McDonald's All-American Game

OldasdirtDevil

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And how long before a couple of players get tangled up in the game, and they bring up Grayson Allen. I'd be willing to bet they'll figure out a way to work him into the conversation.

It's actually been awhile since I've been able to watch this game and enjoy it. It's just run 80 or 90 feet and dunk (or try to), or throw up a long 3...to show off your range, or lack of one. Still, it gives me a chance to see a future Dukie.

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shicashicu

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Other than the fact that I get to lay my eyes on future Dukies, I'm really pretty tired of these All Star games, and frankly, having a bunch of Burger Boys is meaning less and less to me with the frustration many of them cause us, and the fact that I am starting to want some non burger boys that will stick around for 3-4 years, grow and develop and create a real team with chemistry.

To me, I'm starting to put much more stock in tough guys that fly under the radar, and play with heart and something to prove over all these super talented potential guys that are gonna be great in the league one day, but don't have to heart, toughness or humility to come in and put in the work to keep improving for the one year they are in college.

While I love having top recruiting classes and hearing our future players talked about all the time, I'm really kinda sick of them right now...Give me a top 50-75 hard working beast on the boards any day over another Parker or Bolden type that's claim to fame just might be being a McDonald's AA.
 

skysdad

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^..... I didn't agree but followed..... All the way up until the Parker comment!!!!???? That kid is a damn saint, who ALWAYS gave it 110!!!! Couldnt be more proud Jabari reps Duke



Having a great year as a pro. Parker's a great young man. More than a basketball player. We should be so proud to have him as a Dukie. OFC
 

timo0402

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Other than the fact that I get to lay my eyes on future Dukies, I'm really pretty tired of these All Star games, and frankly, having a bunch of Burger Boys is meaning less and less to me with the frustration many of them cause us, and the fact that I am starting to want some non burger boys that will stick around for 3-4 years, grow and develop and create a real team with chemistry.

To me, I'm starting to put much more stock in tough guys that fly under the radar, and play with heart and something to prove over all these super talented potential guys that are gonna be great in the league one day, but don't have to heart, toughness or humility to come in and put in the work to keep improving for the one year they are in college.

While I love having top recruiting classes and hearing our future players talked about all the time, I'm really kinda sick of them right now...Give me a top 50-75 hard working beast on the boards any day over another Parker or Bolden type that's claim to fame just might be being a McDonald's AA.
Wow....were we watching the same Parker when he was here or were you referring to Tony Parker at ucla?
 

shicashicu

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I must clarify, I love Jabari, and he was really good for Duke but he wasn't a tough player, was a complete liability on defense, and didn't help team chemistry...I know some of that is a team construction issue, but to continue with my point; Parker's team lost one of the most embarrassing losses in our programs history because he had no clue how to step up when times got tough.

I said that these guys will end up reaching their potential like he is in the NBA now, but that simply does not help Duke. I wasnt knocking Jabari, he just became one of my scapegoat's to make my point that these ultra talented kids like him normally hurt Dukes chemistry more than they help it, and then they are gone.

The 2015 team was THE PERFECT group of freshman, all hand picked by the basketball God's and all dropped onto Duke's roster and just isn't likely to happen again, as bad as we want it to.

We need more of the hardest working guys on the court like Duke was known for, most of K's career. We were so damn hard to beat cause every player on the court with a Duke jersey on were gonna slap the court as a unit, body you up as a unit, shut you down and just play too damn hard for most teams to hang with. We have not been the hardest working team much lately and that's cause of the weak or inexperienced mentality of most of these freshman.

My frustration with this season is bringing this feeling out more than normal, but since the one and done era we've seen Duke less and less be the hardest playing team on the court and that's the one thing I cannot accept. If we lose playing our hardest it's always OK, I just want these guys to play their asses off again.
 
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timo0402

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I must clarify, I love Jabari, and he was really good for Duke but he wasn't a tough player, was a complete liability on defense, and didn't help team chemistry...I know some of that is a team construction issue, but to continue with my point; Parker's team lost one of the most embarrassing losses in our programs history because he had no clue how to step up when times got tough.

I said that these guys will end up reaching their potential like he is in the NBA now, but that simply does not help Duke. I wasnt knocking Jabari, he just became one of my scapegoat's to make my point that these ultra talented kids like him normally hurt Dukes chemistry more than they help it, and then they are gone.

The 2015 team was THE PERFECT group of freshman, all hand picked by the basketball God's and all dropped onto Duke's roster and just isn't likely to happen again, as bad as we want it to.

We need more of the hardest working guys on the court like Duke was known for, most of K's career. We were so damn hard to beat cause every player on the court with a Duke jersey on were gonna slap the court as a unit, body you up as a unit, shut you down and just play too damn hard for most teams to hang with. We have not been the hardest working team much lately and that's cause of the weak or inexperienced mentality of most of these freshman.

My frustration with this season is bringing this feeling out more than normal, but since the one and done era we've seen Duke less and less be the hardest playing team on the court and that's the one thing I cannot accept. If we lose playing our hardest it's always OK, I just want these guys to play their asses off again.
Selective memory. Do not let the tourney loss, which yes sucked mightily ruin what Jabari was or how tough he was. That team had some major flaws and we nearly won the ACC tourney bc of him. He and Rodney were a fantastic duo- unfortunately we lacked any sort of post presence or consistent pg play. The latter was one of the major motivators for Quinn immediately following that season. The NCAA tourney is the ultimate prize but it isn't he only barometer of how tough a kid is. That team couldn't get a stop to save their life, especially when it counted...but like you said you're blaming him and making him the scapegoat which isn't at all fair- kid was a first team all American.
 

shicashicu

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I think you are arguing with me yet we almost certainly feel the same way...The OaD era has seen some incredible Frosh come thru Duke and were arguably recruiting better than we ever have right now.

BUT, our chemistry, how hard we play on average, and our overall team mental toughness has taken a major hit because, as amazing as these recruits are, they simply aren't here long enough to build those things because once they start to realize what it means and what it takes to win at Duke, they are on their way to the NBA and the next crop is coming in trying to learn what it takes and what it means to win at Duke all over again. That's all I'm saying, Parker was amazing but he was not here long enough to develop into the team player that he would have, in turn helping our chemistry.
 
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DukeDenver

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Jabari didn't help team chemistry?? That's news to me
I don't think we had the right team around Jabari to have good chemistry. Hood and Parker with no good defensive big man and spotty PG play is a bad combo.

Jabari and Rodney both gave max effort, but neither was rugged enough or skilled enough on defense to get stops. If you put Sheldon Williams, Duhon and Dante Jones with those two, now you've got a killer squad. Even having Mason, Dockery and Nate James in there would have made that a top 3-4 team.
 
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BOOGIEMAN1914

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that hood and parker team would have really benefited in a change in defensive philosophy like the 2010 and 2015 teams got
 
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timo0402

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You mean guys like Quinn Cook, Marshall Plumlee, Amile Jefferson, Matt Jones, Grayson Allen, Luke Kennard, Jack White, Vrank, Javin....just to pull from VERY recent memory?
Ironically, the people bitching about the OAD and how it affects team chemistry for the negative, heap praise on the only Duke team EVER to have multiple one and done players- 2015. Conveniently because we won it all. Austin Rivers gets blamed for his team, Jabari is now somehow, despite being a first team all american getting blamed for his team, and i'm sure in a few years we'll blame Brandon Ingram.

This of course is the first class of freshman that we actually landed multiple sure fire OAD guys- even 2015 those guys other than Jah weren't supposed to go- they played into that.

I cannot stress enough the patience that is required in this situation. Let these kids have a chance. People were bitching in 2015 around this time, we lost a few in a row, we dismissed sheed, we were down to 8 guys. It worked out. No guarantees that this team will do anything near that but no team has had anywhere near the adversity to deal with, not even close. Don't forget that Jabari team, lost K's mojo after his brother passed- K even said he let the team down that year. There is SOOOO much that goes into this.
 

dukephysics

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Ironically, the people bitching about the OAD and how it affects team chemistry for the negative, heap praise on the only Duke team EVER to have multiple one and done players- 2015. Conveniently because we won it all. Austin Rivers gets blamed for his team, Jabari is now somehow, despite being a first team all american getting blamed for his team, and i'm sure in a few years we'll blame Brandon Ingram.
I personally think K is doing it EXACTLY right. THR folks like to talk about Duke as a revolving door, but as you said, we generally have 1 player who is OAD. K brings these guys in to compliment teams with established veterans and I think this is the absolute best way to do it. I don't want the Kentucky system where everyone is young. I don't want the UNC system where you have to luck into having multiple talented guys all stick around too long simultaneously. Have great freshmen coupled with talented veterans. Ingram was certainly not the problem last year - it was lack of enough quality veterans. We have both this year - when we are healthy.
 

nets on nets on nets

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Other than the fact that I get to lay my eyes on future Dukies, I'm really pretty tired of these All Star games, and frankly, having a bunch of Burger Boys is meaning less and less to me with the frustration many of them cause us, and the fact that I am starting to want some non burger boys that will stick around for 3-4 years, grow and develop and create a real team with chemistry.

To me, I'm starting to put much more stock in tough guys that fly under the radar, and play with heart and something to prove over all these super talented potential guys that are gonna be great in the league one day, but don't have to heart, toughness or humility to come in and put in the work to keep improving for the one year they are in college.

While I love having top recruiting classes and hearing our future players talked about all the time, I'm really kinda sick of them right now...Give me a top 50-75 hard working beast on the boards any day over another Parker or Bolden type that's claim to fame just might be being a McDonald's AA.
Do you also tell kids to get off of your lawn when they are playing on it???
 

topps coach

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It's funny how the longer the season rolls on, folks start forgetting all the pitfalls at the beginning. The less a TEAM plays together, the worse the affects. We haven't played together much, at all.
Think we have had one game this year with expected starters.
 

gottagonow

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Other than the fact that I get to lay my eyes on future Dukies, I'm really pretty tired of these All Star games, and frankly, having a bunch of Burger Boys is meaning less and less to me with the frustration many of them cause us, and the fact that I am starting to want some non burger boys that will stick around for 3-4 years, grow and develop and create a real team with chemistry.

To me, I'm starting to put much more stock in tough guys that fly under the radar, and play with heart and something to prove over all these super talented potential guys that are gonna be great in the league one day, but don't have to heart, toughness or humility to come in and put in the work to keep improving for the one year they are in college.

While I love having top recruiting classes and hearing our future players talked about all the time, I'm really kinda sick of them right now...Give me a top 50-75 hard working beast on the boards any day over another Parker or Bolden type that's claim to fame just might be being a McDonald's AA.
I think big time basketball programs and coaches recruit big time players which are the McDe AA players. Sometime they work out great as it did for us in 2015 and sometimes possibly not so well but that jury is still out isn't it.
 
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HeLooks2MuchLikeDave

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I personally think K is doing it EXACTLY right. THR folks like to talk about Duke as a revolving door, but as you said, we generally have 1 player who is OAD. K brings these guys in to compliment teams with established veterans and I think this is the absolute best way to do it. I don't want the Kentucky system where everyone is young. I don't want the UNC system where you have to luck into having multiple talented guys all stick around too long simultaneously. Have great freshmen coupled with talented veterans. Ingram was certainly not the problem last year - it was lack of enough quality veterans. We have both this year - when we are healthy.
The UNC system isn't luck. Roy purposely coaches in a way that hurts his players' draft stock. It's genius actually...