit that the no-show classes are an NCAA violation, there's no way to avoid getting that 2005 title vacated and a postseason ban invited.
What I mainly care about is, "Will this help us beat the crap out of them?"
I don't know about that, but Giles, Tatum, Jackson, and Delaurier will help us beat the ever living crap out of em.
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