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See I just don't see that. Are his antics somewhat out of line? Sometimes but I played multiple college sports and he is pretty normal. Do I agree he shouldn't have called them thugs and was. A bit hypocritical? Yeah but thress no way he could know what really happened prior to seeing video. Also, he warned his team adamantly about this. This all comes down to the RB not being satisfied being up 48-0 at half and making an extremely selfish decision to punch the opposing team after that got flagged and likely thrown out for targeting him. Hell yeah he has a right to be mad. He told them straight up the only way they lose the game is if **** goes down.... And 1 player ruined it for all 85.

If you don't think Cal, Stoops, Coach K, Saban act like that you are very mistaken. Cal called TJones a selfish mfer on live TV. Coach K told Kyrie to stfu on ESPN. That's how most great coaches act...and what's the commonality between them all? Success. Championships.
 
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#1 rule for anyone who has played any sort of high level competitive sport is "the refs always catch the retaliation".

Also I can't stand people that say him running scores up caused it. If you don't want him to RUN the score up, stop him. Plus the rankings use margin of victory as a metric.

Ladies and gentleman: the pussification of America....
 
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#1 rule for anyone who has played any sort of high level competitive sport is "the refs always catch the retaliation".

Also I can't stand people that say him running scores up caused it. If you don't want him to RUN the score up, stop him. Plus the rankings use margin of victory as a metric.

Ladies and gentleman: the pussification of America....

I really think him making the effort to run the score up as much as he tried in that particular game had to do with the pregame stuff of his assistant getting jacked up by the opposing player. There was already bad blood, this just made it worse.
 
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I really think him making the effort to run the score up as much as he tried in that particular game had to do with the pregame stuff of his assistant getting jacked up by the opposing player. There was already bad blood, this just made it worse.

I agree but multiple times through the movie they said margin of victory mattered. If I'd call any coach a crappy human being its be the opposing coach of that last game.
 
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On the 4th episode. Pretty enjoyable so far. A few things:

-Juco male cheerleaders?
-Tailgating and traveling to away games in Juco?
-The offensive coordinator is AWFUL.
-I'm guessing the academic adviser is banging at least a couple of the players.
 

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See I just don't see that. Are his antics somewhat out of line? Sometimes but I played multiple college sports and he is pretty normal. Do I agree he shouldn't have called them thugs and was. A bit hypocritical? Yeah but thress no way he could know what really happened prior to seeing video. Also, he warned his team adamantly about this. This all comes down to the RB not being satisfied being up 48-0 at half and making an extremely selfish decision to punch the opposing team after that got flagged and likely thrown out for targeting him. Hell yeah he has a right to be mad. He told them straight up the only way they lose the game is if **** goes down.... And 1 player ruined it for all 85.

If you don't think Cal, Stoops, Coach K, Saban act like that you are very mistaken. Cal called TJones a selfish mfer on live TV. Coach K told Kyrie to stfu on ESPN. That's how most great coaches act...and what's the commonality between them all? Success. Championships.

1) I don't mind at all a coach being hardnosed, dog-cussing his players, getting in their faces, challenging them, pushing them to be their best, etc. I do mind a coach who loses his head not once but twice in one season. He tried to fight the official one game-- earning a two-game suspension, and then he challenges the opposing coach to a fistfight that last game.

2) Plus, he knows the kids he's dealing with- they're mostly poor and not from good backgrounds. Calling them thugs and everything else was BS. You can chew them out without going that route. That's cutting too deep.

3) I don't want to hear the warnings crap. He directly contributed to the melee by letting his own pride get in the way of the game. It's one thing to NOT take a knee and run the ball up the middle when you're up big. It's quite another to try to further pour it on an already embarrassed team by calling a timeout to get the ball back before half when you're up 48-0. He poured gasoline on the fire.

You expect the kids to lose their minds sometimes. They're young and immature. You hope your head coach would be an adult.
 
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1) I don't mind at all a coach being hardnosed, dog-cussing his players, getting in their faces, challenging them, pushing them to be their best, etc. I do mind a coach who loses his head not once but twice in one season. He tried to fight the official one game-- earning a two-game suspension, and then he challenges the opposing coach to a fistfight that last game.

2) Plus, he knows the kids he's dealing with- they're mostly poor and not from good backgrounds. Calling them thugs and everything else was BS. You can chew them out without going that route. That's cutting too deep.

3) I don't want to hear the warnings crap. He directly contributed to the melee by letting his own pride get in the way of the game. It's one thing to NOT take a knee and run the ball up the middle when you're up big. It's quite another to try to further pour it on an already embarrassed team by calling a timeout to get the ball back before half when you're up 48-0. He poured gasoline on the fire.

You expect the kids to lose their minds sometimes. They're young and immature. You hope your head coach would be an adult.

See I disagree. It's not his job to ease up. If you can't stop him... It's on you. If you take a cheap shot on a dude and give him an excuse to do so, it's on you. Margin of victory played a massive role in determining who played for the title.
 

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See I disagree. It's not his job to ease up. If you can't stop him... It's on you. If you take a cheap shot on a dude and give him an excuse to do so, it's on you. Margin of victory played a massive role in determining who played for the title.

Beating a team by 70 doesn't matter more than beating them by 50. More BS.
 
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The guy crosses the line with the timeouts before half. OK, his trainer got clocked but payback via scoreboard was already in effect.

Coach knew that this game was always going to be chippy. His team had everything to play for and the other squad gave no effs. Why escalate an already flammable situation? Poor leadership is why.

Then to add insult to injury, he accuses his guys of blowing his chance at another championship and calling them thugs.

The guy is a hothead as shown by his altercations with multiple refs and the police. He was lucky he and some of his team weren't arrested. But they were only following his lead.

In conclusion, his "apology" was weak and I wouldn't have blamed any of those guys for not practicing on that last day. But they did practice because they had more heart and determination than that fat turd ever thought about having.

 

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I finished it. It was pretty good.

I do think the coach crosses the line. You can't get in fights with referees. That's inexcusable.

I can understand getting caught up in the heat of the moment after the fight, but the thugs comment was too far. The intereaction with the police was uncalled for. Does anyone know what kind of discipline the other school got for their role in this?

As far as the locker room rants, if you've been around sports, that's not a big deal.

As to running up the score...in the pros do whatever you want. In college I think if you're in the same conference or you're power conference schools, then do what you want. If you're a powerhouse playing a tiny school that has nowhere near the resources, then I think some sportsmanship should be used.

I'll give him credit for winning the titles, but his hot headedness would make me hesitant for a son of mine to play for him. It's one thing to motivate, it's another to lose your cool and be a bully.
 

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See I disagree. It's not his job to ease up. If you can't stop him... It's on you. If you take a cheap shot on a dude and give him an excuse to do so, it's on you. Margin of victory played a massive role in determining who played for the title.

Reminds me of Jimmy Johnson talking about the last game Faust coached for N.D. when they played Miami.

If you don't want the other team to score, stop them! Every coach should want their team to play their best for the ENTIRE game.
 

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Reminds me of Jimmy Johnson talking about the last game Faust coached for N.D. when they played Miami.

If you don't want the other team to score, stop them! Every coach should want their team to play their best for the ENTIRE game.

I agree for the most part, BUT...

1. He took it a step too far with the timeouts on top of a 48-point lead AT HALF.

2. He clearly knew it was a volatile situation as he constantly reminded his kids to keep their heads, yet he decided to throw a can of gasoline on the fire. It wasn't the time for that ish.
 
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I agree for the most part, BUT...

1. He took it a step too far with the timeouts on top of a 48-point lead AT HALF.

2. He clearly knew it was a volatile situation as he constantly reminded his kids to keep their heads, yet he decided to throw a can of gasoline on the fire. It wasn't the time for that ish.

I was just speaking to what was typed. I haven't seen the show or whatever it is, and don't have any intention of watching it.
I don't agree with the actions you typed above, but will say that if my team were up 48-0 at half, don't let of the gas, but don't call any timeouts.
 
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I agree for the most part, BUT...

1. He took it a step too far with the timeouts on top of a 48-point lead AT HALF.

2. He clearly knew it was a volatile situation as he constantly reminded his kids to keep their heads, yet he decided to throw a can of gasoline on the fire. It wasn't the time for that ish.

I really think the timeout was in retaliation for the pregame incident where his assistant got jacked up with five stitches from the player on Miss. Delta. I think he would have tried to run it up anyway, however after that, he put extra emphasis on it.
 

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I really think the timeout was in retaliation for the pregame incident where his assistant got jacked up with five stitches from the player on Miss. Delta. I think he would have tried to run it up anyway, however after that, he put extra emphasis on it.

Whatever. Either way he wasn't acting like an adult and he, as much or more than anyone created the atmosphere that led to the fight, which screwed up his title chances. Again- these are a bunch of kids. The coach is supposed to reign in the BS, not contribute to it.
 
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  • I don't respect the coach - agree with WCC. He needs to be better than that
  • No reason to ever take timeouts at the end of the first half when up 48-0. Especially when you have a bad reputation, your coach just got suspended, it's on the road against your big rival, etc.
  • The academic adviser is the star - very hot
  • Ollie is my favorite kid in the show
  • What's up with the Lion Man?
  • I like the offensive coordinator - very positive
 

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Just finished the series last night.

One thing I was struck by in this series (which hasn't been mentioned) was it was interesting to see the work done by those at the school in terms of making an effort to giving these athletes an actual education.

Even for a JUCO which clearly prioritized football, the coaches, staff and faculty all did make efforts to ensure the players attended class, did their work etc. And while most of the athletes were clearly unmotivated academically, they were given real opportunities for an education and held to a standard.

Every time I saw this aspect, I couldn't help but be reminded of the UNC Scandal where the school basically has argued that despite having full-time academic support staff available, despite helping to set up the athletes schedules, despite having mandatory study halls etc. in place and despite Roy Williams receiving hundreds of thousands of dollars for his team's academic 'achievements', that it's not reasonable to expect that they would know that their athletes are taking classes which don't meet, have no assigned work during the semester and is run by a secretary ? And this has been going on for decades without anyone knowing?

Complete BS. The efforts shown by staff at this Junior College help illustrate just how ridiculous UNC's claims of ignorance of their athletes academic requirements actually are.
 
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I still find the idea of these JUCO's/Community Colleges playing big time football strange. Could you imagine BCTC playing a football game against Big Sandy CC and hundreds of people showing up?

Why are there no athletics in the Kentucky Community College system like a lot of other states?
 

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I still find the idea of these JUCO's/Community Colleges playing big time football strange. Could you imagine BCTC playing a football game against Big Sandy CC and hundreds of people showing up?

Why are there no athletics in the Kentucky Community College system like a lot of other states?
Used to have basketball. Paducah won the JC championship once or twice. Believe they had baseball and tennis also.
 

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RACK, Jon. As always.

-Feel bad for giving the adviser hell before finishing the show. She's clearly the only one that actually cares about those kids. The other dumbass coaches couldn't give a **** less about those guys.
 

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Just finished the series last night.

One thing I was struck by in this series (which hasn't been mentioned) was it was interesting to see the work done by those at the school in terms of making an effort to giving these athletes an actual education.

Even for a JUCO which clearly prioritized football, the coaches, staff and faculty all did make efforts to ensure the players attended class, did their work etc. And while most of the athletes were clearly unmotivated academically, they were given real opportunities for an education and held to a standard.

Every time I saw this aspect, I couldn't help but be reminded of the UNC Scandal where the school basically has argued that despite having full-time academic support staff available, despite helping to set up the athletes schedules, despite having mandatory study halls etc. in place and despite Roy Williams receiving hundreds of thousands of dollars for his team's academic 'achievements', that it's not reasonable to expect that they would know that their athletes are taking classes which don't meet, have no assigned work during the semester and is run by a secretary ? And this has been going on for decades without anyone knowing?

Complete BS. The efforts shown by staff at this Junior College help illustrate just how ridiculous UNC's claims of ignorance of their athletes academic requirements actually are.



To me, this is the post of the year on this subject! John, thank u for all u do with your website, and thank u for your insight into this UNC debacle. I freely admit I have an unhealthy anger over the entire scandal! It infuriates me. I detest UNC, and I did before the scandal broke. But, this scandal, their conduct since the scandal's revealing, and the likely result of receiving little to no punishment from the NCAA is just about all I can take! Thank the lord for Kris Jenkins!!!! Anyhow, just wanted to say your posts on the subject help keep me grounded and hopefully a little more rational.
 
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I love Ollie. Favorite character on the show. But I feel bad for him...he's a 10 yo trapped in a 20 yo body. He just hasn't seen much outside of his little world that he knows...and yeah...that's frustrating. Good kid though.
 
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-I'm guessing the academic adviser is banging at least a couple of the players.

I don't think so at all. Then again, I've only seen the first 2 episodes. She's just a good chick doing a very difficult job.

Now, most social workers I know are freaks...but I don't get that vibe here...even though she's basically a social worker.

And she is situationally hot. Meaning at a small JUCO in MS surrounded by dudes, she looks like a 8 or 9. Put her in LEX at a UK game vs. other women her age, and she's a 6 or 7. Lots of makeup and acne.
 
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I love Ollie. Favorite character on the show. But I feel bad for him...he's a 10 yo trapped in a 20 yo body. He just hasn't seen much outside of his little world that he knows...and yeah...that's frustrating. Good kid though.
Well both of his parents were Jill when he was young. Where he is now is truly a blessing. And for the guys that are calling out the coaches, please understand the players they get need to be disciplined and treated differently. Nothing wrong with those coaches at all.
 
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For those that watched the show, East Mississippi is playing Mississippi Delta Thursday night. I wish it was televised this one would be worth watching.
 
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The thing that kills me is that most of the kids think they are way better then they are, expecting SEC and power 5 offers. The fat lineman who said he had a concussion and sat out a few weeks is a perfect example. First of all, the Dr never said he had a concussion, possibly a mild one but inconclusive, its more like his puss was hurt and he was failing classes. Then he gets an offer from a Div 1 school and tweets the coach saying that he was too good for them? GTFO.

The coach screwed up calling them thugs, after that it was over. The starting RB whose Dad looked like he was the same age was high all the time, lol.
 

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Started watching it. 4 episodes in. I'm just amazed that people live there and tailgate for those games.I would kill myself if I lived there. I guess it's an opportune place for those kids though bc there's nothing else there for them to get into.

Looked up info on some of the people...the advisor was married to the basketball coach there, then he took a job at another school and left her. Theyve had 88 kids go D1 in the last 8 yrs, with a high number going SEC.

Also:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.ya...-a-td-212031778.html?client=ms-android-att-us
 

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The guy that makes the roaring sounds was the star of the show in my opinion. His dedication to a community college and the pure roar from his golden pipes was money. We need a roar guy.