NCAAT Committee Chair Just Said

[fisherscat]

To the question of potentially having Wisconsin as a #2 seed in Kentucky's region: "We're not going to abandon our processes and principles regarding geography." He said they would revisit the process during the summer but for now they would focus on geography. He also said something else that was interesting...that since they started ranking teams and focusing on geography in 2012 that it's never worked out where the top 1 seed as been paired with the top 2 seed. So who knows?

Assuming 2 seeds are: Arizona, Wisconsin, Gonzaga, and Kansas.

The regionals are in LA, Cleveland, Syracuse, and Houston. You could argue that Gonzaga would be in Houston, Kansas in Cleveland, Arizona in LA, and Wisconsin in Syracuse.

Villanova as a 1 and Gonzaga as a 2 might actually work out for Kentucky because in this scenario there is no perfect geographical scenario.

This post was edited on 3/8 1:14 PM by FishersBlue

 

[RACdad]

,he all but said Wisconsin will be our 2 seed

 

[Saguaro Cat]

Where was this?

If I am him,I start to wonder what I'm doing wrong where my number one and two seeds aren't meeting at all. Am I picking the wrong ones, or am I not protecting them with fair matches.

 

[fisherscat]

Not really. He also said the top 1 hasn't played the top 2 since they went to this system. And the problem people are forgetting is that you can't just think about Wisconsin when you think about geography. There will be 3 other 2 seeds. If Villanova is a 1 seed and Gonzaga a 2 seed then geography becomes a bit difficult.

 

[caneintally]

Originally posted by wildcatglenn:
,he all but said Wisconsin will be our 2 seed

Not really . But i think Wisconsin is a 1 seed when its all said and done anyway

 

[fisherscat]

He was on at halftime of the Memphis/Cincy game on CBS.

The more I think about it, I think Gonzaga and Villanova's seeding will shake up the geography. To be as fair as possible to the 2 seeds I think you might see this:

Midwest: Kentucky/Kansas
West: Virginia/Arizona
South: Duke/Gonzaga
East: Villanova/Wisconsin

 

[*dezyDECO*]

Whatever.

Somehow, it won't matter about the Zags being in Duke's bracket, though. Hope they have a really strong #3 in there.

 

[Violent Cuts]

If this is how they rank the teams, here is how it will play out.

1 Kentucky - Guaranteed Midwest (Cleveland)
2 Virginia - 1 Cleveland 2 Syracuse 3 Houston - Will be in East (Syracuse)
3 Villanova - 1 Syracuse 2 Cleveland 3 Houston - Will be in South (Houston)
4 Duke - 1 Cleveland 2 Syracuse 3 Houston - Will be in West (LA)
5 Arizona - 1 LA 2 Houston 3 Cleveland - Will be in West (LA)
6 Wisconsin - 1 Cleveland 2 Syracuse 3 Houston - Will be in Midwest (Cleveland)
7 Kansas - 1 Houston 2 Cleveland 3 Syracuse - Will be in South (Houston)
8 Gonzaga - 1 LA 2 Houston 3 Cleveland - Will be in East (Syracuse)

That would put the brackets as:
Midwest 1 Kentucky vs 6 Wisconsin East 2 Virginia vs 8 Gonzaga South 3 Viillanova vs 7 Kansas West 4 Duke vs 5 Arizona
It pretty much guarantees Kansas or Wisconsin will be our 2 seed, and almost assuredly Wisconsin unless they move to the 1 line. If so, UK would play whomever they replace (Duke, Nova, or Virginia)

Either way, it's completely stupid.

 

[Saguaro Cat]

Originally posted by FishersBlue:

Assuming 2 seeds are: Arizona, Wisconsin, Gonzaga, and Kansas.

The regionals are in LA, Cleveland, Syracuse, and Houston. You could argue that Gonzaga would be in Houston, Kansas in Cleveland, Arizona in LA, and Wisconsin

In your seeding scenario, you're assuming they would move everyone a little bit to share the pain. But I think they would instead put three real close and make one really hoof it. Arizona in L.A., kansas in Houston, Wisconsin in Cleveland, and Gonzaga goes all the way east.

That's what they did last year. Kansas only had to go to Memphis. Michigan to Indianapolis. Villanova to New York. And Wisconsin, as the weakest two, had to go all the way to Anaheim.

 

[fisherscat]

But you could argue Wisconsin sent out west was the best way to be as fair as possible. I suppose you could have sent Kansas out west, but it's not that big a difference.

 

[The_Answer1313_rivals]

Originally posted by Vandalayindustries:
If this is how they rank the teams, here is how it will play out.

1 Kentucky - Guaranteed Midwest (Cleveland)
2 Virginia - 1 Cleveland 2 Syracuse 3 Houston - Will be in East (Syracuse)
3 Villanova - 1 Syracuse 2 Cleveland 3 Houston - Will be in South (Houston)
4 Duke - 1 Cleveland 2 Syracuse 3 Houston - Will be in West (LA)
5 Arizona - 1 LA 2 Houston 3 Cleveland - Will be in West (LA)
6 Wisconsin - 1 Cleveland 2 Syracuse 3 Houston - Will be in Midwest (Cleveland)
7 Kansas - 1 Houston 2 Cleveland 3 Syracuse - Will be in South (Houston)
8 Gonzaga - 1 LA 2 Houston 3 Cleveland - Will be in East (Syracuse)

That would put the brackets as:
Midwest 1 Kentucky vs 6 Wisconsin East 2 Virginia vs 8 Gonzaga South 3 Viillanova vs 7 Kansas West 4 Duke vs 5 Arizona
It pretty much guarantees Kansas or Wisconsin will be our 2 seed, and almost assuredly Wisconsin unless they move to the 1 line. If so, UK would play whomever they replace (Duke, Nova, or Virginia)

Either way, it's completely stupid.

if the seed list is those rankings, i think your 100% right on where they go.

But guys all it takes is for a little movement on the seed line for it to NOT happening. Switch Wisconsin and Zaga in those rankings and Zags go MW and Wisconsin will go E.

 

[KingOfBBN]

Originally posted by FishersBlue:
But you could argue Wisconsin sent out west was the best way to be as fair as possible. I suppose you could have sent Kansas out west, but it's not that big a difference.

Going to be 2010 WVU all over again. Total BS, if you ask me. Wisconsin is the best 2 seed/should be 1 seed and they're going to get put in our bracket.

 

[Tummygoat]

If Wisconsin wins today, and wins the Big 10 tournament, I think they are a one seed over Villanova and possibly Virginia too if VA loses in ACC.

If Wisconsin loses today, well they are definitely going to be our 2 seed even with a Big 10 tournament championship. They might not be the best 2 seed at that point.

Duke is assured a 1 seed with wins over Wisconsin and Virginia on the road.

 

[fisherscat]

I think Arizona is the best 2 seed, not Wisconsin.

And if Virginia or Duke falls off the 1 line, I think it's more likely that Arizona moves to a 1 seed.

 

[Crawfords Corner]

Translation: Stopping Kentucky is the focus of this NCAA tournament. It's all good. You eventually have to beat the toughest of opponents to win it all, anyways. The Elite 8 will be the end for Wisconsin.

 

[Blueisbest]

If Wisconsin loses to Ohio State today that will pretty much kill their chances of being a #1 seed. Right now I see the 1 seeds as:

Kentucky
Duke
Virginia
Villanova

The 2 seeds are:

Arizona
Wisconsin
Gonzaga
Kansas

If Virginia were to stumble in the ACC tournament or Villanova happen to lose in the Big East, then Arizona and/or Wisconsin could possibly sneak into the 1's. You could conceivably see a team like Notre Dame or Maryland creep up to the 2 seeds with a strong performance.

 

[The_Answer1313_rivals]

Originally posted by FishersBlue:
I think Arizona is the best 2 seed, not Wisconsin.

And if Virginia or Duke falls off the 1 line, I think it's more likely that Arizona moves to a 1 seed.

Maybe......but those 3 losses they had were pretty bad losses when compared to Wisconsin.

 

[Rhavic]

If Virginia loses in the ACC tournament (And I'm sure that they will), I think they fall off the 1 seed and Wisconsin will move up.

 

[uk78_rivals88018]

Very difficult to see anyone else but Wisconsin as our 2 seed, although it would have made more sense and fairness that it be Kansas since you can argue their geography equally fits. But, you have to reward Wisconsin unless they have another surprising loss and place them reasonably.

 

[fisherscat]

Wisconsin lost to Rutgers. I know Kaminsky was out, but that is one brutal loss.

 

[The_Answer1313_rivals]

Originally posted by FishersBlue:
Wisconsin lost to Rutgers. I know Kaminsky was out, but that is one brutal loss.

True but the others were Duke and Maryland away.

I agree that Arizona is the better team, but I have a feeling the committee will go with Wisconsin over them when the seed list comes out.

Tho I have a feeling it won't matter much. UK, UVA, Duke and Nova IMO.

 

[goingpostal72]

it needs to go back to the old way of doing the brackets. rank the teams 1-68 and then #1 gets their closest geographic. Rinse repeat the 1 seeds. After the one seeds the rest of the teams are just gonna have to travel. Period. That is the reward for the season. Its total BS to keep one team closer to home and not honoring the seed system. If they honor geography over rankings/seeding then they should just take all the seeds and place them in groups of 16 closest to home and seed that way.

 

[akaukswoosh]

We shall see.

 

[CatEye2010]

Today's updated Joey Brackets still has W as our #2, but moves UL up to a #4 out West with Villanova. Mostly unchanged beyond that that I can tell.

 

[LordEgg_rivals16573]

We will whip Wisconsin. Put em wherever.

 

[fs-ripcord65]

Either Virginia or Duke HAS TO have one more loss -- in the ACC Tournament. IMHO, we will NOT see BOTH Virginia and Duke as No. 1 seeds.

 

[fisherscat]

I know Wisconsin is good, and a lot of folks are nervous about potentially playing them. But I still think Duke, Villanova, and Arizona are the 3 teams that worry me most from a matchup standpoint.

 

[Seth C]

I don't really care because frankly, Wisconsin is going to punk out before they'd ever make it to a regional final anyway.

 

[CatsRWild]

I thought the pods were supposed to help keep the brackets more balanced but now to say they are trying to focus on geography based on the overall regional site is BS and allows for bracket manipulation vs. balance and fairness. No doubt that last years bracket was set up for Wichita St to fail. Somehow we came out of that mess.

IMO you only shift seeds based on geography of the first round pod locations...after that too bad. If you have to travel farther to a Regional site then you should have been a 1 seed; not the 4th 2, 3 or 4 seeds.

Consideration for the Regional location shouldn't play a major role for anyone below a 1. If your the 4th 2 seed (8th best team) too bad you and your fans have to travel, win more games next year. That gives an advantage to the 1 seed in that bracket and rewards the top 1 seeds...like its supposed too.

 

[The_Answer1313_rivals]

The thing about Wisconsin is they play at that slow pace. When your the superior talent team you want more possessions so you can create separation.

IMO that's why they are scary.

only way to beat us is slow it down. And Wisconsin has been really really good on offense this year. It'll be interesting their offense vs our D

 

[bthaunert]

Originally posted by HeismanWildcat85:

Originally posted by FishersBlue:
But you could argue Wisconsin sent out west was the best way to be as fair as possible. I suppose you could have sent Kansas out west, but it's not that big a difference.

Going to be 2010 WVU all over again. Total BS, if you ask me. Wisconsin is the best 2 seed/should be 1 seed and they're going to get put in our bracket.

And I would be pissed if I was Wisconsin. Being the best 2 seed and getting paired with Kentucky.

 

[bigblueinsanity_rivals250340]

Originally posted by The_Answer1313:
The thing about Wisconsin is they play at that slow pace. When your the superior talent team you want more possessions so you can create separation.

IMO that's why they are scary.

only way to beat us is slow it down. And Wisconsin has been really really good on offense this year. It'll be interesting their offense vs our D

Exactly. That's why both Virginia and Wisconsin are the 2 that worry me most.

 

[LoganSacket]

I personally don't care who our 2 seed is. I guarantee they will be more upset about being in our bracket then we will be. after the first game or 2 if you don't show up you will be handed your walking papers. Cal is not going to let that happen. Our guys will be focused on the goal. Enjoy the rest of the season. Go Cats!

 

[8wouldbgreat]

Can't believe they would do Wisconsin that way.

 

[*dezyDECO*]

Originally posted by bigblueinsanity:

Originally posted by The_Answer1313:
The thing about Wisconsin is they play at that slow pace. When your the superior talent team you want more possessions so you can create separation.

IMO that's why they are scary.

only way to beat us is slow it down. And Wisconsin has been really really good on offense this year. It'll be interesting their offense vs our D

Exactly. That's why both Virginia and Wisconsin are the 2 that worry me most.

Yes. And if we get the calling-it-tight refs thrown into that situation... well... I don't even want to think about it.

 

[Himmels]

Then whats the reward for being the overall #1, if they base it on geography? The overall 1 should play the weakest 2, and so on.

 

[Seth C]

Ah! I see we are back to the "Kentucky is a top seed" rules. Whenever that happens they do their best to find a 2, 3, and 4 seed that are all closer geographically to the regional location than Kentucky is. Can't let us have a fan advantage. No, sir. Better that we be rewarded by having to beat two teams in their back yard.

 

[The_Answer1313_rivals]

Originally posted by bigblueinsanity:

Originally posted by The_Answer1313:
The thing about Wisconsin is they play at that slow pace. When your the superior talent team you want more possessions so you can create separation.

IMO that's why they are scary.

only way to beat us is slow it down. And Wisconsin has been really really good on offense this year. It'll be interesting their offense vs our D

Exactly. That's why both Virginia and Wisconsin are the 2 that worry me most.

The flipside to this tho is by playing at a slow pace when they are the superior team, they don't create as much separation.......could end up being candidates for upsets especially Wisconsin who's defensively efficiency hasn't been too good this year.

Teams good one one aspect and not the other tend to be the ones that end up getting upset. Not saying it will happen but it's possible all this talk will mean nothing because Wisconsin might be out before the regional final.

 

[Son_Of_Saul]

So Wisconsin, returning virtually everyone from a team that just as easily could have won it all last year, would be paired with the one of the best teams in the last 30 years?


Yeah, that will help the image of the NCAA. For sure.


Hell has created a new place for the NCAA and its employees.

 

[KA4Prez_rivals78700]

The worst-case scenario for UK, would be Ohio State winning today, and beating Wisconsin again next Saturday in the Big Ten Tournament. You would then possibly have Ohio State as a 4/5 and Wisconsin as a 2 in Cleveland. Geographically, this tournament is perfect for UK and will be a distinct homecourt advantage anywhere, but those 2 in that region would present a challenge. Ohio State has millions of fans and although 90% of them don't care about hoops, they would rally behind that game after what UK did to them 5 years ago.