NBA gambling

Wayne Dougan

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I like to gamble, but all this legalized gambling comes with a societal cost, just like alcohol, tobacco and legal pot. Can't pretend that it does not exist. This is just one example.

Certain things like weed, pot and sports gambling were best left on the fringes of society. It was best when you had to make an effort to get access to it. For example, gambling was better when if you really wanted to do it, you had to go find a bookie and could only place game line bets and a few parlays. This on demand, bet every possible combination from your phone is VERY bad for society.
 

Tskware

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Certain things like weed, pot and sports gambling were best left on the fringes of society. It was best when you had to make an effort to get access to it. For example, gambling was better when if you really wanted to do it, you had to go find a bookie and could only place game line bets and a few parlays. This on demand, bet every possible combination from your phone is VERY bad for society.
One benefit I do see to legalized gambling is it makes it easier to spot fraud, which is how some of these crimes came to light. Alabama's baseball coach got fired a couple of years ago because a buddy of his tried to bet twenty thousand dollars at a cincinnati casino after being tipped off that.Their star pitcher was not going to pitch on friday night. That kind of bet on one college baseball game raised all kinds of red flags
 
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Wayne Dougan

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One benefit I do see to legalized gambling is it makes it easier to spot fraud, which is how some of these crimes came to light. Alabama's baseball coach got fired a couple of years ago because a buddy of his tried to bet twenty thousand dollars at a cincinnati casino after being tipped off that.Their star pitcher was not going to pitch on friday night. That kind of bet on one college baseball game raised all kinds of red flags
Yeah, that totally makes up for a significant increase in bankruptcies, divorces, and misery due to online gambling.
 

Tskware

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Yeah, that totally makes up for a significant increase in bankruptcies, divorces, and misery due to online gambling.
I don't mean that, obviously it does not.But gambling has been around since human beings were invented.Hell, I was going to Keeneland when I was six years old. And men were blowing their paychecks there and at local bars 70 or 80 years ago, no different than today. It's just a lot more widespread with legalized gambling.
 

Wayne Dougan

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I don't mean that, obviously it does not.But gambling has been around since human beings were invented.Hell, I was going to Keeneland when I was six years old. And men were blowing their paychecks there and at local bars 70 or 80 years ago, no different than today. It's just a lot more widespread with legalized gambling.
It's different today because back in the day you physically had to go somewhere to place a bet. And it was only open at certain times. Now you can bet from anywhere 24 hours a day. That's the difference.

I think they should make it where you can gamble from physical locations only.
 

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Yeah, that totally makes up for a significant increase in bankruptcies, divorces, and misery due to online gambling.
If they didn't lose all of their money gambling, they would just blow it on coke or some other vice. Self restraint is on the person betting, not the people playing said sports they bet on. If you lose, it is on you, not ANYONE else.
 
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American Dragon

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Certain things like weed, pot and sports gambling were best left on the fringes of society. It was best when you had to make an effort to get access to it. For example, gambling was better when if you really wanted to do it, you had to go find a bookie and could only place game line bets and a few parlays. This on demand, bet every possible combination from your phone is VERY bad for society.
Setting aside the illegalities that come up with sports gambling, it's very easy to get addicted and cause financial ruin. I used to do FanDuel. I would only do tiny entry fee games, like $1-$2, so I wouldn't lose all my money. I got lucky one time and turned one of those $1-$2 entries into $100 early into my FanDuel "career."

Then I caught myself going "I need to start doing bigger money games so I can win more money" and had the foresight to see the red flag and cashed out before ever playing again. Lord knows how much money I would have blown thru if I had listened to the devil on my shoulder.
 

Wayne Dougan

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Setting aside the illegalities that come up with sports gambling, it's very easy to get addicted and cause financial ruin. I used to do FanDuel. I would only do tiny entry fee games, like $1-$2, so I wouldn't lose all my money. I got lucky one time and turned one of those $1-$2 entries into $100 early into my FanDuel "career."

Then I caught myself going "I need to start doing bigger money games so I can win more money" and had the foresight to see the red flag and cashed out before ever playing again. Lord knows how much money I would have blown thru if I had listened to the devil on my shoulder.
100% smart... look, I'm not some teetotaler who is against people exercising personal freedoms. But there's a reason why societies for 1000's of years tried to make vices illegal or at least more difficult to consume. And that's what I think needs to happen with booze, drugs and porn. It shouldn't be easy to come across this stuff on your phone or corner store.
 
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Wayne Dougan

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If they didn't lose all of their money gambling, they would just blow it on coke or some other vice. Self restraint is on the person betting, not the people playing said sports they bet on. If you lose, it is on you, not ANYONE else.
We have real data that shows you are incorrect. Mississippi and Alabama are very similar states that had similar rates of income, bankruptcies, divorces, etc. Mississippi allowed sports betting. Alabama did not. From the time Mississippi allowed sports betting, there was a continual rise in bankruptcies, divorces and domestic violence. Alabama stayed flat. So we can prove that gambling caused this problem and that they wouldn't have just have gotten into coke or some other vice.
 

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We have real data that shows you are incorrect. Mississippi and Alabama are very similar states that had similar rates of income, bankruptcies, divorces, etc. Mississippi allowed sports betting. Alabama did not. From the time Mississippi allowed sports betting, there was a continual rise in bankruptcies, divorces and domestic violence. Alabama stayed flat. So we can prove that gambling caused this problem and that they wouldn't have just have gotten into coke or some other vice.
I have no doubt that you are correct, so this is not snarky when I ask - do you have a link so I can learn more?
 

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Willing to bet Wayne is correct...but I can't and don't control the decision-making skills of others, let alone those in other poor states. Everyone gets a life of choices. We're all going to make the wrong choices occasionally but that's on us as individuals. I don't drink or smoke and I'll do a little carb weekend once a month. If I want to pick my phone up and make a couple bets tomorrow during college football and again on Sunday morning for the NFL, I don't need the guilt trip of others elsewhere who can't handle that responsibility. Be an adult.

On a side note, it was hilarious listening to Bill Simmons this morning downplay the scandal in the NBA because his pod is sponsored by gambling apps/sites and he loves doing it.
 

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Yeah, that totally makes up for a significant increase in bankruptcies, divorces, and misery due to online gambling.
Young males are particularly vulnerable, creating many problems for their parents and families.
 

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100% smart... look, I'm not some teetotaler who is against people exercising personal freedoms. But there's a reason why societies for 1000's of years tried to make vices illegal or at least more difficult to consume. And that's what I think needs to happen with booze, drugs and porn. It shouldn't be easy to come across this stuff on your phone or corner store.
Yes, we need to create more crimes & criminals & lock more people up. Prohibition was such a great success. I mean why did we ever do away with it???
 

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Given that even before we had fully legalized sports betting in Ky, we had horse racing for many decades and the lottery (biggest sucker bet of all, by the way), it is hard to rationally argue that we should not be allowed to bet on other sports as well. It is hypocritical to support one or more gambling opportunities, but not others.

In a perfect world, I guess you could make the argument that no one would drink, or smoke, or cuss, or gamble, but it is a long way from a perfect world.
 
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Wayne Dougan

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Given that even before we had fully legalized sports betting in Ky, we had horse racing for many decades and the lottery (biggest sucker bet of all, by the way), it is hard to rationally argue that we should not be allowed to bet on other sports as well. It is hypocritical to support one or more gambling opportunities, but not others.

Some of you guys missed my point. I didn't say this stuff should be outright banned. I just think there should be friction that makes it harder to access it. Specifically, for sports betting, you should have to go somewhere to do it, which was the case up until about 15 years ago. Same thing for porn (you would have to get it in the mail or drive to a porn shop).

Access to it gambling on your phone makes it 1) so much easier to do and 2) impossible to quit.
 

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Young males are particularly vulnerable, creating many problems for their parents and families.
Nobody is fixing the WNBA?

Those refs make John Higgins look good.

I think it is incompetence though.

Nobody will ever convince me that John Higgins didn't purposely do what he did in 2017.
 
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ROGUE_

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I’m with Wayne. I’m not some teetotaler with vices by any means and think people deserve to make decisions. But it shouldn’t be felt able to do from a phone for anyone over 18. This will crush families at a much higher rate than many other things. Parents will go bankrupt to bail out their kids. When I was last bartending it was incredible that literally 90% of males at the bar had money on games and would make more on games sitting there. 10 years ago a few guys had money with a bookie and that was it.

It didn’t provide a benefit to society by introducing free will to go bankrupt for millions of people. Weed at least took out the cartels (crime murder bribery extortion etc not just people selling weed) from making money off of it, plus no one truly runs their life with weed.

Gambling should be legal but you should have to drive somewhere or something to do it.

Hell I’m a believer in the second amendment, although I think it should be harder to get guns now but that’s another conversation, but I bought an AR 15 a decade ago sitting at a bar on my phone. That shouldn’t be possible in my opinion either. You have to have laws that allow these things but also regulate them.

I promise you bankruptcy is going to skyrocket related to gambling in the next decade. It’s creating a huge population of gamblers that previously would’ve never Bert in a game if before the bar they had to go down to a physical store to place a bet. But note they can throw down 10K while drunk and not remember it. In no way does that benefit anyone but the business that owns the website/gambling.
 
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WildcatFan1982

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I understand why gambling is addictive. The first time I went to a casino I put some money in a slot machine and won $1000. So off course I wanted to keep going. Luckily my dad was with me so he said to tip the waitress with whatever the extra was (it was like $11,20) and put the rest in my wallet and then just hang out and have a drink. I was annoyed but he was 100% right (this is my pos birth dad, literally the only smart thing the man has ever said to me)

so luckily after that initial rush it was pretty easy to avoid getting hooked.

Maybe do some sort of ‘scared straight’ program before you’re allowed to gamble
 

Get Buckets

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Some of you guys missed my point. I didn't say this stuff should be outright banned. I just think there should be friction that makes it harder to access it. Specifically, for sports betting, you should have to go somewhere to do it, which was the case up until about 15 years ago. Same thing for porn (you would have to get it in the mail or drive to a porn shop).

Access to it gambling on your phone makes it 1) so much easier to do and 2) impossible to quit.
So should we make everything that is harmful to health or finances less convenient (I.e. alcohol, soda, tobacco, fast food)?
 

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So should we make everything that is harmful to health or finances less convenient (I.e. alcohol, soda, tobacco, fast food)?
Yes. Tax the **** out of it. Use some of that money to subsidize healthy foods which in general are much more expensive. If you want to destroy your body and likely end up with the rest of the citizenry paying for your medical bills then yes you should pay for that up front. No one needs that stuff, they just want it.
 

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Maybe we should criminalize cell phones and that would take care of the gambling and porn problem.
 

ROGUE_

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Maybe we should criminalize cell phones and that would take care of the gambling and porn problem.
I mean, people on their phones all day is definitely a problem and causing issues but they’re just a vehicle. Tax bets and cigs and booze and all that stuff. If you want to use it no problem but you’re going to subsidize your own demise at least.
 

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So should we make everything that is harmful to health or finances less convenient (I.e. alcohol, soda, tobacco, fast food)?
If you could assure me that in no way would I have to pay for the effects that these have on other people, I’d say no. Live and let live.

But it doesn’t work that way.

I used to think that people could just do what they want. Then I realized I was being forced to subsidize their choices. It starts to hit different over time.
 

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If you could assure me that in no way would I have to pay for the effects that these have on other people, I’d say no. Live and let live.

But it doesn’t work that way.

I used to think that people could just do what they want. Then I realized I was being forced to subsidize their choices. It starts to hit different over time.
Some companies add an extra premium to medical insurance if you are a tobacco user.
 

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Some companies add an extra premium to medical insurance if you are a tobacco user.
If they can prove it. People can quit for a week or two and beat those tests to save a **** ton of money. Still doesn’t do anything for booze and fast food consumers though.
 

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And with insurance premiums about to skyrocket, more people are going to be uninsured that still use all this stuff that is detrimental to their health. And yes, losing bets/money stresses the body like a muhhhfugggger and will make you way less healthy as well.
 

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I don't care if all sports are fixed. I don't bet on them. Let the bettors be suckers as far as I'm concerned.
 
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In all reality, you are correct. Every bet is a suckers bet because NONE of those people are winning over the long haul. I get it for making games more entertainment but if anyone uses it for making a profit they’re lying to themselves.

So yes, if you want to gamble that’s fine but you should totally be taxed on it just like someone pays taxes on buying a concert or theatre ticket.
 

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Given that even before we had fully legalized sports betting in Ky, we had horse racing for many decades and the lottery (biggest sucker bet of all, by the way), it is hard to rationally argue that we should not be allowed to bet on other sports as well. It is hypocritical to support one or more gambling opportunities, but not others.

In a perfect world, I guess you could make the argument that no one would drink, or smoke, or cuss, or gamble, but it is a long way from a perfect world.
Lotteries are scams. It took decades for my parents to finally stop participating despite all my attempts to convince them to stop.

They never went crazy with it, just buying one ticket per drawing, maybe two if the jackpot got really big, for whatever the big game was at the time. Literally thousands of dollars down the drain.

They didn’t stop until this year when the cost per drawing went up to something like $5, I believe.
 

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If they can prove it. People can quit for a week or two and beat those tests to save a **** ton of money. Still doesn’t do anything for booze and fast food consumers though.
Only way to beat a randomized drug test for tobacco is to quit doing it. Smoked last night and get the call you got to be at the lab in a couple days? Well you’re failing the drug test buddy.
 

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And with insurance premiums about to skyrocket, more people are going to be uninsured that still use all this stuff that is detrimental to their health. And yes, losing bets/money stresses the body like a muhhhfugggger and will make you way less healthy as well.
And more uninsured people just means health insurance premiums are going to increase even more due to that as well.

Say what you want about Medicaid, but cutting more people off from it is going to raise the prices of healthcare for everyone in the long run - higher premiums, less access, less competition (thus less incentive to compete on price), etc.
 
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ROGUE_

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And more uninsured people just means health insurance premiums are going to increase even more due to that as well.

Say what you want about Medicaid, but cutting more people off from it is going to raise the prices of healthcare for everyone in the long run - higher premiums, less access, less competition (thus less incentive to compete on price), etc.
Totally agree. Also, taking money away from poorer people’s ability to pay health insurance so they can fund the tax cut for billionaires is insanity. Anyone that thinks they’re going to save money or get more back or whatever because they’re taking health insurance away from people are cutting off their nose to spite their face. But I digress.
Only way to beat a randomized drug test for tobacco is to quit doing it. Smoked last night and get the call you got to be at the lab in a couple days? Well you’re failing the drug test buddy.
I didn’t know they were randomized, I’ve never been tested but that would make much more sense.
 

American Dragon

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Totally agree. Also, taking money away from poorer people’s ability to pay health insurance so they can fund the tax cut for billionaires is insanity. Anyone that thinks they’re going to save money or get more back or whatever because they’re taking health insurance away from people are cutting off their nose to spite their face. But I digress.

I didn’t know they were randomized, I’ve never been tested but that would make much more sense.
Well I can’t vouch for how every company does it, but where I am it’s randomized. Otherwise and you’re just wasting your money on the drug test unless the tobacco user is an idiot.

It used to be here you weren’t even allowed to work here and be a tobacco user, but when they started facing staffing problems, they changed it to where you got to pay more for insurance to be a smoker. I can’t remember how much it is but it’s quite significant.

Everyone gets drug tested once they accept a job offer, and tobacco is one of the things they test for, so the company will know from day one if you’re a user or not.

If a person is trying to quit so they can avoid paying the increased premium, the only way they can get out of paying higher insurance premiums is to prove they are going thru a quitters program AND submit to randomized drug tobacco testing into perpetuity.

If they fail to provide proof of attendance for the program, fail a drug test, or don’t show up for the test, they are stuck paying the increased premium until they can get back on track.

The only loophole here is if you start smoking after starting work. You could then just lie at open enrollment and say you don’t smoke.