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Tgar

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And apparently, due to our participation in today’s event, Mexico is less safe for American tourists. That is a shame.
 

Tgar

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They're gonna get more than "participation" soon if they don't tone it down.
Unfortunately, Guadalajara is one of the host cities for this summer’s World Cup. IMHO, us being involved in their internal affairs will Not deliver positive results. seems like bd timing.

it is what it is.

BTW, what does “ They’re gonna get more than “participation” if they don’t tone it down “ mean exactly?
 

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Unfortunately, Guadalajara is one of the host cities for this summer’s World Cup. IMHO, us being involved in their internal affairs will Not deliver positive results. seems like bd timing.

it is what it is.

BTW, what does “ They’re gonna get more than “participation” if they don’t tone it down “ mean exactly?

Unfortunately, Guadalajara is one of the host cities for this summer’s World Cup. IMHO, us being involved in their internal affairs will Not deliver positive results. seems like bd timing.

it is what it is.

BTW, what does “ They’re gonna get more than “participation” if they don’t tone it down “ mean exactly?
I seriously doubt that you don't know the answer to your own question.
 
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Yeah, Americans stop using drugs. Oh, wait…….
You make a good point. Much easier to make headlines bullying the "source" of drugs than to address the root causes of our nation's insatiable "demand" for drugs. I realize that the reasons are quite complex, but I've always wondered why in the world would someone want to voluntarily court pure hell and even risk death by ever initially taking drugs.
 

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The leader of one of the largest, if not the largest, drug cartels in the world - the largest producer and "exporter" of fentanyl to the US - is taken out by Mexican military/LE.

The action may have been supported with intel from US agencies.

The appropriate reaction is, obviously, 👏.


How big of an impact will that action have? Who knows - and certainly there are many other steps required/available to reduce the destruction caused by drugs like fentanyl (greater border security, enhanced law enforcement efforts, locating and arresting cartel members within US borders, etc etc - the list would be a long one, and any reasonable people could add more to it.)
Minimizing the impact of drugs like fentanyl will take much, much more - consistently and thoroughly - but, clearly and obviously, taking out the cartel leadership at its head is an important, positive, and necessary step.
 

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There will be supply as long as there is demand. It's not complicated, but the will to do what is really needed isn't there.

It's easier to blame the other and give ourselves a pass.
 

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There will be supply as long as there is demand. It's not complicated, but the will to do what is really needed isn't there.

It's easier to blame the other and give ourselves a pass.
Fentanyl is different. This isn't Mexican brown weed from the 70's. The concentration and the strength of it makes it easy to transport and easy to cut. People die every hour from this stuff, and they're not suicidal.
 
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Fentanyl is different. This isn't Mexican brown weed from the 70's. The concentration and the strength of it makes it easy to transport and easy to cut. People die every hour from this stuff, and they're not suicidal.
yes, the drug is different- but the underlying problem is still demand
 

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Yeah, Americans stop using drugs. Oh, wait…….


You make a good point. Much easier to make headlines bullying the "source" of drugs than to address the root causes of our nation's insatiable "demand" for drugs. I realize that the reasons are quite complex, but I've always wondered why in the world would someone want to voluntarily court pure hell and even risk death by ever initially taking drugs.

That is probably what Purdue Pharma guy said. It wasn't his fault. It was the oxy addicts fault for buying the drugs.
 
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That is probably what Purdue Pharma guy said. It wasn't his fault. It was the oxy addicts fault for buying the drugs.
Purdue pharma probably did more damage than the drug cartels, yet no one was even criminally charged let alone sent to prison.
 

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Purdue pharma probably did more damage than the drug cartels, yet no one was even criminally charged let alone sent to prison.
It is, of course, unrelated to the current matter of a drug cartel chief being eliminated: But, IIRC:

In addition to the very complex and impactful case regarding "shielding through bankruptcy" Purdue Pharma bankruptcy: How the Supreme Court decision may impact victims | CNN Business - which led to a very interesting SCOTUS ruling (different people will have different takes on that ruling - including, of course, the Justices themselves... it was a 5-4 ruling), there was at least one person involved in that Purdue fiasco who was sentenced to prison time.
That person was the Purdue Pharma consultant at McKinsey (some folks, I am sure, are very familiar with McKinsey). IIRC, He was criminally convicted and sentenced to federal prison (For a relatively short time. 1 year? Something like that). Plenty of others who, I am sure, a lot of folks would have liked to have seen spend time in the clink. But a lot of very interesting cases came in the fallout of that bit.

I am not aware of any others convicted of criminal violations/given prison time..... but that is OTTOMH.
 
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