Michigan and Missouri looked good. Really like the Tenn offensive scheme.

[PSU Soupy 615]

Michigan and Missouri both were running the offense that I thought that I would see from PSU in the "preseason" games. Missouri running back Hardy is a tank and their O Line good at making creases in the DL. The Missouri Oline beat up what was supposed to be a pretty good D Line in South Carolina.

Michigan's O Line decimated Nebraskas DL on National TV getting 75% of their yards on the ground, and then running play action just enough to keep the safties back respecting the pass. Underwood looks great throwing the ball even when it does not go anywhere near where a U of M receiver is...... He zips the ball all over the field, but needs to work on his accuracy and some of his decision making. Michigan has made it easy for him with a really strong OL.

With the discussions around Allar, I watched 15 minutes of the Tennessee offense (against UAB) so not a great opponent, but Allar and Singleton too would thrive in an offense where the field gets spread forcing the defense across the field and then running against a small number in the box or running rub routes against man to man coverage. UT gets a lot of man because a zone would have too many gaps with the WRs starting near the sidelines on every play. If you do not get numbers on the WRs they throw a screen and try to block the DBs for a big play. You need a QB that has a strong arm and you need RBs that are either homerun hitters or good runners through contact to do well against the limited defenders in the box.

Hoping that we do try to spread out Oregon. Make them cover the field.....run outside zone......see some of the screen game that we used last year so well.

Not sure why, but I feel pretty confident this coming week.

 

[BCS PSU]

Michigan and Missouri both were running the offense that I thought that I would see from PSU in the "preseason" games. Missouri running back Hardy is a tank and their O Line good at making creases in the DL. The Missouri Oline beat up what was supposed to be a pretty good D Line in South Carolina.

Michigan's O Line decimated Nebraskas DL on National TV getting 75% of their yards on the ground, and then running play action just enough to keep the safties back respecting the pass. Underwood looks great throwing the ball even when it does not go anywhere near where a U of M receiver is...... He zips the ball all over the field, but needs to work on his accuracy and some of his decision making. Michigan has made it easy for him with a really strong OL.

With the discussions around Allar, I watched 15 minutes of the Tennessee offense (against UAB) so not a great opponent, but Allar and Singleton too would thrive in an offense where the field gets spread forcing the defense across the field and then running against a small number in the box or running rub routes against man to man coverage. UT gets a lot of man because a zone would have too many gaps with the WRs starting near the sidelines on every play. If you do not get numbers on the WRs they throw a screen and try to block the DBs for a big play. You need a QB that has a strong arm and you need RBs that are either homerun hitters or good runners through contact to do well against the limited defenders in the box.

Hoping that we do try to spread out Oregon. Make them cover the field.....run outside zone......see some of the screen game that we used last year so well.

Not sure why, but I feel pretty confident this coming week.

I think that Miami’s offense is an even better example of what PSU should be doing, because Allar and Beck basically are the same type of qb.

 

[KingLando]

I think that Miami’s offense is an even better example of what PSU should be doing, because Allar and Beck basically are the same type of qb.

Correct...people may like a certain style of offense but Michigan nor Missouri run an offense that we sboild be running. We don't run a style of offense we should be running

 

[Bvillebaron]

Correct...people may like a certain style of offense but Michigan nor Missouri run an offense that we sboild be running. We don't run a style of offense we should be running

Nice to see all the armchair OCs out in full force today. Keep up the “good” work.

 

[Nitt1300]

Nice to see all the armchair OCs out in full force today. Keep up the “good” work.

I'm sure most of them have turned down some lucrative OC job offers while waiting on a good HC job.

 

[PSUFTG]

Michigan and Nebraska took turns seeing who could do the better job of losing the game. Nebraska "won"

If not for Nebraska insisting on out-doing Michigan, Biff Poggi (and their staff) asleep at the wheel handling of the end of the first half would go down as one of the most brain dead coaching fubars of the season.
And the Nebraska staff? WTH are they doing there? They have become the Jon Smith/Bobby Williams era Spartans

 

[PSU Soupy 615]

Nice to see all the armchair OCs out in full force today. Keep up the “good” work.

BB sorry to bring up a topic discussing Penn State Football on a Penn State Football Message Board.

Back on topic: Who is better the Go Go's or The Bangles? Please support your answer.

 

[Nitt1300]

BB sorry to bring up a topic discussing Penn State Football on a Penn State Football Message Board.

Back on topic: Who is better the Go Go's or The Bangles? Please support your answer.

 

[BobPSU92]

Nice to see all the armchair OCs out in full force today. Keep up the “good” work.

“work”

 

[Ludd]

Michigan and Missouri both were running the offense that I thought that I would see from PSU in the "preseason" games. Missouri running back Hardy is a tank and their O Line good at making creases in the DL. The Missouri Oline beat up what was supposed to be a pretty good D Line in South Carolina.

Michigan's O Line decimated Nebraskas DL on National TV getting 75% of their yards on the ground, and then running play action just enough to keep the safties back respecting the pass. Underwood looks great throwing the ball even when it does not go anywhere near where a U of M receiver is...... He zips the ball all over the field, but needs to work on his accuracy and some of his decision making. Michigan has made it easy for him with a really strong OL.

With the discussions around Allar, I watched 15 minutes of the Tennessee offense (against UAB) so not a great opponent, but Allar and Singleton too would thrive in an offense where the field gets spread forcing the defense across the field and then running against a small number in the box or running rub routes against man to man coverage. UT gets a lot of man because a zone would have too many gaps with the WRs starting near the sidelines on every play. If you do not get numbers on the WRs they throw a screen and try to block the DBs for a big play. You need a QB that has a strong arm and you need RBs that are either homerun hitters or good runners through contact to do well against the limited defenders in the box.

Hoping that we do try to spread out Oregon. Make them cover the field.....run outside zone......see some of the screen game that we used last year so well.

Not sure why, but I feel pretty confident this coming week.

Missouri’s best plays were South Carolina penalties.

 

[rigi19040]

Michigan and Nebraska took turns seeing who could do the better job of losing the game. Nebraska "won"

If not for Nebraska insisting on out-doing Michigan, Biff Poggi (and their staff) asleep at the wheel handling of the end of the first half would go down as one of the most brain dead coaching fubars of the season.
And the Nebraska staff? WTH are they doing there? They have become the Jon Smith/Bobby Williams era Spartans

Rhule is 0 for his entire career vs the top 20

 

[rigi19040]

The star at Missouri is the rb, not pribula.

 

[rigi19040]

Correct...people may like a certain style of offense but Michigan nor Missouri run an offense that we sboild be running. We don't run a style of offense we should be running

Singleton would run into the backs of the Missouri OL.

 

[rigi19040]

I'm sure most of them have turned down some lucrative OC job offers while waiting on a good HC job.

We are not comparing the fan's offense system to the psu offense. We are comparing top 20 offensive systems to psu offense and there is no comparison. Other teams move the ball efficiently and psu runs three plays and punts. Psu only cares about explosive plays but they can't move the chains 3rd and 1 vs a good team. The point that goes over our staffs head is being efficient will give the offense more opportunities for explosive plays.

 

[Nitt1300]

We are not comparing the fan's offense system to the psu offense. We are comparing top 20 offensive systems to psu offense and there is no comparison. Other teams move the ball efficiently and psu runs three plays and punts. Psu only cares about explosive plays but they can't move the chains 3rd and 1 vs a good team. The point that goes over our staffs head is being efficient will give the offense more opportunities for explosive plays.

so, you actually believe that you know more than they do- that's hilarious

 

[Aardvark86]

Nice to see all the armchair OCs out in full force today. Keep up the “good” work.

Hey, at least they have set they’re sights realistically rather than seeking head coaching positions

 

[Moogy]

We are not comparing the fan's offense system to the psu offense. We are comparing top 20 offensive systems to psu offense and there is no comparison. Other teams move the ball efficiently and psu runs three plays and punts. Psu only cares about explosive plays but they can't move the chains 3rd and 1 vs a good team. The point that goes over our staffs head is being efficient will give the offense more opportunities for explosive plays.

The coaching staff is quite aware that offensive efficiency is important in winning football games. There's a high correlation between teams that win the efficiency battle and winning the game. There's an even higher correlation between winning the explosive plays battle and winning games, however.

So, you were wrong twice in that post. Good going.

 

[rigi19040]

The coaching staff is quite aware that offensive efficiency is important in winning football games. There's a high correlation between teams that win the efficiency battle and winning the game. There's an even higher correlation between winning the explosive plays battle and winning games, however.

So, you were wrong twice in that post. Good going.

Maybe they should stress efficiency a little more and spend less time pushing explosive plays. Our staff spends all this time pushing explosive plays but the coaches that don't mention explosive plays have more explosive plays

 

[rigi19040]

so, you actually believe that you know more than they do- that's hilarious

I have never said that. I do think other coaches know more about offense.

 

[PSUFBFAN]

We are not comparing the fan's offense system to the psu offense. We are comparing top 20 offensive systems to psu offense and there is no comparison. Other teams move the ball efficiently and psu runs three plays and punts. Psu only cares about explosive plays but they can't move the chains 3rd and 1 vs a good team. The point that goes over our staffs head is being efficient will give the offense more opportunities for explosive plays.

"and psu runs three plays and punts."

Did you know that Penn State has scored on 75% of its possessions this year?

 

[Nitt1300]

I have never said that. I do think other coaches know more about offense.

yeah, you did- when you pointed out what "goes over our staffs head" that you so clearly understand

 

[Moogy]

"and psu runs three plays and punts."

Did you know that Penn State has scored on 75% of its possessions this year?

They score via the punt ... @rigi19040 logic.

 

[Moogy]

Maybe they should stress efficiency a little more and spend less time pushing explosive plays. Our staff spends all this time pushing explosive plays but the coaches that don't mention explosive plays have more explosive plays

Loud noises!

 

[rigi19040]

"and psu runs three plays and punts."

Did you know that Penn State has scored on 75% of its possessions this year?

Probably leading the league in field goals that should have been tds. Haven't played a p5 team yet.

 

[Nits1989]

Luckily, PSU is playing this Saturday. They will have a chance to prove it to themselves and the country. I’m optimistic. Looking forward to watching the game. Go get ‘em PSU!

 

[Bvillebaron]

BB sorry to bring up a topic discussing Penn State Football on a Penn State Football Message Board.

Back on topic: Who is better the Go Go's or The Bangles? Please support your answer.

Hey clown it takes a special kind of stupid to try to deflect my criticism by claiming my comments didn’t involve football. Congrats.

 

[LMTLION]

Rhule is 0 for his entire career vs the top 20

And, there are a number of PSU fans who would love to have him as head coach over Franklin, which is absolute insanity.

 

[PSU Soupy 615]

Hey clown it takes a special kind of stupid to try to deflect my criticism by claiming my comments didn’t involve football. Congrats.

You tried to halt a discussion about offensive philosophies by claiming that we are not professionals. Of course we are not professionals but we can have an opinion.

you sound like you are the loudest guy in the bar who thinks that the louder that you yell, the smarter that you are.

 

[Bkmtnittany1]

And, there are a number of PSU fans who would love to have him as head coach over Franklin, which is absolute insanity.

I know at least a half dozen guys that want him or the Rutgers guy…and the fact that it would cost 140-150 million means nothing to them. I got a c-note that the IU coach’s name will be tossed in their this week

 

[PSUFTG]

And, there are a number of PSU fans who would love to have him as head coach over Franklin, which is absolute insanity.

Out of hundreds of thousands, I am sure you could find a few.

Like most here, I know hundreds of PSU fans/supporters. I do not know a single one who is clamoring for Matt Rhule to take over the program.
Nothing against Matt Rhule - who seems to be a fine guy and a "local" (more or less) with PSU ties.



FWIW, the biggest knock on hiring Rhule might be found by taking a look at his staff at Nebraska.
A big part of hiring a (head) coach is "Can he build a top flight staff?"
Some of that, of course, comes down to how much $$ his is given (like at PSU, where PSU currently has the MOST EXPENSIVE and highly-paid football coaching staff in the history of college athletics). But even an open wallet can be unwisely spent (hell, PSU/Franklin hired Tom Allen - on purpose ). Nebraska, obviously, has not paid that much - but they do pay well - and their staff (take a look) has been far less than stellar since Rhule arrived there (looks a lot like the Island of Misfit Toys).

Cignetti, OTOH, seems to have created a very solid staff on a (relative) shoestring budget. Collecting most of them "along the way" in his coaching career. Time will tell, but that is a very good sign for IU and wherever Cignetti might land next.

 

[VaDave4PSU]

(hell, PSU/Franklin hired Tom Allen - on purpose ).

Allen had a few decent defenses at IU. I guess he was just a HC too long as he certainly hasn't taken back to it yet.

 

[PSUFTG]

Allen had a few decent defenses at IU. I guess he was just a HC too long as he certainly hasn't taken back to it yet.

FWIW:

Allen was DC at IU for one year (2016), and HC from 2017 through 2023

Aside from the 2020 FUBAR year, the best defense under Allen was ranked 45th.

Year by year:
57th (the one year he was DC)
then:
53rd, 81st, 45th, 20th (COVID Year) 109th, 120th, 101st. Ouch!

Prior to IU, he was the DC for a FBS program for ONE year - 2015 at South Florida. That's it.

Granted, he never had Top 10 talent at IU - not even close. But three straight years of absolutely horrendous defensive results, immediately before PSU/HCJF hired him?

 

[razpsu]

The star at Missouri is the rb, not pribula.

Seriously? Pribula took over that game in the 4th as the leader a qb should be. He did well. I said weeks ago their qb rbs wr’s and tight end are every bit as good as ours. Their defense though is going to make it hard to keep up with points they will give up vs better teams

 

[LMTLION]

FWIW:

Allen was DC at IU for one year (2016), and HC from 2017 through 2023

Aside from the 2020 FUBAR year, the best defense under Allen was ranked 45th.

Year by year:
57th (the one year he was DC)
then:
53rd, 81st, 45th, 20th (COVID Year) 109th, 120th, 101st. Ouch!

Prior to IU, he was the DC for a FBS program for ONE year - 2015 at South Florida. That's it.

Granted, he never had Top 10 talent at IU - not even close. But three straight years of absolutely horrendous defensive results, immediately before PSU/HCJF hired him?

Yeah, in retrospect his hire here as a DC is a bit puzzling based on those stats, and his current performance at Clemson confirms the suspicion that our talent here made him look good. Abdul Carter can make anyone look good, even the armchair coaches here on the message board! Top programs never hold onto coordinators for more than a few years, so it is important to find the right candidates. Franklin did great landing Diaz and Knowles, and may have struck out on Allen. We’ll see if Diaz can be a successful coach at Duke. He did well last year, but not so well this year so far.

 

[Bwifan]

Michigan and Missouri both were running the offense that I thought that I would see from PSU in the "preseason" games. Missouri running back Hardy is a tank and their O Line good at making creases in the DL. The Missouri Oline beat up what was supposed to be a pretty good D Line in South Carolina.

Michigan's O Line decimated Nebraskas DL on National TV getting 75% of their yards on the ground, and then running play action just enough to keep the safties back respecting the pass. Underwood looks great throwing the ball even when it does not go anywhere near where a U of M receiver is...... He zips the ball all over the field, but needs to work on his accuracy and some of his decision making. Michigan has made it easy for him with a really strong OL.

With the discussions around Allar, I watched 15 minutes of the Tennessee offense (against UAB) so not a great opponent, but Allar and Singleton too would thrive in an offense where the field gets spread forcing the defense across the field and then running against a small number in the box or running rub routes against man to man coverage. UT gets a lot of man because a zone would have too many gaps with the WRs starting near the sidelines on every play. If you do not get numbers on the WRs they throw a screen and try to block the DBs for a big play. You need a QB that has a strong arm and you need RBs that are either homerun hitters or good runners through contact to do well against the limited defenders in the box.

Hoping that we do try to spread out Oregon. Make them cover the field.....run outside zone......see some of the screen game that we used last year so well.

Not sure why, but I feel pretty confident this coming week.

Michigan did not impress me in the least. They play like they did against Nebraska and they will get beaten pretty badly by the top Big 10 teams. Nebraska should be doing tackling drills everyday for the next month. I can't remember when I saw a team so bad at tackling and wrapping.

 

[PSUFTG]

Michigan did not impress me in the least. They play like they did against Nebraska and they will get beaten pretty badly by the top Big 10 teams. Nebraska should be doing tackling drills everyday for the next month. I can't remember when I saw a team so bad at tackling and wrapping.

Yep.
That was two mediocre programs - both playing lousy football.

That said: Michigan doesn't play "top Big 10 teams"
Michigan Schedule:

Oregon? Nope
Penn State? Nope
Indiana? Nope
Illinois (if one still dares to consider them a solid team)? Nope
They do still have Maryland, Northwestern, Purdue, Michigan State, Washington, Wisconsin on their schedule - along with USC (meh) and Ohio State.

Their conference schedule is absolute flotsam. They could play as poorly as they did this week - and I agree 100%, that was two very poor teams facing one another - and still likely end up with a 7-2, 8-1 conference record.

The avalanche of poor programs in the Big Ten has really changed the dynamic.
That will, eventually. change: a few of those programs may pull themselves up a bit, the networks will start to demand more good-good matchups (essentially creating a two-tiered schedule system), and at some point a couple of those programs may be cut loose from the Big Ten (it won't likely be too soon, but sooner or later, it will happen - after first cutting back on the media $ share to the weak sisters)

 

[rigi19040]

Seriously? Pribula took over that game in the 4th as the leader a qb should be. He did well. I said weeks ago their qb rbs wr’s and tight end are every bit as good as ours. Their defense though is going to make it hard to keep up with points they will give up vs better teams

How about the first three quarters? Do they count?

 

[rigi19040]

Out of hundreds of thousands, I am sure you could find a few.

Like most here, I know hundreds of PSU fans/supporters. I do not know a single one who is clamoring for Matt Rhule to take over the program.
Nothing against Matt Rhule - who seems to be a fine guy and a "local" (more or less) with PSU ties.



FWIW, the biggest knock on hiring Rhule might be found by taking a look at his staff at Nebraska.
A big part of hiring a (head) coach is "Can he build a top flight staff?"
Some of that, of course, comes down to how much $$ his is given (like at PSU, where PSU currently has the MOST EXPENSIVE and highly-paid football coaching staff in the history of college athletics). But even an open wallet can be unwisely spent (hell, PSU/Franklin hired Tom Allen - on purpose ). Nebraska, obviously, has not paid that much - but they do pay well - and their staff (take a look) has been far less than stellar since Rhule arrived there (looks a lot like the Island of Misfit Toys).

Cignetti, OTOH, seems to have created a very solid staff on a (relative) shoestring budget. Collecting most of them "along the way" in his coaching career. Time will tell, but that is a very good sign for IU and wherever Cignetti might land next.

There are probably a few thousand that want Rhule. There are fans that want Joe's corpse propped up on the sidelines like Weekend at Bernies.

 

[rigi19040]

Yeah, in retrospect his hire here as a DC is a bit puzzling based on those stats, and his current performance at Clemson confirms the suspicion that our talent here made him look good. Abdul Carter can make anyone look good, even the armchair coaches here on the message board! Top programs never hold onto coordinators for more than a few years, so it is important to find the right candidates. Franklin did great landing Diaz and Knowles, and may have struck out on Allen. We’ll see if Diaz can be a successful coach at Duke. He did well last year, but not so well this year so far.

The DE who flipped from PSU to Clemson is an all american or preseason all american. I think he had double digit sacks last year.

 

[razpsu]

How about the first three quarters? Do they count?

171 yards passing and 72 yards rushing 1td/1 int against a good team sure does count!!