Top 3 (in order)
Push out point
Reversal = 3 points
Lose challenge lose a point and your brick
Push out point
Reversal = 3 points
Lose challenge lose a point and your brick
Needed Rule Changes
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I love all 3 and especially 3. Too many bricks are thrown as lungers.
Especially in tournaments
I don’t love rewarding just pushing a guy and trying to score by pushing someone.
You should score on an offensive move IMO but I understand needing to get action and penalize inactive wrestlers. I think the currently stall rules aren’t bad in college.
You should score on an offensive move IMO but I understand needing to get action and penalize inactive wrestlers. I think the currently stall rules aren’t bad in college.
It's not so much attacking stalling as it is attacking edge wrestling which is a form of stalling.
Love 1 and 2, but what if instead of a lost point with a lost challenge it was something like giving opponent choice of position?
I get it but I still don’t like rewarding just pushing a guy out of bounds. That shouldn’t ever be a strategy to score points in wrestling. Especially if trying to grow the sport.
I get not constantly backing up but when a guy is just constantly pushing forward yet not really setting anything up I don’t think that is being more offensive either. This is not Sumo.
3 point options from bottom shouldn’t exist.
If you wanted 3 points, should’ve executed a TD.
I like the push out and challenge deal.
I agree on the idea, but honestly it’s still too subjective and has too much variance depending on the ref.
So why forever were takedowns and reversals the same value?
to create more offense which actually didn't happen. It actually allowed the first guy to get a TD to coast more.
The law of unintended consequences.
Agreed. A point is just too big of an edge. If I trusted refs to get it right on review then that would be one thing but I don’t. Coaches could be right on the review and still lose the challenge. That would put the kid at an huge disadvantage and could lose him the match.
That was the point of my post.
I do think it has created more scoring attempts, but elite guys competing are playing chess.
Last year, guys touching the floor out of bounds to get a restart was an issue. That should be called stalling every time. I never saw it penalized last year and it was grossly taken advantage of.
Because they wanted scores higher all I can think of . Reversal should be 3 as well I think.
No, they wanted to promote offensive Wrestling that promotes a little more resemblance to FS.
Promoting bottom Wrestling hurts us internationally.
Hahaha if that was the goal we would just change to freestyle. Haven't even added a step out yet
Changing to freestyle isn’t likely to ever happen.
I’m probably in the minority, but I like watching the edge wrestling. I think it should be stalling if constantly wrestling on the edge, but the occasional battle on the edge, to me, is exciting to see. It nearly has me leaning in my seat towards in or get out of bounds, depending on which one the OSU wrestler needs.
Right, so blend the rules as best you can to give our athletes the best shot?
NCAA has more viewers for the sport, bar none. It’s a great model for growing the sport and should be maximized.
The better the sport gets, here, is the reason to blend into FS AND Greco…which neither really favors the bottom Wrestler.
All that to say, a reverse needs to stay at 2.
We have been good at freestyle for years now and a takedown and a reversal were worth the same amount of points
You’re right and you winWe have been good at freestyle for years now and a takedown and a reversal were worth the same amount of points
Yeah, but if you take someone down, and they go directly to their back, it’s only 2 points. It could be that it’s not a throw, or the defender doesn’t leave his feet.
Every time I see it, I don’t understand how the offensive wrestler only gets 2 points. Not 2 for the takedown and 2 for the pack exposure. I could be wrong and maybe I miss-see it. In fact, I have thought that very thing, because I don’t hear other people bring it up.
I would like to see the stall warning removed and go directly to a penalty point. If you do not take a shot in 24 seconds in basketball or get a play off in 25 seconds in football, they penalize you immediately. There is no warning and then next time it is a penalty. Removing the stall warning would make guys a lot less willing to stall.
If someone hits a double leg and takes you from your feet to your back it's 4 . Feet to back in freestyle is 4
Agreed; I don't like the push out. It would embrace the "Iowa Style" of wrestling which I detest. Pushing is not wrestling. We already have stalling rule and a fleeing the mat rule. Those rules just need to be called correctly and consistently by the refs.
Conversely, I believe that if a wrestler purposely pushes his opponent of the mat it should be stalling (this may already be the case).
1 point for momentary back exposure could be a fun way to experiment with freestyle rules. Not into the pushout - agree with folks that edge wrestling is exciting.
Stalling is still so inconsistent though. There should be some kind of objective rule. Like if you don't take a shot in 30 seconds. I don't know the answer.
Stalling is still so inconsistent though. There should be some kind of objective rule. Like if you don't take a shot in 30 seconds. I don't know the answer.
There is no reason that a mandatory stall call happens in a scoreless period. Keeping the guys guessing if it will be them will cause more action and more points. I am so tired of guys "holding position" and waiting to score off an opponents shot.
Also, Anytime a guy goes from feet to back it should be tat least 2 points. Even if there is not control. Award taking chances.
Here's the changes I would love to make.
1. First takedown of the match earns the choice of starting position at the start of the next period
2. No takedowns in the first period - 2nd period start at neutral
3. 30 seconds of riding time max for any one ride, clock reset if back points are earned. No stall warnings if you are on bottom. You go flat and don't move and are hit with a stall call it's a point.
4. Reverse is worth 3 points.
Bottom line is I want to see action. I don't want to see guys like 165lb from Utah Valley get a victory for doing jack squat.
1. First takedown of the match earns the choice of starting position at the start of the next period
2. No takedowns in the first period - 2nd period start at neutral
3. 30 seconds of riding time max for any one ride, clock reset if back points are earned. No stall warnings if you are on bottom. You go flat and don't move and are hit with a stall call it's a point.
4. Reverse is worth 3 points.
Bottom line is I want to see action. I don't want to see guys like 165lb from Utah Valley get a victory for doing jack squat.
We don't need rule changes for that, just consistent refs and application of current rules.
I think rule changes would be easier than finding consistent refs.