Neal Brown "There's only one way to get it fixed"

[WVU_Dave]

LMFAO, there's a second way Neal, and it doesn't involve those you are suggesting. It's actually the polar opposite!

The only people that are going to fix it are inside this building and the only way it gets fixed is through work.

 

[Buckaineer]

Brown puts it all on the players. brown chose not to go for it on fourth down at Pitt with a lead, minutes left and a good running game going. That one decision by no one else but him has as much to do with where WVU is today than anything.

 

[EERs 3:16]

Where have we heard that line before??

Is Huggins going to sue for copyright infringement?

 

[westsiderSJHS77]

Brown puts it all on the players. brown chose not to go for it on fourth down at Pitt with a lead, minutes left and a good running game going. That one decision by no one else but him has as much to do with where WVU is today than anything.

How many coaches would you say would do the same thing? Punt the ball instead of risking turning it over at mid field.

 

[MichiganHerd]

How many coaches would you say would do the same thing? Punt the ball instead of risking turning it over at mid field.

It's one of those damned if you do, damned if you don't moments. Had they gone for it on 4th and 1, and not gotten it, I suspect the same fans giving him grief for not going for it would be the exact same ones giving him grief for going for it and not getting it. It's simply the way fans are.

 

[Buckaineer]

How many coaches would you say would do the same thing? Punt the ball instead of risking turning it over at mid field.

Winning coaches or losing coaches?

Brown is raking in $4 million a year in one of the poorest states to WIN. Not to play not to lose.

 

[BigLickMountee]

Brown puts it all on the players. brown chose not to go for it on fourth down at Pitt with a lead, minutes left and a good running game going. That one decision by no one else but him has as much to do with where WVU is today than anything.

you sound like you do not lead people or have responsibility in life. Okay I get it you are not a leader but a complainer at the water cooler.

the tasks of execution of a play fall on the player. the operation of executing a play falls on the coordinators. The strategic play calling falls on the head coach. The head coach cannot delegate the responsibility of the strategic but can delegate authority.

so the player has to catch the ball and not let it go into the hands of the opponent. The QB cannot throw the ball to get intercepted and taken in for a TD. The coordinators who coach these kids and the head coach put these kids in a position to execute. they didn't.

so when you are responsible for leading people to achieve something significant come back here and grandiose your under-achievement. otherwise just sit back and repost something from another web site to look important.

okay your break is over, get back to the cashier.

 

[jlaudiomaster]

Something else Shane Lyons shouldn’t have done is make any statement that wasn’t fully supportive of Neal Brown. I’m not saying we should have the same outlook but he just gave Brown an extension that was not earned. Stick with your decision and own it, especially this early on or don’t make a statement at all. Lyons is truly inept.

 

[Buckaineer]

you sound like you do not lead people or have responsibility in life. Okay I get it you are not a leader but a complainer at the water cooler.

the tasks of execution of a play fall on the player. the operation of executing a play falls on the coordinators. The strategic play calling falls on the head coach. The head coach cannot delegate the responsibility of the strategic but can delegate authority.

so the player has to catch the ball and not let it go into the hands of the opponent. The QB cannot throw the ball to get intercepted and taken in for a TD. The coordinators who coach these kids and the head coach put these kids in a position to execute. they didn't.

so when you are responsible for leading people to achieve something significant come back here and grandiose your under-achievement. otherwise just sit back and repost something from another web site to look important.

okay your break is over, get back to the cashier.

Asinine and untrue statements.

Brown is being paid millions to LEAD the team, not to just delegate everything. In the end the LEADER is the responsible party. If his delegators aren't getting it done--he decides if and what changes are made. Same with the players and playing time--its his ultimate decision, much like whether or not you go for it on fourth down at Pitt. The players didn't flub that up--Brown did.

Bottom line is WVU has become an irrelevant program under Brown at a critical time for the future of WVU football and in fact its entire athletic department. WVU cannot afford to sit back and do nothing much longer, its already been a disaster, caused by Brown and Lyons. WVU is in a bad spot to try and get out of this mess, but one of the ways to do it--winning--is essentially off the table with Brown at the helm.

He is not ordained as head football coach, he has to EARN the spot and he simply has failed miserably to do that.

The previous coach had WVU winning and improving and was villified stupidly and pushed out, its nothing short of astounding that anyone would now support one of the worst coaching hires in WVU history--its a complete disaster from which WVU football may never recover if something is not done soon.

 

[Tylerite]

Asinine and untrue statements.

Brown is being paid millions to LEAD the team, not to just delegate everything. In the end the LEADER is the responsible party. If his delegators aren't getting it done--he decides if and what changes are made. Same with the players and playing time--its his ultimate decision, much like whether or not you go for it on fourth down at Pitt. The players didn't flub that up--Brown did.

Bottom line is WVU has become an irrelevant program under Brown at a critical time for the future of WVU football and in fact its entire athletic department. WVU cannot afford to sit back and do nothing much longer, its already been a disaster, caused by Brown and Lyons. WVU is in a bad spot to try and get out of this mess, but one of the ways to do it--winning--is essentially off the table with Brown at the helm.

He is not ordained as head football coach, he has to EARN the spot and he simply has failed miserably to do that.

The previous coach had WVU winning and improving and was villified stupidly and pushed out, its nothing short of astounding that anyone would now support one of the worst coaching hires in WVU history--its a complete disaster from which WVU football may never recover if something is not done soon.

Just a question I have, why is it a critical time right now?

 

[Buckaineer]

Something else Shane Lyons shouldn’t have done is make any statement that wasn’t fully supportive of Neal Brown. I’m not saying we should have the same outlook but he just gave Brown an extension that was not earned. Stick with your decision and own it, especially this early on or don’t make a statement at all. Lyons is truly inept.

As some national media are beginning to comment, signing Brown to an extension and for such a huge amount was a terrible decision--placing the university in a terrible spot when clearly change is warranted and necessary for the future of the program.

It was an act of incompetence and has to reflect on Lyons emplyoment should Brown have to be fired.

 

[Buckaineer]

Just a question I have, why is it a critical time right now?

REALIGNMENT edit* AND REVENUES.

 

[Tylerite]

REALIGNMENT

BUT YOUR ARE ALL BIG12, and we are already in it. Or have you came to see the light?

 

[Buckaineer]

BUT YOUR ARE ALL BIG12, and we are already in it. Or have you came to see the light?

I don't know if you have your head buried in the sand, but realignment is not STATIC. It is constant and ongoing. WVU is in the BIG 12 now, but NEW members are coming into the BIG 12 and EXISTING members are getting better. If WVU falls behind all of them competitively, then where will that leave WVUs revenues and ability to compete as tv opportunities and the fanbase fall by the wayside with each loss?

WVU being bad doesn't help the BIG 12 conference get more lucrative contracts which are necessary to compete on the big stage, or to have more exposure or success as things change either.

Where will losing at this clip leave WVU when the next wave of realignment hits? Because it most definitely will at some point. It could be anything from the formation of just two superconferences, or it could be a breakaway from conferences of the most successful schools into a new division or even something outside the NCAA. Too early to tell yet what will happen, but the ONLY way WVU can remain relevant is by winning and winning alot.

Brown has demonstrated he is not going to lead WVU into whatever is coming, he is only pushing WVU down.

 

[Tylerite]

I don't know if you have your head buried in the sand, but realignment is not STATIC. It is constant and ongoing. WVU is in the BIG 12 now, but NEW members are coming into the BIG 12 and EXISTING members are getting better. If WVU falls behind all of them competitively, then where will that leave WVUs revenues and ability to compete as tv opportunities and the fanbase fall by the wayside with each loss?

WVU being bad doesn't help the BIG 12 conference get more lucrative contracts which are necessary to compete on the big stage, or to have more exposure or success as things change either.

Where will losing at this clip leave WVU when the next wave of realignment hits? Because it most definitely will at some point. It could be anything from the formation of just two superconferences, or it could be a breakaway from conferences of the most successful schools into a new division or even something outside the NCAA. Too early to tell yet what will happen, but the ONLY way WVU can remain relevant is by winning and winning alot.

Brown has demonstrated he is not going to lead WVU into whatever is coming, he is only pushing WVU down.

Yes, now you do see the , we need out of the Big12 and into the SEC.

 

[jlaudiomaster]

Speaking of fixing things, are we in agreement that the strength and conditioning program is where it needs to be? Seems to me that some of that year over year improvement that you would like to see from the trenches would fall on the S&C staff. I don’t know, but I do miss the players Barwis produced

 

[BigLickMountee]

Asinine and untrue statements.

Brown is being paid millions to LEAD the team, not to just delegate everything. In the end the LEADER is the responsible party. If his delegators aren't getting it done--he decides if and what changes are made. Same with the players and playing time--its his ultimate decision, much like whether or not you go for it on fourth down at Pitt. The players didn't flub that up--Brown did.

Bottom line is WVU has become an irrelevant program under Brown at a critical time for the future of WVU football and in fact its entire athletic department. WVU cannot afford to sit back and do nothing much longer, its already been a disaster, caused by Brown and Lyons. WVU is in a bad spot to try and get out of this mess, but one of the ways to do it--winning--is essentially off the table with Brown at the helm.

He is not ordained as head football coach, he has to EARN the spot and he simply has failed miserably to do that.

The previous coach had WVU winning and improving and was villified stupidly and pushed out, its nothing short of astounding that anyone would now support one of the worst coaching hires in WVU history--its a complete disaster from which WVU football may never recover if something is not done soon.

Learn to criticize Neal appropriately while criticizing the players as well.

You have no credibility to talk about vilifying others. You are an example of a villain. Congrats!

 

[Buckaineer]

Yes, now you do see the , we need out the Big12

No, WVU doesn't "need out of the BIG 12".

The BIG 12 is the best spot for WVU right now, and its also the ONLY option for WVU right now.
But as I have tried to voice for several years--things CHANGE.

WVU has to be prepared for CHANGE. Because that is out of their control. But it is coming.

Will WVU be back to winning 8, 9, 10, 11 games per season, maybe making some championships, maybe even an expanded playoff, or will they accept losing and stick with a losing coach?

Will they put themselves in position for future success, or end any chance of that?

 

[Buckaineer]

Learn to criticize Neal appropriately while criticizing the players as well.

You have no credibility to talk about vilifying others. You are an example of a villain. Congrats!

Yeah, when Holgorsen was coaching, there was no consideration of players making mistakes. Just slander and libel of one of the best coaches WVU has ever had, which eventually pushed him and his winning ways out. Players made mistakes then too, but no one was discussing that including you.

You have no credibility. You are trying to excuse away the lack of success of Neal Brown who was hired to WIN FOOTBALL GAMES and has performed at a terrible pace in that regard--losing record overall, worst start since 1979, losing record in conference, losing record against the P5. Only has 5 wins in two of three full regular seasons and has already lost every game so far this season including against KANSAS (one of the few hopes for a win). Losing record against winning teams. Started out with the worst rushing game, improved that barely but then transitioned to the most drops in all of college football. No oline improvement, had to have an OC brought in like Stewart to try to get more than 14 pts a game and wins (and of course now the D has fallen apart).

At some point change is a necessity. Excuses won't do anything but keep WVU in the dregs.

 

[BigLickMountee]

Yeah, when Holgorsen was coaching, there was no consideration of players making mistakes. Just slander and libel of one of the best coaches WVU has ever had, which eventually pushed him and his winning ways out. Players made mistakes then too, but no one was discussing that including you.

You have no credibility. You are trying to excuse away the lack of success of Neal Brown who was hired to WIN FOOTBALL GAMES and has performed at a terrible pace in that regard--losing record overall, worst start since 1979, losing record in conference, losing record against the P5. Only has 5 wins in two of three full regular seasons and has already lost every game so far this season including against KANSAS (one of the few hopes for a win). Losing record against winning teams. Started out with the worst rushing game, improved that barely but then transitioned to the most drops in all of college football. No oline improvement, had to have an OC brought in like Stewart to try to get more than 14 pts a game and wins (and of course now the D has fallen apart).

At some point change is a necessity. Excuses won't do anything but keep WVU in the dregs.

you remind me of the proselytizers in New Orleans.

This is your religion, your faith, your belief. Holgorsen is your God and this message board your alter.

I doubt we win 3 games this year.

Do you have a degree and where did you get it? and in what? LOL!

 

[Buckaineer]

you remind me of the proselytizers in New Orleans.

This is your religion, your faith, your belief. Holgorsen is your God and this message board your alter.

I doubt we win 3 games this year.

Do you have a degree and where did you get it? and in what? LOL!

Seems to me Brown is your faith and God.

Coaches are not gods btw. Neither are they entitled to permanent employment no matter results. They are paid extremely well to WIN football games, not so you can worship them.

I am a football fan that supports WVU football and under Dana Holgorsen WVU football won more games than under any other HC outside Nehlen who was coach far longer. Under Neal Brown WVU has had two five win seasons and one 6 win season, far below WVUs average number of wins and success rate. It ranks as one of the worst performances for a head coach at WVU historically.

Understand? Your need to worship Neal Brown is your problem. Him losing too many football games is a problem for WVU fans who prefer a winning program over coach worship and it’s a big problem for the administrators of the athletic dept. which depend on football for every sport to compete.

 

[westsiderSJHS77]

Winning coaches or losing coaches?

Brown is raking in $4 million a year in one of the poorest states to WIN. Not to play not to lose.

So you’re not going to answer the question. I said coaches.

Here is a little event that you may of missed. Nick Sabin and Alabama (I’m sure you heard of them) had a forth and short , he punted the ball away and Texas came back and took the lead with around 2 minutes left in the game.

Saban = Losing coach
Alabama = Dumpster Fire program

I see how your flawless logic works.

 

[Buckaineer]

So you’re not going to answer the question. I said coaches.

Here is a little event that you may of missed. Nick Sabin and Alabama (I’m sure you heard of them) had a forth and short , he punted the ball away and Texas came back and took the lead with around 2 minutes left in the game.

Saban = Losing coach
Alabama = Dumpster Fire program

I see how your flawless logic works.

Ok so since you couldn’t answer, winning coaches probably less than 3%, losing coaches probably more than 90%.

Of course I tend to look at actual data rather than emotionally spewing nonsense like you, so my belief of what other coaches might do is as irrelevant as your trolling.

All I know is what everyone knows. Brown was afraid to go for it on fourth down when he had the lead, the momentum and an RB that was killing Pitt. Then what he was afraid of if he went for it happened anyway and he lost yet another game as coach.

 

[WVUALLEN]

Brown puts it all on the players. brown chose not to go for it on fourth down at Pitt with a lead, minutes left and a good running game going. That one decision by no one else but him has as much to do with where WVU is today than anything.

I saw Alabama vs Texas with Alabama going for 4th and inches and they got stuffed not making the first down. Pretty sure Alabama has a great running game.

There was nearly 7 minutes left in the game. If the defense played like they did majority of the game Pitt doesn't score from their 8 yard line. Your argument is worthless.