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BigBoyBlueMMA

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I have some REAL issues with CMS decisions on Saturday as the DC

1) If your players are not elite talent or very good talent you do not use a 2 Gap DL but an aggressive 1 gap DL front technique/scheme - he used a 1 gap technique even at Florida State so why use the 2 Gap here?

2) If your secondary is the strength of your D and your DL and LB don't get great pressure using the 2 gap scheme - then WHY IN THE WORLD do you call zone blitzes when your strength is MAN 2 MAN FOR SHORT PERIODS OF TIME - I saw way to many WR find open spots in a zone because it took too long for pressure - M2M assist the DL make the QB make quicker decisions with less pressure.

3) HOW IN THE HECK DOES A TEAM NOT KNOW WHERE TO LINE UP IN THE 3RD GAME!!!!

I just do not believe he is this elite DC as his bend not break 2 gapper scheme WILL NOT WORK and it especially will not work in the 3-4 alignment.

Thank yo all for letting me vent
 
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BigBoyBlueMMA

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aikenite4uk said:
I agree completely with the OP...
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Is there any way you could tell my wife how easy it was to say that?
 
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wildcatdon

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If Bob Stoops is fired after this season at Oklahoma how about him as DC here next year? Mark Stoops will still be here next year so why not?
 
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JHB4UK

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I think I can tell the changes Stoops was trying to implement on the fly Saturday. because our pass rush is nonexistent our corners can't cover receivers forever no matter how good they are. so he is trying to back lots of guys back in a soft zone while crowding the LOS, tempting the opposition to throw the ball short for easy open completions. The goal for UK's defense is either (1)a bad throw can be broken up or picked off by our secondary closing in from their zone, or (2)the offense has to march the ball in a disciplined patient style down the field for 10, 12 plays with zero explosive action.

it is a sound strategery...but damn, they should not have had to wait until game 3 to come up with this plan of action. & it should not have taken the head coach stepping in & doing it himself.
 
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21Goose

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The problem with our defense is we have very little talent on the defensive line. What talent is there has to play too many snaps because there is no depth. This staff has recruited pretty well at the skill positions and our defensive backs are above average but they can not cover forever. Also it would help if we could get lined up correctly.
 
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OFortuna

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3) HOW IN THE HECK DOES A TEAM NOT KNOW WHERE TO LINE UP IN THE 3RD GAME!!!!

The third game of the FOURTH YEAR of your "system." It is both sad and comical to watch. We either have kids with learning disabilities or a monumental failure to teach.
 
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JW PRPcoach

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I hear ya JBH - I noticed that as well
It isn't a bad strategy on 3rd and long - but we are still giving up WAY too much rushing yds.
I would love Stoops to put his money where is mouth is. All we heard is how good our secondary is - on 1st downs line up in cover 1, put extra guys in the box, and try to stop the run.
If we give up a big play or two, so be it
 
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mrhotdice

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The problemmwithnthe defense is one, we have no quickness, and two, we play the 3-4 defense which requires quickness to be good.

As far as what Stoops ran at FSU it was a 4-3 and he had quick players at every position.

Size can be made with a red shirt and technique can be learned over time but either you have quickness or you don't. It can't be learned, case in point Elam.
 
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bigblueinsanity_rivals250340

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Our players aren't mentally prepared due to lack of proper development and coaching. That's pretty clear.

This defensive staff is probably excellent at making calls. But in terms of developing their players understanding of the game, they're beyond awful.
 
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WildCard

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I tend to agree with the OP, especially about 1 gap vs 2 gap DL play. One gap techniques allow the DLs to be aggressive in defending your assigned gap rather than "read and flow". You really have to be pretty darn talented to effective play read and flow technique.

However, if you are getting run over up front, zone coverages generally leave the secondary in "better shape" to help against the run.

It is sometimes hard to pick up the coverage from these TV angles but the Cats evidently played a lot of zone. I missed the first half when NMSU did most of their work. But they were held to 151 yards and 1 score in the second half and that is not too shabby work by the defense.

IIRC in his call in show he mentioned Cover 4 and allowing too big of a hole between the secondary and the LB zone drops. Stoops came in with a rep as a "Cover 3 guy" despite a treasure trove of talent at FSU. I refuse to use the phrase "bend but don't break" but he does seem to have a "don't get beat deep, keep everything in front of you" defensive mentality. That is a good strategy when your defense is "more talented" than the opposing offense. Otherwise, you probably have to take some chances on defense. JMO.

Peace
 
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bratboy

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Like I said before, the coaches teaching our defensive guys to play big boy defense, aren't very good teachers!
 
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Beatle Bum

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JHB4UK said:
I think I can tell the changes Stoops was trying to implement on the fly Saturday. because our pass rush is nonexistent our corners can't cover receivers forever no matter how good they are. so he is trying to back lots of guys back in a soft zone while crowding the LOS, tempting the opposition to throw the ball short for easy open completions. The goal for UK's defense is either (1)a bad throw can be broken up or picked off by our secondary closing in from their zone, or (2)the offense has to march the ball in a disciplined patient style down the field for 10, 12 plays with zero explosive action.

it is a sound strategery...but damn, they should not have had to wait until game 3 to come up with this plan of action. & it should not have taken the head coach stepping in & doing it himself.
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The defense gave up a lot of points in the first half. A ridiculous number. But, then only have up 7 in the second half, making one goalline stand (INT). Something changed. Stoops said that Eliot had good offerings from the box at halftime. whatevet changed provides a measure of hope moving forward.
 
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Beatle Bum

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It also appears that we gave up about 151 yards in the second half. If that calculation is correct, we gave up almost 350 in the first half. That suggests something changed. Maybe they got tired? If so, that would mean we were better conditioned and no one would want to admit to that. So, we might be able to take some thing positive from the second half. Just not sure what.
 
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gamecockcat

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I'm still not sold on the secondary. Already in 3 games we have seen numerous plays where our DBs were nowhere near the WR. Completely lost in coverage. Either a misread, just plain got beat or didn't know the coverage from the snap. Tackling is a big problem in the secondary. Baity looks like he's regressed. Edwards seems to have the innate ability to always choose the most awkward angle. Westry doesn't seem to want to make a tackle - a very, very poor man's Deion Sanders. All in all, I've been very disappointed in the entire group who were much ballyhooed in spring and fall practice.
 
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Mojocat_rivals48469

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gamecockcat said:
I'm still not sold on the secondary.
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think this is key. everyone knew the front 7 would be poor, but most -- even the coaches, if you read between the lines - thought the linebacker group would improve and the secondary would be a strength from day 1. the front 4 has been as bad or maybe even worse than expected, the linebackers show little sign of improvement (as a group), and the back 4 have been disappointing for the most part. what you get is what you got.
 
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lex cath

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JHB4UK said:
I think I can tell the changes Stoops was trying to implement on the fly Saturday. because our pass rush is nonexistent our corners can't cover receivers forever no matter how good they are. so he is trying to back lots of guys back in a soft zone while crowding the LOS, tempting the opposition to throw the ball short for easy open completions. The goal for UK's defense is either (1)a bad throw can be broken up or picked off by our secondary closing in from their zone, or (2)the offense has to march the ball in a disciplined patient style down the field for 10, 12 plays with zero explosive action.

it is a sound strategery...but damn, they should not have had to wait until game 3 to come up with this plan of action. & it should not have taken the head coach stepping in & doing it himself.
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JB I'm glad you brought up the secondary, didn't we hear all off season this was the best talent in the SEC ? Shutdown corners and quick to flight DB's ?
 
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Glenn Fohr

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MrHotDice said:
The problemmwithnthe defense is one, we have no quickness, and two, we play the 3-4 defense which requires quickness to be good.

As far as what Stoops ran at FSU it was a 4-3 and he had quick players at every position.

Size can be made with a red shirt and technique can be learned over time but either you have quickness or you don't. It can't be learned, case in point Elam.
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Yep, 4-3 down there. We should run it here. our guys are better equipped to run it.
 
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