Mullens - Typical SEC homerism

[Soonerborn1959]

This is a quote he made in reference to the SEC trying to say why they should get 2 in the playoffs.


Florida coach Dan Mullen made the most concise -- though not new -- SEC argument recently speaking to the New York Times.

"If you look at a lot of these other teams, they don't have to go through a gauntlet, and it would be interesting to see if they did," Mullen said. "The top team in the Big 12, the top team in the Big Ten, the top team in the ACC are all as good as the best teams in the SEC. The problem is, last week, there were, what, five of our teams in the top 10? So if Clemson, Oklahoma, Ohio State, Notre Dame -- if they were all in the same conference, it would be interesting because that's kind of what it looks like in this league."

https://www.cbssports.com/college-f...ll-playoff-is-designed-to-create-controversy/

 

[Soonerborn1959]

And just a sample of excuses if Bama loses

https://www.cbssports.com/college-f...ua-tagovailoa-doesnt-have-spring-in-his-step/

 

[CTOkie]

I wonder if the ten national championships by SEC teams since 2003 have something to do with the "love" thrown at teams from the SEC.

 

[Schoonerman_rivals49058]

I wonder if the ten national championships by SEC teams since 2003 have something to do with the "love" thrown at teams from the SEC.

I think the SEC believes if one of their conference teams wins a championship, they all win the championship.

 

[Soonerborn1959]

I wonder if the ten national championships by SEC teams since 2003 have something to do with the "love" thrown at teams from the SEC.

Sure it does but remember it took some other team losing late to allow an SEC team to sneak back into that opportunity to play for one. During that span it was always the SEC team that rarely dropped after a loss while other teams dropped dramatically after a loss. Its easier to climb back to the top when your conference was and is given special consideration.

2011 is a prime example and had Oklahoma St or Stanford gotten the votes we will never know if they could have beaten LSU but instead they both lost out on that chance due to the name Bama.

Yes the SEC won 10 over that span but lets not pretend that the system didn’t also work in there favor to be given that shot more than any other conference.

 

[OUSOONER67]

Can't have it both ways, brag about how Good your Conference is and then Whine about it being too tough.

 

[Soonerborn1959]

I wonder if the ten national championships by SEC teams since 2003 have something to do with the "love" thrown at teams from the SEC.

CT you don’t believe CBS and ESPN affiliation with the SEC has anything to do with this love fest also? Remember CBS shows only SEC football games and we know that they are the ESPN cash cow,

 

[CTOkie]

CT you don’t believe CBS and ESPN affiliation with the SEC has anything to do with this love fest also? Remember CBS shows only SEC football games and we know that they are the ESPN cash cow,

Which begs the question: WHY does the SEC have an affiliation with ESPN and CBS ?
Trust me, I’m not an SEC fan but it’s history speaks for itself.

 

[Plainosooner_rivals54053]

The thing is, the SEC team don't all play anything close to each other. They play the six other teams in their division, and two from the other side. So all those stud teams in the West don't face greatness on the other side.

Florida's "gauntlet" Includes:
Tennessee - Lost to Georgia State
Kentucky - Beat Arkansas at home 24-20. Arkansas trails Western Kentucky 35-7 today at the half.
South Carolina - Lost to North Carolina, including a home loss to App State.
Vanderbilt - loses to almost everybody including at home to UNLV 34-10.
Mizzou - Lost to Wyoming. Wyoming lost to Tulsa.
Their out of conference schedule includes both Miami and FSU. That would have been very tough a decade ago. Not so much in 2019.

The Big XII had a better out of conference performance this year than the SEC did. Their public relations machine makes them seem unbelieveable this year. I've heard talk about the game today being a "game of the century." Bama's quarterback hasn't played in a few weeks. LSU barely beat an okay Longhorn team on a night when Texas came into the game with one small running back, and lost more than half of their secondary during the game.

LSU is good. Bama is good. But this all timer talk comes mostly from the uncovered brain of Paul Finebaum, the noted Bama homer, who gets to spew his bias five days a week on ESPN.

 

[iasooner1]

Epic day today if our legacy starting Minny holds on to knockoff PSU for starters...

To the O/T perhaps espin will be taken down a few pegs in some kind of anti-trust action now that it's proven that the big 3 MSM nets have all colluded to cover up the Epstein case ?

 

[CTOkie]

The thing is, the SEC team don't all play anything close to each other. They play the six other teams in their division, and two from the other side. So all those stud teams in the West don't face greatness on the other side.

Florida's "gauntlet" Includes:
Tennessee - Lost to Georgia State
Kentucky - Beat Arkansas at home 24-20. Arkansas trails Western Kentucky 35-7 today at the half.
South Carolina - Lost to North Carolina, including a home loss to App State.
Vanderbilt - loses to almost everybody including at home to UNLV 34-10.
Mizzou - Lost to Wyoming. Wyoming lost to Tulsa.
Their out of conference schedule includes both Miami and FSU. That would have been very tough a decade ago. Not so much in 2019.

The Big XII had a better out of conference performance this year than the SEC did. Their public relations machine makes them seem unbelieveable this year. I've heard talk about the game today being a "game of the century." Bama's quarterback hasn't played in a few weeks. LSU barely beat an okay Longhorn team on a night when Texas came into the game with one small running back, and lost more than half of their secondary during the game.

LSU is good. Bama is good. But this all timer talk comes mostly from the uncovered brain of Paul Finebaum, the noted Bama homer, who gets to spew his bias five days a week on ESPN.

I’m aware of all that but history seems to trump it in the eyes of the networks. SEC has seen Arkansas, Tennessee, Ole Miss, Mississippi State decline but what other conference has its top five teams better than Alabama, LSU, Georgia, Florida and Auburn....all ranked going into today among the top 11 teams in the country ?

 

[Thiswasthelastnameavailable]

I’m aware of all that but history seems to trump it in the eyes of the networks. SEC has seen Arkansas, Tennessee, Ole Miss, Mississippi State decline but what other conference has of its top five teams better than Alabama, LSU, Georgia, Florida and Auburn....all ranked going into today among the top 11 teams in the country ?

Chicken or Egg? This is a self fulfilling prophecy which always favors the SEC. The conference, the teams, benefit from this. When an SEC team doesn't make the playoffs/championship, and get their asses handed to them then they "didn't really care or didn't want to be there.". During the season, when they lose during the regular season, they don't fall far because the loss was to another top ten team (in theory). It is a joke, and the number of championships over the past 15 years does not explain the bias or make it right. The number of players drafted to the NFL from the SEC has no place in this discussion either. As for the current "top" eleven teams: it is the same as every other year, when they overrate them and don't drop them after a loss (even multiple losses), it builds the SEC legacy. I would tee it up against any of this sob's and feel good about this year's OU team. It is hard to hear all the talking heads, or understand them, while they continue to provide oral gratification to the SEC.

 

[CTOkie]

I think the SEC believes if one of their conference teams wins a championship, they all win the championship.

That's probably true.

 

[Soonerborn1959]

I’m aware of all that but history seems to trump it in the eyes of the networks. SEC has seen Arkansas, Tennessee, Ole Miss, Mississippi State decline but what other conference has its top five teams better than Alabama, LSU, Georgia, Florida and Auburn....all ranked going into today among the top 11 teams in the country ?

CT

The problem is that Mullins comments are so out of whack. Yes there are some very good teams in the SEC but many of those teams ratings are a product of pre-season rankings so when they play one another its the old “Gauntlet” schedule.

i think many fans buy into this and fail to realize that other conferences also possesses some very good teams. Most of those times that is shown by looking at conf records. This year alone look at our conference. Yes OU is still the big dog until proven otherwise but the media rarely gives credit to Baylor for instance or the fact currently this conf is full of 2 loss and 4 loss conf teams because it has parity.

The media outlets like ESPN and CBS ( even cbssports website) is filled with nothing but SEC this SEC that. That highly influences opinions of fans who really don’t follow nothing but their own teams so they buy into it.

Pollsters are the worse at doing this and most are to lazy to actually watch teams that don’t interest them.

 

[CTOkie]

CT

The problem is that Mullins comments are so out of whack. Yes there are some very good teams in the SEC but many of those teams ratings are a product of pre-season rankings so when they play one another its the old “Gauntlet” schedule.

i think many fans buy into this and fail to realize that other conferences also possesses some very good teams. Most of those times that is shown by looking at conf records. This year alone look at our conference. Yes OU is still the big dog until proven otherwise but the media rarely gives credit to Baylor for instance or the fact currently this conf is full of 2 loss and 4 loss conf teams because it has parity.

The media outlets like ESPN and CBS ( even cbssports website) is filled with nothing but SEC this SEC that. That highly influences opinions of fans who really don’t follow nothing but their own teams so they buy into it.

Pollsters are the worse at doing this and most are to lazy to actually watch teams that don’t interest them.

Good points, 59....but the rankings today have 5 teams in the top 11. Whatever the spin, the SEC has an earned reputation that the media is enamored with. Whether it's fair or unfair is really irrelevant...even though it is.

 

[Plainosooner_rivals54053]

I’m aware of all that but history seems to trump it in the eyes of the networks. SEC has seen Arkansas, Tennessee, Ole Miss, Mississippi State decline but what other conference has its top five teams better than Alabama, LSU, Georgia, Florida and Auburn....all ranked going into today among the top 11 teams in the country ?

Okay about a really good top five. But they don't come close to playing each other. And their OOC games are largely all at home, all against creampuffs. Florida is way overrated this year. LSU would be the Longhorns' peer, if UT had been close to full speed that night. MSU has never been great. They've had some quality seasons, but they were rated too high only because they were in the SEC.

 

[Thiswasthelastnameavailable]

Okay about a really good top five. But they don't come close to playing each other. And their OOC games are largely all at home, all against creampuffs. Florida is way overrated this year. LSU would be the Longhorns' peer, if UT had been close to full speed that night. MSU has never been great. They've had some quality seasons, but they were rated too high only because they were in the SEC.

The vaunted Bama defense has given up 33 points at home...in a half...to a team that barely beat Texas. Watch the spin: qb wasn't full speed, the refs, etc.

 

[OklaBama]

The vaunted Bama defense has given up 33 points at home...in a half...to a team that barely beat Texas. Watch the spin: qb wasn't full speed, the refs, etc.

ESPN is the Fox News of college sports for sure.

 

[CTOkie]

Okay about a really good top five. But they don't come close to playing each other. And their OOC games are largely all at home, all against creampuffs. Florida is way overrated this year. LSU would be the Longhorns' peer, if UT had been close to full speed that night. MSU has never been great. They've had some quality seasons, but they were rated too high only because they were in the SEC.

No question the SEC is top heavy, as are most conferences. But the networks see the SEC as a proven commodity each year and the 10 national championships since 2003 have a lot to do with it.
The SEC has 4 more teams than the Big 12 (10) so the scheduling has to eliminate certain match ups each year, as you know.

 

[Plainosooner_rivals54053]

My point is that SEC teams don't play a tougher schedule than Big XII teams. We play everybody. They all miss at least one or two, usually more, especially in the East.

But after what I saw in Norman tonight, OU isn't going into any playoff. Don't deserve it. Minnesota ought t be ranked higher by the committee on Tuesday, and ought to be. We are more beat up than what is publicly being disclosed.

I have tickets to next week in Waco. I'll be surprised if we win.

I don't think the SEC should have two in the four team CFP, but it will matter less, because we won't be there.

OUr conference has a ton of good coaches. Campbell is one of them. They had a great plan against us tonight, and had their players made some plays they should have made, they'd have won in Norman. We are likely going to have to play without Ealy for awhile. OUr OLine wasn't very good when he was absent earlier in the year.

The wheels are falling off. It's to a lesser extent, but Jalen at OU looks a little like Baker in Cleveland. Not trusting the OL, he's uncomfortable in the pocket. Jalen's solution is to take off running. He can get away with that some. But he's not serving the offense well.

LR looked pissed afterward.

So what happens with the SEC matters less to me.We will be lucky to play on New Year's Day.

 

[CTOkie]

My point is that SEC teams don't play a tougher schedule than Big XII teams. We play everybody. They all miss at least one or two, usually more, especially in the East.

But after what I saw in Norman tonight, OU isn't going into any playoff. Don't deserve it. Minnesota ought t be ranked higher by the committee on Tuesday, and ought to be. We are more beat up than what is publicly being disclosed.

I have tickets to next week in Waco. I'll be surprised if we win.

I don't think the SEC should have two in the four team CFP, but it will matter less, because we won't be there.

OUr conference has a ton of good coaches. Campbell is one of them. They had a great plan against us tonight, and had their players made some plays they should have made, they'd have won in Norman. We are likely going to have to play without Ealy for awhile. OUr OLine wasn't very good when he was absent earlier in the year.

The wheels are falling off. It's to a lesser extent, but Jalen at OU looks a little like Baker in Cleveland. Not trusting the OL, he's uncomfortable in the pocket. Jalen's solution is to take off running. He can get away with that some. But he's not serving the offense well.

LR looked pissed afterward.

So what happens with the SEC matters less to me.We will be lucky to play on New Year's Day.

It's not the strength of schedule of the SEC, it's the post season history and the number of national championships in this century the endears the SEC to the media.
Agree with you about the wheels falling off and it seems to me that OU is now in a "win ugly" mode.
Contrary to some beliefs, it will take a few seasons for Grinch to fulfill the goal of building a defense capable of at least playoff caliber.
While Alabama yielded 46 points last night to LSU and perhaps the best QB in CFB, Saban's defensive recruiting will remain status quo. But for OU, last night's 42-41 win is just another eye sore in attracting defensive studs.
89 points in the last two games tells me that there will be more high scoring shootouts in OU's last three games.