Matt Colburn

rockycard

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Jan 8, 2007
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Petrino was ridiculed for asking him to greyshirt late in the recruiting game, rival fans and media made it sound like his career was done because of that. Today he had over a 100 yards in the WF win at IU, good for him and the Demon Deacons.
 
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marshall_dillon

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Petrino was ridiculed for asking him to greyshirt late in the recruiting game, rival fans and media made it sound like his career was done because of that. Today he had over a 100 yards in the WF win at IU, good for him and the Demon Deacons.
I am sorry. Asking an undersized 3 star kid to take a greyshirt two days before national signing day is foul. Yes, he landed in a good situation, but Bobby Petrino had nothing whatsoever to do with that. Lots of other coaches try to help kids that they drop find another spot (with a team that is not in their conference or on their schedule but still) and Petrino did not. Also, some kids who get dropped like this do wind up at an FCS school or a JUCO.

Great ... Colburn is starting for a 4-0 Wake Forest team (that will probably end up 6-6). Big deal. Wake Forest stunk last year and will likely stink next year because that program is almost never able to get a quality QB and a quality OL together at the same time. The kid probably could have gone to a program that assembles much better talent and winning tradition so he would have had a better shot at a good college experience instead of seeing a .500 record at 3.9 yards per carry at quite possibly the lowest profile P5 school (it really is between Wake Forest, Iowa State and Kansas) being the high water mark of his college experience. And yes, playing in a big time program only really matters if you play for a decent program in that conference. Playing on a losing team before tiny crowds and never getting on TV (unless ACC network games count) isn't big time football. Boise, BYU and Houston are much closer to actual big time football than Wake Forest will ever be.

You want a kid to redshirt? Tell him that when you offer him, or at least a few months before signing day. Not 2 days before signing day because a couple of DBs leave early for the NFL and you had higher rated players than you expected at the same position.

Colburn's situation worked out OK. Not great or even good, just OK. Had Wake Forest not had room, Colburn's only FBS option would have been Georgia Southern. Really football-wise Georgia Southern versus Wake Forest is a wash: Colburn would have certainly put up better stats and won a lot more games at Georgia Southern, who does have some history of putting RBs in the NFL. In fact, I remember when Georgia Southern and Wake Forest played a series with each other back when Georgia Southern was an FCS school, and Georgia Southern beat Wake Forest in back to back years, one of the things that got Wake Forest's coach at the time fired!

The only thing that makes Wake Forest a better situation is that they offer a much better education with significantly better life after football opportunities than Georgia Southern. So since 180 lb. RBs with average speed tend not to have a long shelf life in the NFL, maybe this incident will wind up in Colburn's favor if he graduates in a good program and is able to parlay that into some nice cushy job in Charlotte. If so, good for him, but again it would be an outcome that the actions of Petrino and Louisville had absolutely nothing to do with.
 

CardX

Heisman
May 29, 2001
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I am sorry. Asking an undersized 3 star kid to take a greyshirt two days before national signing day is foul. Yes, he landed in a good situation, but Bobby Petrino had nothing whatsoever to do with that. Lots of other coaches try to help kids that they drop find another spot (with a team that is not in their conference or on their schedule but still) and Petrino did not. Also, some kids who get dropped like this do wind up at an FCS school or a JUCO.

Great ... Colburn is starting for a 4-0 Wake Forest team (that will probably end up 6-6). Big deal. Wake Forest stunk last year and will likely stink next year because that program is almost never able to get a quality QB and a quality OL together at the same time. The kid probably could have gone to a program that assembles much better talent and winning tradition so he would have had a better shot at a good college experience instead of seeing a .500 record at 3.9 yards per carry at quite possibly the lowest profile P5 school (it really is between Wake Forest, Iowa State and Kansas) being the high water mark of his college experience. And yes, playing in a big time program only really matters if you play for a decent program in that conference. Playing on a losing team before tiny crowds and never getting on TV (unless ACC network games count) isn't big time football. Boise, BYU and Houston are much closer to actual big time football than Wake Forest will ever be.

You want a kid to redshirt? Tell him that when you offer him, or at least a few months before signing day. Not 2 days before signing day because a couple of DBs leave early for the NFL and you had higher rated players than you expected at the same position.

Colburn's situation worked out OK. Not great or even good, just OK. Had Wake Forest not had room, Colburn's only FBS option would have been Georgia Southern. Really football-wise Georgia Southern versus Wake Forest is a wash: Colburn would have certainly put up better stats and won a lot more games at Georgia Southern, who does have some history of putting RBs in the NFL. In fact, I remember when Georgia Southern and Wake Forest played a series with each other back when Georgia Southern was an FCS school, and Georgia Southern beat Wake Forest in back to back years, one of the things that got Wake Forest's coach at the time fired!

The only thing that makes Wake Forest a better situation is that they offer a much better education with significantly better life after football opportunities than Georgia Southern. So since 180 lb. RBs with average speed tend not to have a long shelf life in the NFL, maybe this incident will wind up in Colburn's favor if he graduates in a good program and is able to parlay that into some nice cushy job in Charlotte. If so, good for him, but again it would be an outcome that the actions of Petrino and Louisville had absolutely nothing to do with.
 

KerryRhodes

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Dec 15, 2007
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I am sorry. Asking an undersized 3 star kid to take a greyshirt two days before national signing day is foul. Yes, he landed in a good situation, but Bobby Petrino had nothing whatsoever to do with that. Lots of other coaches try to help kids that they drop find another spot (with a team that is not in their conference or on their schedule but still) and Petrino did not. Also, some kids who get dropped like this do wind up at an FCS school or a JUCO.

Great ... Colburn is starting for a 4-0 Wake Forest team (that will probably end up 6-6). Big deal. Wake Forest stunk last year and will likely stink next year because that program is almost never able to get a quality QB and a quality OL together at the same time. The kid probably could have gone to a program that assembles much better talent and winning tradition so he would have had a better shot at a good college experience instead of seeing a .500 record at 3.9 yards per carry at quite possibly the lowest profile P5 school (it really is between Wake Forest, Iowa State and Kansas) being the high water mark of his college experience. And yes, playing in a big time program only really matters if you play for a decent program in that conference. Playing on a losing team before tiny crowds and never getting on TV (unless ACC network games count) isn't big time football. Boise, BYU and Houston are much closer to actual big time football than Wake Forest will ever be.

You want a kid to redshirt? Tell him that when you offer him, or at least a few months before signing day. Not 2 days before signing day because a couple of DBs leave early for the NFL and you had higher rated players than you expected at the same position.

Colburn's situation worked out OK. Not great or even good, just OK. Had Wake Forest not had room, Colburn's only FBS option would have been Georgia Southern. Really football-wise Georgia Southern versus Wake Forest is a wash: Colburn would have certainly put up better stats and won a lot more games at Georgia Southern, who does have some history of putting RBs in the NFL. In fact, I remember when Georgia Southern and Wake Forest played a series with each other back when Georgia Southern was an FCS school, and Georgia Southern beat Wake Forest in back to back years, one of the things that got Wake Forest's coach at the time fired!

The only thing that makes Wake Forest a better situation is that they offer a much better education with significantly better life after football opportunities than Georgia Southern. So since 180 lb. RBs with average speed tend not to have a long shelf life in the NFL, maybe this incident will wind up in Colburn's favor if he graduates in a good program and is able to parlay that into some nice cushy job in Charlotte. If so, good for him, but again it would be an outcome that the actions of Petrino and Louisville had absolutely nothing to do with.



Yaaaaaaawwwwwwnnnnnnnnnnnnn
 

CardinalHaze

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I am sorry. Asking an undersized 3 star kid to take a greyshirt two days before national signing day is foul. Yes, he landed in a good situation, but Bobby Petrino had nothing whatsoever to do with that. Lots of other coaches try to help kids that they drop find another spot (with a team that is not in their conference or on their schedule but still) and Petrino did not. Also, some kids who get dropped like this do wind up at an FCS school or a JUCO.

Great ... Colburn is starting for a 4-0 Wake Forest team (that will probably end up 6-6). Big deal. Wake Forest stunk last year and will likely stink next year because that program is almost never able to get a quality QB and a quality OL together at the same time. The kid probably could have gone to a program that assembles much better talent and winning tradition so he would have had a better shot at a good college experience instead of seeing a .500 record at 3.9 yards per carry at quite possibly the lowest profile P5 school (it really is between Wake Forest, Iowa State and Kansas) being the high water mark of his college experience. And yes, playing in a big time program only really matters if you play for a decent program in that conference. Playing on a losing team before tiny crowds and never getting on TV (unless ACC network games count) isn't big time football. Boise, BYU and Houston are much closer to actual big time football than Wake Forest will ever be.

You want a kid to redshirt? Tell him that when you offer him, or at least a few months before signing day. Not 2 days before signing day because a couple of DBs leave early for the NFL and you had higher rated players than you expected at the same position.

Colburn's situation worked out OK. Not great or even good, just OK. Had Wake Forest not had room, Colburn's only FBS option would have been Georgia Southern. Really football-wise Georgia Southern versus Wake Forest is a wash: Colburn would have certainly put up better stats and won a lot more games at Georgia Southern, who does have some history of putting RBs in the NFL. In fact, I remember when Georgia Southern and Wake Forest played a series with each other back when Georgia Southern was an FCS school, and Georgia Southern beat Wake Forest in back to back years, one of the things that got Wake Forest's coach at the time fired!

The only thing that makes Wake Forest a better situation is that they offer a much better education with significantly better life after football opportunities than Georgia Southern. So since 180 lb. RBs with average speed tend not to have a long shelf life in the NFL, maybe this incident will wind up in Colburn's favor if he graduates in a good program and is able to parlay that into some nice cushy job in Charlotte. If so, good for him, but again it would be an outcome that the actions of Petrino and Louisville had absolutely nothing to do with.

It could not have worked out any better for this young man.
You holier-than-thou ideologues need to get a life. This young man is living his dream by competing for a FBS program that has every opportunity to excell at a national level. It's up to them to seize the moment.
I can only wish him the best and hope he enjoys living his dream.
 
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CardFanBudMan

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Jul 11, 2006
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I am sorry. Asking an undersized 3 star kid to take a greyshirt two days before national signing day is foul. Yes, he landed in a good situation, but Bobby Petrino had nothing whatsoever to do with that. Lots of other coaches try to help kids that they drop find another spot (with a team that is not in their conference or on their schedule but still) and Petrino did not. Also, some kids who get dropped like this do wind up at an FCS school or a JUCO.

Great ... Colburn is starting for a 4-0 Wake Forest team (that will probably end up 6-6). Big deal. Wake Forest stunk last year and will likely stink next year because that program is almost never able to get a quality QB and a quality OL together at the same time. The kid probably could have gone to a program that assembles much better talent and winning tradition so he would have had a better shot at a good college experience instead of seeing a .500 record at 3.9 yards per carry at quite possibly the lowest profile P5 school (it really is between Wake Forest, Iowa State and Kansas) being the high water mark of his college experience. And yes, playing in a big time program only really matters if you play for a decent program in that conference. Playing on a losing team before tiny crowds and never getting on TV (unless ACC network games count) isn't big time football. Boise, BYU and Houston are much closer to actual big time football than Wake Forest will ever be.

You want a kid to redshirt? Tell him that when you offer him, or at least a few months before signing day. Not 2 days before signing day because a couple of DBs leave early for the NFL and you had higher rated players than you expected at the same position.

Colburn's situation worked out OK. Not great or even good, just OK. Had Wake Forest not had room, Colburn's only FBS option would have been Georgia Southern. Really football-wise Georgia Southern versus Wake Forest is a wash: Colburn would have certainly put up better stats and won a lot more games at Georgia Southern, who does have some history of putting RBs in the NFL. In fact, I remember when Georgia Southern and Wake Forest played a series with each other back when Georgia Southern was an FCS school, and Georgia Southern beat Wake Forest in back to back years, one of the things that got Wake Forest's coach at the time fired!

The only thing that makes Wake Forest a better situation is that they offer a much better education with significantly better life after football opportunities than Georgia Southern. So since 180 lb. RBs with average speed tend not to have a long shelf life in the NFL, maybe this incident will wind up in Colburn's favor if he graduates in a good program and is able to parlay that into some nice cushy job in Charlotte. If so, good for him, but again it would be an outcome that the actions of Petrino and Louisville had absolutely nothing to do with.

Thanks, Mr. Colburn.

 
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zipp_rivals

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If U of L hadn't offered the kid, he would have had zero--ZERO--big time offers. No one except the Wake Forests and Georgia Southerns of the world were beating down his door as a high school senior. Marshall was probably his best offer to play football.

Hard to understand how Petrino was messing over the kid. And glad things are going well for him at Wake where he's getting a good education. That's probably a lot more important to his future...
 

tkdcoach

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You want a kid to redshirt? Tell him that when you offer him, or at least a few months before signing day. Not 2 days before signing day because a couple of DBs leave early for the NFL and you had higher rated players than you expected at the same position.

Dude, reality. A college coach would need to be a swami with 100% foresight or a saint or both to meet all your expectations. If you imagine that's how Alabama or any number of other schools are able to conduct themselves you need to get back to the drawing board and develop a better understanding of college football recruiting.

That's even if all of your characterizations about the chain of events (including behind the scenes) were true. Which is very much in question.
 
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PushupMan

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I am sorry. Asking an undersized 3 star kid to take a greyshirt two days before national signing day is foul. Yes, he landed in a good situation, but Bobby Petrino had nothing whatsoever to do with that. Lots of other coaches try to help kids that they drop find another spot (with a team that is not in their conference or on their schedule but still) and Petrino did not. Also, some kids who get dropped like this do wind up at an FCS school or a JUCO.

Based on this paragraph, I'm not really all that sure you know what a greyshirt is.

You state that we offered him a greyshirt (we did) and then you state that we dropped him (we categorically did NOT). A greyshirt is an opportunity to join the team ON FULL SCHOLARSHIP five months later than originally planned (January instead of August). His only other FBS option besides Wake Forest and Georgia Southern was STILL Louisville.

It is regrettable that the change had to be made so late in the process, but to classify it as "foul" is absolutely ridiculous. Coburn's coach pitched a hissy fit about it because he thought Louisville was not on the same level as Clemson or South Carolina, and therefore should not be asking a player to greyshirt. Turns out we actually ARE on Clemson's level, and apparently quite a few levels above South Carolina.
 
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Wordless65

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I am sorry. Asking an undersized 3 star kid to take a greyshirt two days before national signing day is foul. Yes, he landed in a good situation, but Bobby Petrino had nothing whatsoever to do with that. Lots of other coaches try to help kids that they drop find another spot (with a team that is not in their conference or on their schedule but still) and Petrino did not. Also, some kids who get dropped like this do wind up at an FCS school or a JUCO.

Great ... Colburn is starting for a 4-0 Wake Forest team (that will probably end up 6-6). Big deal. Wake Forest stunk last year and will likely stink next year because that program is almost never able to get a quality QB and a quality OL together at the same time. The kid probably could have gone to a program that assembles much better talent and winning tradition so he would have had a better shot at a good college experience instead of seeing a .500 record at 3.9 yards per carry at quite possibly the lowest profile P5 school (it really is between Wake Forest, Iowa State and Kansas) being the high water mark of his college experience. And yes, playing in a big time program only really matters if you play for a decent program in that conference. Playing on a losing team before tiny crowds and never getting on TV (unless ACC network games count) isn't big time football. Boise, BYU and Houston are much closer to actual big time football than Wake Forest will ever be.

You want a kid to redshirt? Tell him that when you offer him, or at least a few months before signing day. Not 2 days before signing day because a couple of DBs leave early for the NFL and you had higher rated players than you expected at the same position.

Colburn's situation worked out OK. Not great or even good, just OK. Had Wake Forest not had room, Colburn's only FBS option would have been Georgia Southern. Really football-wise Georgia Southern versus Wake Forest is a wash: Colburn would have certainly put up better stats and won a lot more games at Georgia Southern, who does have some history of putting RBs in the NFL. In fact, I remember when Georgia Southern and Wake Forest played a series with each other back when Georgia Southern was an FCS school, and Georgia Southern beat Wake Forest in back to back years, one of the things that got Wake Forest's coach at the time fired!

The only thing that makes Wake Forest a better situation is that they offer a much better education with significantly better life after football opportunities than Georgia Southern. So since 180 lb. RBs with average speed tend not to have a long shelf life in the NFL, maybe this incident will wind up in Colburn's favor if he graduates in a good program and is able to parlay that into some nice cushy job in Charlotte. If so, good for him, but again it would be an outcome that the actions of Petrino and Louisville had absolutely nothing to do with.
So start at Wake or be lost on the depth chart at Louisville thus probably transferring anyway.