Mike Leach

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Every year he loses a game he should win. Sometimes embarrassingly so. And this board takes to laughing and jabbing at him. Sometimes embarrassingly so.

Dude can coach. Dude can build. Dude has an identity. Dude gets it done.
 
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gojvc

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Dude should be the man here
Sad thing is we could have had him. He might tell us to go fly a kite now if we asked. But after what I saw today I think we're getting to the point it's worth asking. But apparently that can't happen because we owe the current coach $154,567,327,899,432,652,890,931,456,765 whether he's coaching or not.
 

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Sad thing is we could have had him. He might tell us to go fly a kite now if we asked. But after what I saw today I think we're getting to the point it's worth asking. But apparently that can't happen because we owe the current coach $154,567,327,899,432,652,890,931,456,765 whether he's coaching or not.

My take: Pay Stoop the 154.6 Octillion (your figure, not mine, I've not verified) we owe him, end him down the road, and hope we can convince Leach to come here for no money, but promise to build him a complete and accurate replica of Queen Anne's Revenge... I honesty think he'd come here for that. Especially if we let him sail it during the offseason.
 
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JohnBlue

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So you want to fire a guy that's 4-6 in a season not finished yet of year three for a guy that was 3-9 in year three? Only proves that no one cares about anything but getting to scream fire someone after every loss.
 

krazykats

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Ok! Yay we can point out what dude is doing against teams that aren't SEC! Good for him.

I hear Wazzu needs more fans.
 

NoDef

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Ok! Yay we can point out what dude is doing against teams that aren't SEC! Good for him.

I hear Wazzu needs more fans.
Yeah, losing to a Vandy team in the SEC is better than beating #19 UCLA on the road. We are SEC.

Leach is actually probably on a very short list of coaches that might could win here. He is one of the great offensive minds of the game and has a proven record of taking mid-level teams and have them in the discussion with the big boys of football. Do some of you not pay attention to what happens outside of the last two years? Leach had Texas Tech on the national map of college football and after he left they are now back to an afterthought. We just wasn't willing to admit that Joker was dead in the water and get Leach when we could of.
 

krazykats

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First off no one said Leach is awful. I'm simply saying comparing Leach to Stoops is apples and oranges. One is recruiting players to a school that has been atop its conference a few times in my lifetime and is also playing against equal competition. UCLA being #19 while fielding comparable talent to Wazzou isn't saying anything too outlandish. Also Leach has been there 4-5 years now and his guys are finally getting over the hump! I promise WSU hasn't been much to speak of until last night.

Stoops is doing the best recruiting job ever here at UK and still is a bottom feeder talent wise and is taking those players to battle with RE JRs and SRs.

Christ this really isn't so hard to rationalize people!
 

Shavers48

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So you want to fire a guy that's 4-6 in a season not finished yet of year three for a guy that was 3-9 in year three? Only proves that no one cares about anything but getting to scream fire someone after every loss.
dumbest take ever. Leach went to a bowl in yr 2 and is having his best so far in yr 4 at WSU. his team has NEVER during his time there made all the numerous coaching blunders like this staff has. It is very obvious to see someone who knows what he's doing vs someone who does not if you just open your eyes.
 

UKWildcats#8

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Leach is a proven coach though. I'd feel confident UK would beat UL if he came in to coach tomorrow. Yes, I think we'd have a better shot with him coaching the team for two weeks than a guy we have had for nearly 3 seasons to make a bowl this year.
 

Burly

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Leach is light years better than Stoops. He would score 50 on us. Stoops picked Dawson and he has failed miserably
 

NoDef

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First off no one said Leach is awful. I'm simply saying comparing Leach to Stoops is apples and oranges. One is recruiting players to a school that has been atop its conference a few times in my lifetime and is also playing against equal competition. UCLA being #19 while fielding comparable talent to Wazzou isn't saying anything too outlandish. Also Leach has been there 4-5 years now and his guys are finally getting over the hump! I promise WSU hasn't been much to speak of until last night.

Stoops is doing the best recruiting job ever here at UK and still is a bottom feeder talent wise and is taking those players to battle with RE JRs and SRs.

Christ this really isn't so hard to rationalize people!

WSU starts a former walk on at QB and runs a proficient offense.
UCLA >Vandy. Maybe Stoops turns it around and grows as a head coach, but some of the mistakes being made by this staff shouldn't happen at this level of football. Recruiting is better, but coaching the fundamentals of football is not very good. Leach is a proven winner and to act otherwise is ignoring his history as a coordinator and head coach. He is one of a short list that might could of turned this thing around.

For the record, WSU was/is considered one of the worst jobs in college football.
 

LowCountryCat

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So you want to fire a guy that's 4-6 in a season not finished yet of year three for a guy that was 3-9 in year three? Only proves that no one cares about anything but getting to scream fire someone after every loss.
No worse than pulling the trigger faster than Pitino and signing the guy to a 5 year extension that mortgages the entire university halfway through year two.
 

krazykats

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Yes he went to a bowl game with a SR QB and a lot of other players he did not recruit because he wasn't left with a terrible team! Then when they all graduated he went 3-9 and his guys are now JRs and SRs.......why is it so hard for some of you to realize that even with talent we are in the SEC going against the best talent? And until our guys are consistently JRs and SRs at the level talent we have brought in that we will not compete even if Nick Saban was here.
 

bthaunert

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With all the Leach talk on here, thought I would share this article. Living in PAC12 country and working at a PAC12 school, it's amazing where their fan base was just 2 months ago compared to now. Everyone wanted him out after he went 3-9 last year and started the season off with a loss to Portland State. Their fans were having the same discussions we were....can we afford to buy out his contract. Amazing what 2 months does.

http://www.cougcenter.com/wsu-couga...249/fire-mike-leach-contract-washington-state
 

krazykats

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Wazzou is not worse than UK as far as coaching job ranks!

Again, I'm not talking bad about Leach I'm adding perspective of what Leach is doing now compared to what is happening here.

If we are comparing big wins to big wins Id say last year USC to this year's UCLA and I'd think the USC win is better, JMO. But keep comparing this weekend because that is fair.
 

Shavers48

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With all the Leach talk on here, thought I would share this article. Living in PAC12 country and working at a PAC12 school, it's amazing where their fan base was just 2 months ago compared to now. Everyone wanted him out after he went 3-9 last year and started the season off with a loss to Portland State. Their fans were having the same discussions we were....can we afford to buy out his contract. Amazing what 2 months does.

http://www.cougcenter.com/wsu-couga...249/fire-mike-leach-contract-washington-state
yes, but at least WSU had a coach who had coached, who had won, who had achieved success at a level higher than had been achieved before at a place. right now we have none of that - only uncertainty and a long contract.
 

NoDef

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Sorry aim not buying his BS! He has us right with Ole Miss and Miss State........yea right! That guy knows his stuff. And to go one step further the coach he explained for us is Stoops for Christ sakes you babies!

I find it comical that anyone would even to try and justify that Stoops > Leach with the body of work that has been shown. My point is that Leach is one of great minds in the game and probably would of came here if Mitch really cared about winning here. Instead he went with another unproven coordinator that is learning on the job. Could of made a homerun hire.

Leach getting if done at a place considered a worse job than UK.
 

krazykats

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Never said Stoops is better, but he is fighting a different fight!

That opinion piece is a joke BTW, PAC 12 does not compare to SEC.

It's your opinion Leach would be better here then I'm saying there is no real truth to that. 1) I don't think he would recruit better than Stoops has, and 2) in both of their 3rd years Leach did not come close to beating a USC or Mizzou

My point is Stoops last 5 games shouldn't be all he is judged on. They have been awful but he has brought a lot of good and I expect he knows he must change the OC and add a ST coach then next year we are one more year experienced and should be better overall.
 

NoDef

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Never said Stoops is better, but he is fighting a different fight!

That opinion piece is a joke BTW, PAC 12 does not compare to SEC.

It's your opinion Leach would be better here then I'm saying there is no real truth to that. 1) I don't think he would recruit better than Stoops has, and 2) in both of their 3rd years Leach did not come close to beating a USC or Mizzou

My point is Stoops last 5 games shouldn't be all he is judged on. They have been awful but he has brought a lot of good and I expect he knows he must change the OC and add a ST coach then next year we are one more year experienced and should be better overall.

I truly hope that Stoops works out. Still no reason to not even compete in games like we have the last two years. This team has some internal issues that shouldn't be happening and that is part of the coaches responsibility. Players in the last two years have went through inexcusable periods of not appearing to compete and that is what worries me.

Winning against a bad Missouri and USCjr is not signature wins.

Leach is a PROVEN winner and has won at non-traditional schools. Stoops has recruited at a level not seen at UK and I hope he is more Meyer than Zook.
 

JohnBlue

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dumbest take ever. Leach went to a bowl in yr 2 and is having his best so far in yr 4 at WSU. his team has NEVER during his time there made all the numerous coaching blunders like this staff has. It is very obvious to see someone who knows what he's doing vs someone who does not if you just open your eyes.

So your proof that he knows what he is doing is going 3-9 against a weaker schedule. Your obvious is nothing but excuses because you like one guy over the other. Stoops has some learning to do without doubt and given the chance he might get there. That or we could all ***** and demand the next failure be hired and give him a couple years to do the impossible before running him off too.

At some point this ill ran program and it's whinny fans are going to have to suck it up and make a real commitment to a coach. Coaches like Leach can suck *** for years but one good season and all is forgotten and they become the latest regret all over again. It would be one thing to be jealous of a success coach but you're drooling over a guy that's 12-22 in pac-12. I think if you could step back and look at it objectively you'd agree that's pathetic.
 

NoDef

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I truly hope that Stoops works out. Still no reason to not even compete in games like we have the last two years. This team has some internal issues that shouldn't be happening and that is part of the coaches responsibility. Players in the last two years have went through inexcusable periods of not appearing to compete and that is what worries me.

Winning against a bad Missouri and USCjr is not signature wins. Only Mitch would give you a huge raise for beating mediocre teams.

Leach is a PROVEN winner and has won at non-traditional schools. Stoops has recruited at a level not seen at UK and I hope he is more Meyer than Zook.
 

krazykats

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Other than MSU and UGA we have been in every game this year. One could reach and argue that we were competing against UGA but it won't be me.

There is an issue and it's kids playing favorites. While you can't cater to it you have to be able to access a situation. I guess the players like Barker more and think he should be playing, but that does not give them the right to give up on a towels if coach chooses otherwise.

I'm not sold that Barker is the answer this year, but with Dawson calling plays Im not sure it matters either.
 

NoDef

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[QUOTE="JohnBlue_, post: 2727233,

At some point this ill ran program and it's whinny fans are going to have to suck it up and make a real commitment to a coach. Coaches like Leach can suck *** for years but one good season and all is forgotten and they become the latest regret all over again. It would be one thing to be jealous of a success coach but you're drooling over a guy that's 12-22 in pac-12. I think if you could step back and look at it objectively you'd agree that's pathetic.[/QUOTE]

He was 84-43 at a school considered to be a somewhat similar level as UK. We have Stoops with an absurd contract and will just have to wait it out. To try and discredit a coach with the career success of Mike Leach and say that Mark Stoops is a better hire at this point is ridiculous. It may work out, but will take some cleaning house of the current coaching staff to do so.
 

Shavers48

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Never said Stoops is better, but he is fighting a different fight!

That opinion piece is a joke BTW, PAC 12 does not compare to SEC.

It's your opinion Leach would be better here then I'm saying there is no real truth to that. 1) I don't think he would recruit better than Stoops has, and 2) in both of their 3rd years Leach did not come close to beating a USC or Mizzou

My point is Stoops last 5 games shouldn't be all he is judged on. They have been awful but he has brought a lot of good and I expect he knows he must change the OC and add a ST coach then next year we are one more year experienced and should be better overall.
Leach beat the real USC in his yr 2.
 

Shavers48

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So your proof that he knows what he is doing is going 3-9 against a weaker schedule. Your obvious is nothing but excuses because you like one guy over the other. Stoops has some learning to do without doubt and given the chance he might get there. That or we could all ***** and demand the next failure be hired and give him a couple years to do the impossible before running him off too.

At some point this ill ran program and it's whinny fans are going to have to suck it up and make a real commitment to a coach. Coaches like Leach can suck *** for years but one good season and all is forgotten and they become the latest regret all over again. It would be one thing to be jealous of a success coach but you're drooling over a guy that's 12-22 in pac-12. I think if you could step back and look at it objectively you'd agree that's pathetic.
no, my proof is his track record (please see his TTech record, doesn't sound like you're familiar) Stoops has no track record other than here - and it's pathetic.
 

NoDef

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no, my proof is his track record (please see his TTech record, doesn't sound like you're familiar) Stoops has no track record other than here - and it's pathetic.
Even if you have only followed football for the last three years a Google search should enable you to find out that Leach had a prior job before WSU. Amazing that people dont know that he brought Texas Tech to the level he did.
 

krazykats

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no, my proof is his track record (please see his TTech record, doesn't sound like you're familiar) Stoops has no track record other than here - and it's pathetic.

Telling someone else they aren't aware is funny, are you aware that he was known for beating the bad teams and losing to every ranked team he played except for 1 year? Are you aware that despite all his success they were ready to run him off before that 1 year?
 

NoDef

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Telling someone else they aren't aware is funny, are you aware that he was known for beating the bad teams and losing to every ranked team he played except for 1 year? Are you aware that despite all his success they were ready to run him off before that 1 year?

We could be 8-2 right now by doing that.
 

JohnBlue

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No worse than pulling the trigger faster than Pitino and signing the guy to a 5 year extension that mortgages the entire university halfway through year two.

You could say it's good or bad depending on how you look at it. Shows that Kentucky will pay and make a commitment if a coach performs. You appear to view that as something permanent which I've yet to see a contract that was. I see where Erik pointed out that to fire him now would only cost UK $15.5 million. Should be nothing but a drop in the bucket for the great money maker everyone claims football to be. Hell, BCG was to be paid $10 million and they told him GTFO and he was a measly basketball coach.
 

JohnBlue

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He was 84-43 at a school considered to be a somewhat similar level as UK. We have Stoops with an absurd contract and will just have to wait it out. To try and discredit a coach with the career success of Mike Leach and say that Mark Stoops is a better hire at this point is ridiculous. It may work out, but will take some cleaning house of the current coaching staff to do so.

"Was" is the most important part of your post. Things didn't finish too well for him and despite his success there it hasn't translated to the kind of success UK fans expect here at WSU. Going 3-9 in the pissy pac-12??? Shew! I can almost see the post bitching about his past now if he had been hired for this job. Everyone loves to take anything positive and spin into a negative and I'm sure they'd have a field day with his past. This is Kentucky Football, you're only as good as the last game here so his past wouldn't count.
 

JohnBlue

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no, my proof is his track record (please see his TTech record, doesn't sound like you're familiar) Stoops has no track record other than here - and it's pathetic.

Agree, Stoops has no past to cling onto but then neither does Kentucky, yet here we are demanding miracles or else...
 

krazykats

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We could be 8-2 right now by doing that.

I admit I'm being extremely baiting here, but please explain in detail how in the world you see 8-3 with Leadh here this year, and I'll reach and go ahead and give you stoops recruits!
 

ukalumni00

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I am not happy at all with Stoops right now but even I can see that Leach has been very underwhelming at WSU up until the second half of the season. Stoops may very well do the same thing here and this time next season folks like me are saying how wrong we were, but he has ALOT to prove before this fanbase will believe it.