if anyone watched the game last night. It wasn't very encouraging if he's going to be our new OC. I thought he would be a possible home run hire. but seriously to pretty much get shut out to SDSU? They didn't score til about 2 minutes left in the game. After seeing that performance I really kinda hope he isn't the OC now. Very bad showing last night. Could possibly be in for another long season with him at OC if last night was a sign of things to come. If you all watched the game last night what to do you all think of gran and his ability and should we be alarmed by last nights game if he is chosen as OC?
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Simply no way to spin it if this is the hire. Season ticket sells will plummet.
Didn't see the whole game but Cincy kinda looked like us a little bit on offense
How did they average 36 a game?
Were they just not "up"? That is on Tommy
Was it the true freshman qb, choking at a bigger stage?
Maybe it was just what many teams do in bad bowls games with no crowds in an awesome location like Hawaii...fold and enjoy the vacation
My point? Very hard to judge an OC from one "meaningless" game.
Were they just not "up"? That is on Tommy
Was it the true freshman qb, choking at a bigger stage?
Maybe it was just what many teams do in bad bowls games with no crowds in an awesome location like Hawaii...fold and enjoy the vacation
My point? Very hard to judge an OC from one "meaningless" game.
I really do not think the team as a whole wanted to play football. So, I do not judge Gran on their performance last night. They have been in Paradise on earth, for a week. Knowing Gran was gone, could have been a factor in their play. Their star QB did not play. Just saw no excitement in the Cincy team. I think Gran will do well at UK.
IMO that is mainly on the HC.
Just as Stoops has failed at that a few times. It sucks he and us have to go thru his OJT as a head coach.
It happens, though. Bama vs. Utah. UF vs. Louisville. You see it multiple times every year. Way too much emphasis placed on performance in lower-tier bowl games when it really doesn't mean that much and usually means a lot more to the lesser team.
"Cincinnati has averaged at least 460 yards of offense per game in each of Gran's three seasons, including 559.4 yards this season, good enough for fifth nationally."
And one poor performance in a no-name bowl game, in Hawaii, and with an OC with one foot out the door doesn't change 36+ games of proven worth and ability.
Lincoln Riley's offense scored 20 points on a bad UF team in their bowl last year. Sure glad we didn't hire him...
Get a grip
Get a grip
By all means let's judge this guy on one game and let's cherry-pick at that. Might want to go back thru their season and pick other games where their O struggled. Oh, the games where his O played well....just ignore those. Doesn't serve your purpose.
BTW, a UL fan has decided at age 51 Gran's too old to build an O at UK. Y'all might want to jump on that bandwagon next.
BTW, a UL fan has decided at age 51 Gran's too old to build an O at UK. Y'all might want to jump on that bandwagon next.
Unreal the stuff we see on here at times.
Let's judge a mans entire career on one game [sick]
Let's judge a mans entire career on one game [sick]
It's beyond short sighted to take a snapshot of one game and make broad statements about a coach. You have to look at the body of work or you're just complaining to be complaining. If someone looks at the body of work and still feels he's not a good hire, then so be it.
Yes, it's part of a coaches job, but there's only so much they can do to fire them up. You see games like last night several times during the bowl season. UC showed up mentally and physically unprepared to compete from the opening kickoff when their coverage team looked like they completely forgot about lane assignments. A week in paradise, tons of distractions (whatever is going on with Kiel, rumors of Gran leaving) to be had in the islands with probably quite a few kids who have never been to a beach anywhere, long, long way from home on Christmas and some serious jet lag the first day or two. OTOH, you have SDSU who comes in with a roster of kids who have played here at least once if not twice, and played with a huge chip on their shoulder. Sometimes that's the result you get, and there's no on/off switch to be flipped or adjustments to be made.
I never have thought of Lane Kiffen as any type of decent coach at all. Trouble is his record at Bama is one of the top five in the nation.
sometimes the man makes the job, sometimes the job makes the man.
We wait and see what Gran can do.
IF we get Gran.
sometimes the man makes the job, sometimes the job makes the man.
We wait and see what Gran can do.
IF we get Gran.
"I'm judging the coordinator based off of one game in Hawaii where they were missing their starting QB and basically had a vacation leading up to a glorified high school game."
*Someone whispers that they did really well in the regular season*
"F*<# the regulur season! I saw what I needed to saw in that thar game!!!"
That's basically what I'm seeing on this board from people who haven't been posting for long or even that much. I know I'm not the most knowledgeable about football, but at least I don't piss on everything that comes by me. FFS.
*Someone whispers that they did really well in the regular season*
"F*<# the regulur season! I saw what I needed to saw in that thar game!!!"
That's basically what I'm seeing on this board from people who haven't been posting for long or even that much. I know I'm not the most knowledgeable about football, but at least I don't piss on everything that comes by me. FFS.
It can be ignored since it's all coming from the same 2or3 posters. Most of us are taking a cautious approach. Gran will be a step up but probably a very marginal one. Nothing will get better until the O line does.
Timing is pretty good for the new OC as far as new OL talent goes.
SDSU was clearly the best team. I think they were 10-3 going in. Cincy was moving the ball early but interceptions and fumbles killed the momentum. The game dosen'the say much about Gran. He looks good if the team executes and bad if they don't.
You are absolutely crazy if you think floridas defense last year was bad! One of the nations best the offense was just one of the worst.
You're effing kidding right? Did I say he was a bad OC? All I said was his offense looked very anemic last night. I really don't know how his offense will translate to the SEC. Very unpredictable when people go from a mid major conference to the SEC. I was just alarmed at how bad the offense looked considering cincy is a better team than UK and next year most of our SEC opponents will be better than SDSU was this year. Just think they looked absolutely awful last night.
Are you an Arizona fan or a Florida fan? Very confusing.
Cincinnati as a team just looked collectively outmatched in this game. SDSU was legit. People want to ignore the fact that Cinci hung more on Memphis than Ole Miss did, or that they put up more points on Houston than Louisville, despite the fact that both Louisville and Ole Miss are vastly more talented than Cinci. People want to look at one game, where they are missing their starting QB, the backup was beyond incompetent, the HC is making incredibly dumb decisions, and the Cinci defense played horrible football, and judging a guy who has done nothing but consistently improve the Cinci offense, bringing it from being 55th in the country to 5th in the country since he arrived.
Teams have bad games, inexplicable games where the most bizarre things happen, and they pick up a bad loss as a result. This was one of those things.
Botch Jones seemed to do alright. So did Gus Malzahn. Hugh Freeze as well.
And no, most of our SEC opponents will not have a better defense than SDSU. Maybe 3 of them will be better that I can think of, but 3 would be it. Those 3 would be Florida, Alabama, and Georgia. Conversely though, Kentucky does have more offensive talent than Cinci, probably by a long-shot. We just have to have the guy that can use it the right way.
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According to you man we just can't ever question coaches and their ability ever we must always think they're great no matter what, it's really annoying when someone gets upset at every time someone questions a coaches ability, it's every single time with you man according to you we must think gran is a great homer run hire no matter what, bottom line, he's the best thing since sliced bread and that we couldn't be luckier to have him (if he comes here), he hasn't even coached a game for us yet man get real you can't act like he's a great OC yet you have no idea how his offense will translate to the SEC and anyways I'm also pretty sure you were sticking up for Dawson before he got fired so it's really nothing new with you you think every coach will get it done as long as they don the blue and white. Stop being a homer for once. Did I jump the gun and say he was awful? No but how are you going to predict how his offense translates to the SEC? That cincy team is better than this UK team and they just got annihilated by a team that isn't near as good as a lot of our SEC opponents next year. Did I judge his whole career on one game? No. But was it alarming? Yes!
The screen name is meant to be funny if anything, doesn't represent my fandom in anyway except for the 4UK part! Jeez dude yea I follow UK football and know it so well because I'm a fan of other teams. He said Lincoln Riley put up 20 on Florida when Florida had one of the best defenses in the country and tried to use that as a point. Just really idiotic to compare SDSUs defense to Florida's. If you don't think so then you sir are just crazy and don't know football if you truly think that comparison is legit.
Deck the halls with Ignore options......
A lousy Kentucky team put up a lot of points on that Florida defense in the Swamp. It wasn't great by any means.
Or would you say that it's unfair to use a one game serving size? If you think it would be unfair to judge that defense based on one game that actually meant something, then we shouldn't judge this game based on one game that held no real weight, against a team that was clearly superior on every side of the ball.
I'm not so sure we have more talent on offense then cincy. I mean seriously look at what they did for most of the year and look what we did. Though albeit against way lesser competition. I just don't know about that. I truly don't believe SDSU has the juggernaut defense you claim is has. Vandy has a better defense, Tennessee has a better defense, Missouri has a better defense. Silly if you only think 3 of the SEC defenses we play are better than SDSUs next year.
No hotshot, what's really annoying is when people start hating on a coach before he's hired and cherry-picking their "proof."
Neal brown was a way better coordinator than Dawson. Florida had one of the elite defense last season. It was top notch. If you are seriously justifying his comparison of Riley going against floridas defense by calling Florida a bad team than there's just no logic and reason with you. It's hilarious the ish people will say on here just because they don't like someone. Again I'm not judging grans whole career on one game. But that one game was alarming yes, all I'm saying is I'm not so sure he's the home run hire I once thought he would be. If you want to continue to downplay floridas defense and say Dallas made a damn good comparison right there. Go for it. I'm not partaking in that kind of idiocy though where we're gonna act like last years Florida defense sucked. Just simply not true and you gotta be the biggest homer there is to believe otherwise.
I said it was alarming, didn't judge his whole career you needa get your panties out of a wad. You defended Shannon Dawson and what he was doing here man so it's just pretty much nothing new with you you never question coaches just because they do or might don the blue and white. That's all it is if they don the blue and white then that's all the proof you need to think they're going to do well.
Stop lol. Just stop. The only position that Cincy is more talented is at their starting QB position, and Kiel may very well come here with Gran (that's a well known possibility). The only reason he transferred from Notre Dame was because of Gran. And you're bashing SDSU solely because of the name, but they're not devoid of talent by any means. They had just as many All-Americans in their defensive backfield as Florida.
You're genuinely an imbecile, aren't you? That wasn't my point at all. My point is, here you are, judging Gran based on one game, but you're fighting like hell to defend Florida's defense in their 2014 season, and telling me not to base it on 1 game? You're talking about the hilarious "ish" (my goodness, what a stupid thing to say). You say he was demoted from home-run hire to "just another guy" because one of game. You disregard the entire body of work, unless it fits your agenda, but we should still think of Florida's defense as otherworldly despite them having horrible defensive games too. It's hypocritical, that's all I'm saying.
It's not just this one thing either, you do this on several different topics, in several different threads.
Horrible defensive games? They had treon harris as their qb. Probably the only qb in the SEC that was worse than towles outside of vandys. As I said I went from thinking it would be a home run hire to thinking that it may not be. It might not be man you don't know. All I said was that it was alarming.
Then people come out here trying to say Florida had a terrible defense the year before to fit an agenda when it simply isn't true. That's more so fitting an agenda when someone tries to say Florida had a terrible defense last year to prove a point, when it just simply isn't true. That is a very homeresque agenda right there because it's a blatant lie used trying to prove an unreal point. All I said was it was alarming and that it might not be a home run hire after all. You keep saying I'm judging his whole body of work off one game, but I'm not. I just said it was alarming and that he might not be a home run hire. Who knows he could be a home run hire, but also at the same time he may not be. It makes me wonder how many of yall thought Dawson was a home run hire I bet you and schwump both thought so when he was hired. It's real funny how people aren't allowed to be objective here if it in any way doesn't match their opinion of all things blue being successful.
Just because someone dons the blue and white, doesn't make them good. Like Dawson for example. Mrschwump defended him til the end just because he donned the blue and white, not because he was good or anything because he was actually trash, just because he donned the blue and white. again all I said was it was alarming never judged his whole career off one game and people come here trying to say floridas defense last year was terrible and trying to use that to prove a point when they really couldn't be more off base. If you want to think floridas defense last year was terrible then go on as I said I'm not partaking in such idiocy.
Well, this pretty much explains your football knowledge all in two short sentences.
Or it explains your dislike towards me and nothing else because you're an a$$hole who thinks he's smart by having no proof of my lack of football knowledge but you say you do because you don't like me. You're a gd idiot if you think treon Harris did anything to help floridas defense last year. They lived on the field and still had great games game after game. You have no football knowledge because you continue to defend Dallas and his statement of floridas defense being terrible when it was one of the nations best.
According to you we must ALWAYS question the coaches, if they are at UK, or even if they are considering UK.
No I mean if they're doing a good job we should praise them OBVIOUSLY. Perform badly then we should question them. I think it's kinda a$$ backwards praising coaches that haven't proven anything to date.