Just terrible. No cause of death yet. RIP young man.
Mississippi State OL Westmoreland dead at 19
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and prayers.Very sad. It always grieves me when people my kids age or younger pass. Donāt consider myself old yet but Iām 62 so just think of what that young man will miss if you are several years or decades older. Life is precious, and we all take it for granted sometime.
God bless his family and friends. What a gut shot.
According to Will Rogers' Tweet, it sounds like suicide.
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RIP Sam. Itās okay to not be okay and we can always do more no matter what is going on. Hail State forever brother. Til we meet again 78.
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RIP Sam. Itās okay to not be okay and we can always do more no matter what is going on. Hail State forever brother. Til we meet again 78.
Sad.According to Will Rogers' Tweet, it sounds like suicide.
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RIP Sam. Itās okay to not be okay and we can always do more no matter what is going on. Hail State forever brother. Til we meet again 78.#HailState
If this country doesnāt begin to take mental health seriously weāre all going to end up in trouble on way or another.
I agree, but just how do we go about that? So many suicides are 100 percent unexpected, at least the ones Iāve been privy to. Depression is relatively easy, in my opinion, to diagnose, it runs in my family. But to be able to predict suicidal tendencies? I donāt know. Even if we could, how do we prevent it? I know from your post you are in this field of work. Good for you. Hopefully you can help save someone down the road from this dreadful path. Iāve known and have been fairly close to people who have committed suicide. Itās awful.
Very sad. John Wall recently talked about his struggles with life and suicidal thoughts. And how it's harder for men to talk about it sometimes.According to Will Rogers' Tweet, it sounds like suicide.
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RIP Sam. Itās okay to not be okay and we can always do more no matter what is going on. Hail State forever brother. Til we meet again 78.#HailState
Men, both young and old alike, guys....it's ok to be not okay at times. And it's ok to freaking talk about it. I guarantee you your friends and loved ones will rather hear you talk than take a permanent solution and permanent silence.
Prayers for his family and friends.
Some, sadly, probably aren't preventable. But a great deal can be prevented I feel.
A lot of the great mental health issues we face are the lack of sincere listening. Think about it. When did you last sincerely listen to someone's problem or talking without interjecting with the usual "Uh-huh. Yeah.. You don't say?" kind of stuff?
Listening and making time to listen sincerely is hard, but I think that would go a long way to helping folks feel understood and heard.
Social media is killing this world. It has very good uses, but like everything else we humans get our hands on we immediately abuse and misuse it.
This is tragic and it's in the news because the young man played sports. There are so many suicides from young people that we don't hear about because they don't play sports and it's very sad. We have to find a way for the people suffering to get some help.
Listening and making time to listen. Very solid advice. Social media killing this world? Itās done done it lol. Itās pathetic.
A lot of people also hear someone say something and immediately try to compare their situation with their own or make it seem like they have it just as bad or worse. Truly listening to someone is a rare thing, because lots of people want to relate or compare their own issues with someone else's. It's not even done maliciously or with bad intentions, but it can make the person who is opening up about their issue feel like they aren't being heard. Humility goes a long way and sometimes just listening is all a person needs.
I'm guilty of it to a degree just because I want to share that I kind of understand, to be sincere and not come off as condescending. But it's a tough balancing act.
I've known 8 people over the years who have committed suicide....
* One was a guy with terminal cancer and in a great deal of pain.
* One was soon after the loss of his son.
* Three were after breakups/divorces of long term relationships.
* Three were for reasons that were never apparent, although one guy had a family history of depression. The one that bothered me the most was a guy my wife worked with and I had known for 20 years. He and his wife went to church on Sunday. He taught a Sunday school class, they stayed for the sermon. After church, they went out to lunch and went to the grocery store. They came home. His son had come over to watch the NBA double header with him. He helped his wife put up the groceries. He told her he was going out to the garage. She said it's awful cold out there. He said there was something he needed to do. He went in the garage and got a shotgun he had hidden there, went around to the back of the garage, put it under his chin and pulled the trigger. No note, no financial trouble and no serious health issues.
One of my great uncle's committed suicide. He had gotten wasted, got in a fight with his GF (who he thought was cheating on him (she wasn't)), he then drove home drunk to his mom's (where he stayed nights when he was in town), got in bed, covered his chest with a pillow, and shot himself in the heart with a .357 Magnum. His mom somehow didn't hear it, and went to wake him up the next morning. She of course found him dead. My mom loved my great uncle (he was that cool uncle) and never forgave him for that. I tend to agree, bad enough to do it but to leave himself there for his mom to find him.......rough. Took her years of therapy to get through it.
I understand why some people end their own lives. Just....know it does hurt the people you leave behind.
I watched a documentary a few years ago that interviewed people who survived suicide attempts. Research of people who survive suicide attempts reveal they may think about suicide, but the actual time between decision to commit suicide and doing it is less than 15 mins! That short time frame shocked me!
The decision to commit suicide, then doing it in less that 15 mins leaves little time for someone to intervene. They often leave a note instead of contacting someone because they are avoiding intervention.
Depression and mental health are just as real as cancer or any other disease. Iām glad it is no longer swept under the rug. But, I agree with the above posters that more needs to be done
College and high school age depression is a bigger topic for another day, but colleges are overwhelmed with students seeking help with mental health.
The decision to commit suicide, then doing it in less that 15 mins leaves little time for someone to intervene. They often leave a note instead of contacting someone because they are avoiding intervention.
Depression and mental health are just as real as cancer or any other disease. Iām glad it is no longer swept under the rug. But, I agree with the above posters that more needs to be done
College and high school age depression is a bigger topic for another day, but colleges are overwhelmed with students seeking help with mental health.
Good God, speaking of social media being horrible. Folks out there saying the university should be investigated as his death was "obviously caused by the clot shot." he was forced to take.
I'm called to love my fellow man but it's getting really, really hard.
People.....People suck. Especially in the cess pool of this country nowadays.
I'm called to love my fellow man but it's getting really, really hard.
People.....People suck. Especially in the cess pool of this country nowadays.
Lost my son a couple years ago to an OD...have some dear friends that lost 2 sons to suicide and a 3rd one tried. This is the most horrible thing that a parent can go thru. God bless his family. It's horrible!
Good God, speaking of social media being horrible. Folks out there saying the university should be investigated as his death was "obviously caused by the clot shot." he was forced to take.
I'm called to love my fellow man but it's getting really, really hard.
People.....People suck. Especially in the cess pool of this country nowadays.
Twitter is truly the sewer of society
Good God, speaking of social media being horrible. Folks out there saying the university should be investigated as his death was "obviously caused by the clot shot." he was forced to take.
I'm called to love my fellow man but it's getting really, really hard.
People.....People suck. Especially in the cess pool of this country nowadays.
Thats some sad stuff turning to that political rhetoric on such a sad situation . Who are these people they literally walk among us they hate everything and have mercy for nothing .
It makes me so sad man.
All have fallen short, but my goodness. The vitriol. People, canāt even say āIām sorry for your lossā anymore. Theyāre struck with such a smug sense of self righteous snobbery its sickening. And the sad part is a lot of it is com8ng from people that claim to be āof Godā.
I use twitter to stay abreast of tech news and cybersecurity stuff as things come out through there nearly in real time. And of course I follow a few UK sports guys. But I try to stay away from the armpit portions. Reading all that crap made me so sad. What happened to common freaking decency.
Because the longer they wait the more likely they will not attempt. Thatās why the true commitment to do it is so quick.
Dwelling in pain is miserable. It hurts. When I was going through the depths of my depression, I would cry nearly every day. Sometimes more severely than others. One day nearly all my coworkers in my department were out for Fall Break, and the one that was with me was working onsite for a ticket. It was just me at my desk in a quiet building. now Iām not a highly extroverted guy but that hurt that day. I had no one to even distract me. And it was still a couple of months after I lost my dog. Iāve never ever teared up at work, but I did that day. Wasnāt huge mind you but I had to fight it off. My remaining coworker happened to come back for the sprocket he was working and. could tell I was just not ok. He said āLets go get some lunchā. Canāt tell you how that helped to get out of that building that day.
Depression just sucks. Literally. It saps your life energy. I had a headache nearly every day. Felt like claws in my brain. I didnāt touch music, barely got through my work assignments, and would just come home to eat and sleep. Best thing I can tell someone is to find that one person to talk to. Start there. And if they donāt want to listen find someone else. Call a help line. Talk. Even if it sounds off the wall ācrazyā. Get it out of your head. Because the longer it stays there? The more true it becomes. And depression lies man. It lies to you a lot. And the best lie it has is when it uses something that might be slight true about you and exaggerates it. (āI messed up my presentation todayā. Depression: āYeah, thatās because youāre a failure. And will never be anything elseā).
Again, men, donāt be stubborn or ashamed. We all need people to talk to. Seeking help is not weakness. Itās wisdom.
Maybe you could show some respect and keep your wild opinions out of this thread.
Well this might be a little long but I donāt have anything to do. Itās all my opinion from working in the field and utilizing psychotherapy and EBPās.
Suicide is the answer to a life without a pathway out of personal conflict. Itās essentially when the mind has nowhere else to go and the trauma experienced cannot settle at a resolution. You find the trauma, you create a pathway, you end a lot of suicide in this culture. This is purely my opinion from experience, education, and understanding these issues from my own past mental disorder and weighing the outcomes between psychology and psychotherapy.
The problem is the ways to do that begin in the home, in the community, and in local mental health clinics which nobody notices on the way to McDonaldās. These places are under funded to the point where they only operate because people are willing to keep it open without the pay to do so. In a normal business setting these clinics would close. I am a right wing type of thinker in a left wing type of field. And being truthful, my side is terrible at this issue and we only want to discuss it at all when our guns are used in crimes and politicians want to strip the right. I love my guns, but weāve got to expand further than just talking about it when someone wants to ignore the problem and look at our gun.
HE SHOT UP A SCHOOL!!
āItās mental health!!ā
-He doesnāt work, is 35 and drinks and uses coke-
ālock that lazy bum up and teach him an American lesson. Be a man and quit your stupid ****.ā
We arenāt even trying to tackle mental health. Shockingly, people are still going to nurse practitioners for mental health. Totally untrained medical people who are administering psycho medications that theyāre not trained to do. We donāt allow clinical mental health practitioners to write for mental health medicine, but allow nurse practitioners the ability. Itās just proof we are completely off on this issue. We would never do such a thing with any other organ, but we do with maybe the most important organ we have to flourish in life, the brain. Iām sorry itās just nuts
For these reasons (that nothing is being done at all) Ithink the best way for everyone to combat a mental health issue with their kids, friends, or family, or to offset issues that could lead to a potential self harm or suicide pathway, is to tackle trauma instead of just asking if someone is okay and listening. Have a strategy when you notice someone you care about struggling. The notion that just asking someone if theyāre okay, or telling them youāre there to talk, that somehow this is going to help someone with extreme trauma, is so short sighted. Learn to talk effectively, learn to communicate with a road map for help.
So while you might not be a psychologist or clinical therapist - there are things you can do as a strategy to help those you notice are struggling.
So for example, Many forms of depression, and there are many, are the result not of a chemical imbalance (my opinion) but of trauma left untreated. I do not believe thereās a medication for everything, and donāt recommend some be medicated until theyāve undergone forms of psychotherapy at least.
Weāre discovering more about whatās called ACEās or adverse childhood experiences. To boil this down to a scary understanding, the majority of people that suffer heart disease, use substances (drugs, alcohol, tobacco), and other issues such as eating disorders (too much too little), might w really be suffering from forms of ACEās. research is finding that these people many times over have a high ACE score. So really what this means is we are locking up tons of people, and overlooking others as stupid and lazy, who are mentally sick from childhood traumas. Society needs to understand more about this and learn what it means.
Back tracking a bit here. If you know someone who seems to be off, struggling, using substances. Drinking too much, is depressed etc there are forms of conversing that might really help if thereās nothing else you can do. Learn how to communicate using an EBP such as CBT. Itās very easy to understand with some research, itās used for effectiveness and time, and it can really change the thinking pattern that is regressive. It utilizes simple open ended questions that work to dispel these regressive thoughts in someoneās mind and it can help to turn their thinking away from what theyāve told themselves to be true over time.
Things like this are more effective than just saying Iām here to talk or āwhyā are you doing that or ādude you gotta stopā lol. I recommend people reach out and study the topic more, be involved, donate to your mental health clinics, push your politicians, but most of all utilize the research and help someone you know in a meaningful way. Iām not telling everyone to spend 10 minutes researching and go out and practice psychotherapy. I am saying however that there are EBPās that can be easily understood by average people and you can use it in ways the person youāre talking to doesnāt even know is happening, but it helps. Youāll notice if youāre able to have the time with someone who reciprocates the conversation, theyāll want to talk to you more than most.
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Thank you for sharing these all tweets. Truly a great service you've performed. I never ever would've seen them. But you searched them out and posted them here in the thread for others to see. Oh this is awful. I got an idea. I'll find what .0001% of people think and show it so it is magnifies. That's what humanity needs. Walks in holding a handful of horse ****. Hey look what i almost stepped in. Jfc.
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One other thing. Weāve got to stop stigmatizing everything that is a symptom of past traumas. Iāve had clients that were being abusive to their kids and wives, and when the rumors of their abusive actions spread, it became worse. Again, the fight or flight system inside of a person suffering from untreated past traumas manifests in abnormal ways, so weāve got to stop stigmatizing even what we see as horrible people. Our jails and prisons are full of people suffering from these ACEās. From drug use to being abusive to everything i between. Iām not excusing it, but tackling mental health goes much further than most realize. And in America we are ruining the lives of people who are actually victims of past abuse. The sad thing is many of these people have to go to prison to protect us, but a person caught with drugs whoās only self medicating past trauma doesnāt belong in jail and a life long criminal record.
Although you wonāt find a way to prevent it 100%, I think you teach kids in schools widespread. And not just one semesters in high school, but teach little bits every year. Teach basic communication skills. How to listen. As Gromcat said above, teach ability to cope with stresses and to find new pathways. Teach where to find help and resources.
I also think that kids should get regular education on decision makingā¦..financesā¦.importance of civic dutyā¦.etc. If kids learn to think about the consequences of actions before they do them, maybe they wonāt get in as many or as worse situations. If kids learn basic finance principles of saving, budgeting, investing, etcā¦.maybe theyāll have less financial stress in their lives. Etc.
It's the stigma that mental issues are a sign of weakness. A person can have heart problems, cancer, Alzheimer's, etc and everyone is sympathetic but if you suffer from a mental illness they act like you should be able to just snap out of it. It leads a lot of people to not try to get help out of fear of looking weak or people thinking they are just crazy.
Sometimes, but he reminds us over and over that we'll experience struggles and even tragedies in this broken world, I'm just thankful he also promised that these things, no matter how difficult and heartbreaking, are only temporary and there's a home waiting without them that will last much longer than 19 years.
Praying for his family and friends and that they are comforted by this truth and the love of others around them.