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I want to preface this with I support college players making any money they can off of their name, image and likeness. I also support a player being able to transfer. The problem is that both, as currently set-up, are going to kill college sports long-term by making the playing field more unequal than it already is.

NIL
The Supreme Court ruled college athletes cannot be prevented from making money from NIL. That is simple enough, but there is a big difference between player X making money doing a commercial spot for an auto dealership and colleges setting up these collectives to pay players directly. Why can’t the NCAA ban the collectives? I keep hearing on KSR that only Congress could do something about this. Players can make all the money they want, but the colleges should not be permitted to facilitate it.

Portal
The transfer portal should allow one transfer for any reason, but the second one should require an act of God and approval under limited circumstances. If a player is contacted by a school (coach, booster, representative of school) before entering the portal (tampered with) that should be a major violation and the player should be ruled ineligible at the new school.

Wonder if anyone else is as confused as I am about why the current free for all system can’t be better regulated.
 

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I want to preface this with I support college players making any money they can off of their name, image and likeness. I also support a player being able to transfer. The problem is that both, as currently set-up, are going to kill college sports long-term by making the playing field more unequal than it already is.

NIL
The Supreme Court ruled college athletes cannot be prevented from making money from NIL. That is simple enough, but there is a big difference between player X making money doing a commercial spot for an auto dealership and colleges setting up these collectives to pay players directly. Why can’t the NCAA ban the collectives? I keep hearing on KSR that only Congress could do something about this. Players can make all the money they want, but the colleges should not be permitted to facilitate it.

Portal
The transfer portal should allow one transfer for any reason, but the second one should require an act of God and approval under limited circumstances. If a player is contacted by a school (coach, booster, representative of school) before entering the portal (tampered with) that should be a major violation and the player should be ruled ineligible at the new school.

Wonder if anyone else is as confused as I am about why the current free for all system can’t be better regulated.
I agree with your points but I think the answer is that the NCAA has become a toothless, clawless tiger and it lacks the will or power to wrestling control of the situation. The combination of NIL and free transfer has created a de facto free agency system that has fewer restrictions than NFL, NBA or MLB.

In my opinion, the only practical way to deal with the de facto free agency system is to return to a one year sit out rule except for hardship cases. As an incentive to restore sanity, the NCAA could have the one year sit out not count as a year of eligibility or burn a redshirt year.
 
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I want to preface this with I support college players making any money they can off of their name, image and likeness. I also support a player being able to transfer. The problem is that both, as currently set-up, are going to kill college sports long-term by making the playing field more unequal than it already is.

NIL
The Supreme Court ruled college athletes cannot be prevented from making money from NIL. That is simple enough, but there is a big difference between player X making money doing a commercial spot for an auto dealership and colleges setting up these collectives to pay players directly. Why can’t the NCAA ban the collectives? I keep hearing on KSR that only Congress could do something about this. Players can make all the money they want, but the colleges should not be permitted to facilitate it.

Portal
The transfer portal should allow one transfer for any reason, but the second one should require an act of God and approval under limited circumstances. If a player is contacted by a school (coach, booster, representative of school) before entering the portal (tampered with) that should be a major violation and the player should be ruled ineligible at the new school.

Wonder if anyone else is as confused as I am about why the current free for all system can’t be better regulated.
The Supreme Court did not rule on NIL. They ruled against NCAA prohibitions on education-related benefits provided by schools.

NIL was the result of legislation at the state level that started in California. Most other states introduced similar legislation in response to both California and reading the tea leaves about how the Supreme Court might rule if they heard an NIL case in the future.
 

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I want to preface this with I support college players making any money they can off of their name, image and likeness. I also support a player being able to transfer. The problem is that both, as currently set-up, are going to kill college sports long-term by making the playing field more unequal than it already is.

NIL
The Supreme Court ruled college athletes cannot be prevented from making money from NIL. That is simple enough, but there is a big difference between player X making money doing a commercial spot for an auto dealership and colleges setting up these collectives to pay players directly. Why can’t the NCAA ban the collectives? I keep hearing on KSR that only Congress could do something about this. Players can make all the money they want, but the colleges should not be permitted to facilitate it.

Portal
The transfer portal should allow one transfer for any reason, but the second one should require an act of God and approval under limited circumstances. If a player is contacted by a school (coach, booster, representative of school) before entering the portal (tampered with) that should be a major violation and the player should be ruled ineligible at the new school.

Wonder if anyone else is as confused as I am about why the current free for all system can’t be better regulated.
With all this info can you tell me what a four year football scholarship is worth now? And for those players that get this big money from NIL why would they need a scholarship?
 

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Matt Jones told more NIL lies again today apparently. Quick question for the KSR cult. Y’all say JMI doesn’t let Stoops do appearances for collectives. What exactly is this based on?

How on earth do you think they control anything Stoops does besides his radio show? Why on Earth do you think they would care about making appearances for collectives?
 
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Matt Jones told more NIL lies again today apparently. Quick question for the KSR cult. Y’all say JMI doesn’t let Stoops do appearances for collectives. What exactly is this based on?

How on earth do you think they control anything Stoops does besides his radio show? Why on Earth do you think they would care about making appearances for collectives?
I don’t listen to Matt’s show, so I can’t weigh in on what he said.

However, I can answer your question about how Stoops’ activities could be controlled.

As part of Stoops’ contract, he grants his endorsements rights to the University as part of facilitating UK’s various commercial agreements with JMI, Nike, etc. This included transferring to the University (and ultimately to UK’s partners if applicable) the right, license and privilege of soliciting, securing and/or authorizing all endorsements, media, public appearances, etc.

If you read his contract, this is spelled out in the section on compensation (see the subsection titled “(b) Multiple Media and Endorsements”).

This doesn’t mean what Matt Jones was alleging is true, but Stoops basically signed away his own NIL rights to UK and isn’t free to simply do whatever he wants.
 

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IMO the only way this could ever be fixed is for Congress to pass a law limiting the amount of compensation a scholarship athlete may receive. Even then I don't know if it would stick. SCOTUS could still rule such a law is unconstitutional but, there have been precedent.
 

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Matt Jones told more NIL lies again today apparently. Quick question for the KSR cult. Y’all say JMI doesn’t let Stoops do appearances for collectives. What exactly is this based on?

How on earth do you think they control anything Stoops does besides his radio show? Why on Earth do you think they would care about making appearances for collectives?
You are a joke. Exactly what is your agenda?
 

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You are a joke. Exactly what is your agenda?
Says the lowlife always lying and attacking UK. You claim UK is an SEC welfare school for your anti UK agenda.

My agenda is to stop you haters from lying about UK. That seems to be all you do.
 

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Matt Jones told more NIL lies again today apparently. Quick question for the KSR cult. Y’all say JMI doesn’t let Stoops do appearances for collectives. What exactly is this based on?

How on earth do you think they control anything Stoops does besides his radio show? Why on Earth do you think they would care about making appearances for collectives?
Just stop. We understand you have a jealousy for Matt but you constantly come here and tell lies and make ignorant comments about him.
He told you exactly what the collective wanted to do and that JMI won’t allow it to happen. Yes, JMI can control promotional appearances by the coaches they have under contract.

Why would Stoops or Vince not want to be a part of promotions that would help fill the coffers of the very organization that has as its sole purpose to attract and retain talent for the team he coaches?

Accept that you’re wrong and stop digging the hole you’ve made for yourself.
 

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I don’t listen to Matt’s show, so I can’t weigh in on what he said.

However, I can answer your question about how Stoops’ activities could be controlled.

As part of Stoops’ contract, he grants his endorsements rights to the University as part of facilitating UK’s various commercial agreements with JMI, Nike, etc. This included transferring to the University (and ultimately to UK’s partners if applicable) the right, license and privilege of soliciting, securing and/or authorizing all endorsements, media, public appearances, etc.

If you read his contract, this is spelled out in the section on compensation (see the subsection titled “(b) Multiple Media and Endorsements”).

This doesn’t mean what Matt Jones was alleging is true, but Stoops basically signed away his own NIL rights to UK and isn’t free to simply do whatever he wants.
Matt said the collective wanted to have watch parties with the coaches where people who were in the collective could come and meet, get autographs, etc. Said JMI won’t allow the coaches to appear.
The goal is to find things that will attract people to contribute, answer the “what do I get” questions. They could/can do things with the players but are 40-65 yo men (target demographic) interested in meeting 18-22 yo kids or would they rather, be more attracted to meeting coaches who are more their age?
 

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Just stop. We understand you have a jealousy for Matt but you constantly come here and tell lies and make ignorant comments about him.
He told you exactly what the collective wanted to do and that JMI won’t allow it to happen. Yes, JMI can control promotional appearances by the coaches they have under contract.

Why would Stoops or Vince not want to be a part of promotions that would help fill the coffers of the very organization that has as its sole purpose to attract and retain talent for the team he coaches?

Accept that you’re wrong and stop digging the hole you’ve made for yourself.
Stoops just did a 15 club promotion but JMI won’t let him. I can’t stop laughing at these mindless clowns.
 

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Matt said the collective wanted to have watch parties with the coaches where people who were in the collective could come and meet, get autographs, etc. Said JMI won’t allow the coaches to appear.
The goal is to find things that will attract people to contribute, answer the “what do I get” questions. They could/can do things with the players but are 40-65 yo men (target demographic) interested in meeting 18-22 yo kids or would they rather, be more attracted to meeting coaches who are more their age?
Matt said…
 

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Matt Jones told more NIL lies again today apparently. Quick question for the KSR cult. Y’all say JMI doesn’t let Stoops do appearances for collectives. What exactly is this based on?

How on earth do you think they control anything Stoops does besides his radio show? Why on Earth do you think they would care about making appearances for collectives?
The info is going to Jones through Stoops and Marrow directly Magilla. Its in JMI's contract that coaches have to approve all advertising endorsements through JMI, and they won't approve the coaches to be an advertiser of the collective.
 

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Stoops just did a 15 club promotion but JMI won’t let him. I can’t stop laughing at these mindless clowns.
Did he? I haven’t seen it. If he has done a promotion it doesn’t mean they will allow him to do any promotion or that they don’t eventually change their position.

You claimed that JMI couldn’t prevent him from doing them…@UKinCincy who I’m pretty sure is a lawyer pointed out exactly where in Stoops contract that power resides.

Take the L and be done with it.
 

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The info is going to Jones through Stoops and Marrow directly Magilla. Its in JMI's contract that coaches have to approve all advertising endorsements through JMI, and they won't approve the coaches to be an advertiser of the collective.
They won’t approve coaches to be an advertiser of the collective. “The collective” as if there’s just one. Another clueless KSR sheep.

Here is Mark Stoops advertising The 15 Club collective.

 
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Did he? I haven’t seen it. If he has done a promotion it doesn’t mean they will allow him to do any promotion or that they don’t eventually change their position.

You claimed that JMI couldn’t prevent him from doing them…@UKinCincy who I’m pretty sure is a lawyer pointed out exactly where in Stoops contract that power resides.

Take the L and be done with it.
Always an excuses when your false claim is proven wrong.
 

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Always an excuses when your false claim is proven wrong.
You’ve not proven anything except that you’re a mindless ***. JMI controls what he promotes and how he is able to do so. Allowing him to make a promotional video <> allowing him to make personal appearances. You’ve already had one lawyer point that out to you. Go ask another if you don’t believe it.
 

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They won’t approve coaches to be an advertiser of the collective. “The collective” as if there’s just one. Another clueless KSR sheep.

Here is Mark Stoops advertising The 15 Club collective.


Are you aware of any other collectives for UK that are endorsed by UK?
Athlete Advantage is a promotions company that works to promote their athletes….in other words they are sports agents.
 

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You’ve not proven anything except that you’re a mindless ***. JMI controls what he promotes and how he is able to do so. Allowing him to make a promotional video <> allowing him to make personal appearances. You’ve already had one lawyer point that out to you. Go ask another if you don’t believe it.
Sorry sheep boy, he pointed out his contract. The them not letting him do appearances is a lie you made up. I love it when y’all have to scale your lies lies back. Now they let him do advertising but won’t let him do appearances. That’s cool because 10 minutes ago they wouldn’t even let him do advertisements for collectives.

Also Todd Harris, real life booster, has a real life collective, universally respected…

 

rqa

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Sorry sheep boy, he pointed out his contract. The them not letting him do appearances is a lie you made up. I love it when y’all have to scale your lies lies back. Now they let him do advertising but won’t let him do appearances. That’s cool because 10 minutes ago they wouldn’t even let him do advertisements for collectives.

Also Todd Harris, real life booster, has a real life collective, universally respected…


“If approved” you must have missed those two words in TH tweet.
You’re still batting .000
 

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Are you aware of any other collectives for UK that are endorsed by UK?
Athlete Advantage is a promotions company that works to promote their athletes….in other words they are sports agents.
Yeah and you would too if you were a real UK fan instead of a KSR sheep. There’s the The 15 Club that you all think is the only collective, Charities for Kentucky, and Commonwealth Causes. All 3 vetted and approved by UK. All 3 can be found on the BBNIL website and UK athletics website. There are several other collectives for UK also that aren’t vetted approved and promoted by UK, but they exist.
 
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“If approved” you must have missed those two words in TH tweet.
You’re still batting .000
Yeah, UK wouldn’t let any coach promote a shady collective, they exist too and UK could be held responsible for their actions. You’re still lying your *** off for daddy Matt because you’re clueless as to how things work.
 

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I agree with your points but I think the answer is that the NCAA has become a toothless, clawless tiger and it lacks the will or power to wrestling control of the situation. The combination of NIL and free transfer has created a de facto free agency system that has fewer restrictions than NFL, NBA or MLB.

In my opinion, the only practical way to deal with the de facto free agency system is to return to a one year sit out rule except for hardship cases. As an incentive to restore sanity, the NCAA could have the one year sit out not count as a year of eligibility or burn a redshirt year.
Yep , at this point the ncaa is a figurehead.
 

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Yeah, UK wouldn’t let any coach promote a shady collective, they exist too and UK could be held responsible for their actions. You’re still lying your *** off for daddy Matt because you’re clueless as to how things work.
If I’m “clueless” then I couldn’t be lying. Lying requires knowledge of the truth, purposeful deception…but then you’re too stupid to understand.
 

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I don’t listen to Matt’s show, so I can’t weigh in on what he said.

However, I can answer your question about how Stoops’ activities could be controlled.

As part of Stoops’ contract, he grants his endorsements rights to the University as part of facilitating UK’s various commercial agreements with JMI, Nike, etc. This included transferring to the University (and ultimately to UK’s partners if applicable) the right, license and privilege of soliciting, securing and/or authorizing all endorsements, media, public appearances, etc.

If you read his contract, this is spelled out in the section on compensation (see the subsection titled “(b) Multiple Media and Endorsements”).

This doesn’t mean what Matt Jones was alleging is true, but Stoops basically signed away his own NIL rights to UK and isn’t free to simply do whatever he wants.
But if he's not personally receiving money and is only appearing as a private citizen? I'm not a lawyer but was just thinking about this outside of nil. If a Singer sells his rights to a record co that wouldn't mean he couldn't show up to a party that people were paying $5,000 to attend... right? If KSR takes a picture of Stoops and puts in on their website without a jmi deal is that any different?

Just trying to think out of the box.
 

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But if he's not personally receiving money and is only appearing as a private citizen? I'm not a lawyer but was just thinking about this outside of nil. If a Singer sells his rights to a record co that wouldn't mean he couldn't show up to a party that people were paying $5,000 to attend... right? If KSR takes a picture of Stoops and puts in on their website without a jmi deal is that any different?

Just trying to think out of the box.
If an event is being promoted to people as an event that Stoops will also be attending, then he isn’t simply showing up. He’s making a public appearance.

And even if Stoops isn’t paid by a collective for the appearance, then I’m not sure that solves anything. You’re potentially getting into a gray area where Stoops is providing services for the collective. I’d imagine that situation might constitute a relationship between Stoops and a collective that is closer than anyone is comfortable with. But I’m not privy to the behind the scenes discussions that are occurring, so I’m just speculating.

As far as photos on KSR go, that’s a totally different situation. Those photos are similar to any news website using photos alongside their stories. The only one who would be paid for those photos is whomever is the copyright holder of the photo (e.g., photographer, agency).
 
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If I’m “clueless” then I couldn’t be lying. Lying requires knowledge of the truth, purposeful deception…but then you’re too stupid to understand.
Oh you’re clueless and and you make up **** to forward the narrative. See how you’re both?

Also quit arguing with actual boosters on twitter who have actual collectives and a real relationship with UK and knows the deal. I know you’re desperate to forward daddy Matt’s agenda but you look ridiculous.
 

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With all this info can you tell me what a four year football scholarship is worth now? And for those players that get this big money from NIL why would they need a scholarship?
Depends on your major? Sociology…. Not much. No offense to the sociology grads.
 
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With all this info can you tell me what a four year football scholarship is worth now? And for those players that get this big money from NIL why would they need a scholarship?
It’s worth whatever someone will pay you to play at their school. Let’s pretend you’re rich and your child is offered a scholarship. Are you saying, nah…keep your scholarship I want to pay? Or they come to you at your job and offer to double your salary, you turning it down? Or after a raise you’re going to say…that healthcare insurance you were providing me, thanks but I want to start paying for that on my own. Said no one ever.
 
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Oh you’re clueless and and you make up **** to forward the narrative. See how you’re both?

Also quit arguing with actual boosters on twitter who have actual collectives and a real relationship with UK and knows the deal. I know you’re desperate to forward daddy Matt’s agenda but you look ridiculous.
Haha, you’re not bright enough to have noticed that the booster carefully selected and parsed his words to only answer what he wanted to say. “With approval” means somebody has to approve the activity. If it’s the top, big money boosters then yeah, they will approve those small private functions. Those people already have access so nothing is gained or lost. If it’s activities to try and recruit/attract “regular” fans…nope!
He wouldn’t say that MJ was lying, he said it was inaccurate to say that JMI wouldn’t allow coaches to be involved, period.
The proof is in the pudding as they say. The coaches have said they want to be involved. Either the coaches are lying or someone at UK/JMI is preventing things from happening.
 

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Yeah and you would too if you were a real UK fan instead of a KSR sheep. There’s the The 15 Club that you all think is the only collective, Charities for Kentucky, and Commonwealth Causes. All 3 vetted and approved by UK. All 3 can be found on the BBNIL website and UK athletics website. There are several other collectives for UK also that aren’t vetted approved and promoted by UK, but they exist.
BTW, the other 2 you mention aren’t collectives as in the sense of 15. They are charities which you can contribute and some small portion of your donation goes to the athlete. Those are aimed at larger donors, not the $25, $50 or $100/mo donors. Donate $5000 and you can have dinner with a coach at Jeff Ruby’s. Half goes to a charity, perhaps even UK, they pay for the meal and the $2000 left over goes to NIL. I know how it works.
 

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It’s worth whatever someone will pay you to play at their school. Let’s pretend you’re rich and your child is offered a scholarship. Are you saying, nah…keep your scholarship I want to pay? Or they come to you at your job and offer to double your salary, you turning it down? Or after a raise you’re going to say…that healthcare insurance you were providing me, thanks but I want to start paying for that on my own. Said no one ever.
No, I’m not asking for a pretend opinionated answer, what is the financial worth in dollars of a four year football scholarship at the University of Kentucky? Just give me the dollar amount
 

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No, I’m not asking for a pretend opinionated answer, what is the financial worth in dollars of a four year football scholarship at the University of Kentucky? Just give me the dollar amount
For an out of state student tuition/fees about $32K/yr + $20K room/board x 4 so about $200K-$210K. UkAthletics pays whatever in-state/out-state rate that would apply to that student. There are reciprocal agreements between some areas out of state that offer in state rates. In state value would be about $125K.
None of that includes any value one might want to include for coaching, training, etc.
 
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BTW, the other 2 you mention aren’t collectives as in the sense of 15. They are charities which you can contribute and some small portion of your donation goes to the athlete. Those are aimed at larger donors, not the $25, $50 or $100/mo donors. Donate $5000 and you can have dinner with a coach at Jeff Ruby’s. Half goes to a charity, perhaps even UK, they pay for the meal and the $2000 left over goes to NIL. I know how it works.
Well I’m sorry that it contradicts your BS narrative but they are absolutely collectives. There are also other collectives. Collectives that you have always been able to give to. I’m not sure where y’all’s we didn’t have a collective you could give to lie came from. Prolly daddy Matt like the rest of your lies. Tell me more about how JMI won’t let Stoops advertise collectives.

LOL at you arguing with flippin Todd Harris about NIL as if you know more because you’re a KSR sheep. What a joke.
 
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BTW, the other 2 you mention aren’t collectives as in the sense of 15. They are charities which you can contribute and some small portion of your donation goes to the athlete. Those are aimed at larger donors, not the $25, $50 or $100/mo donors. Donate $5000 and you can have dinner with a coach at Jeff Ruby’s. Half goes to a charity, perhaps even UK, they pay for the meal and the $2000 left over goes to NIL. I know how it works.

Not completely true statement.

We have numerous people that choose to donate as little as $25 a month to Charities For Kentucky in the form of a non profit donation to our 501C3. All of those monthly donations add up and help secure deals for athletes and the nonprofits we support.

You are correct that the student athlete does not receive 100% of the money as there are costs for events, marketing, etc that must be paid before we pay student athletes and donate to nonprofits. We are completely Pro Bono and have spent hundreds of our hours way from our families working on this, as well as donating thousands of dollars of our own money to help get the organization off of the ground just to support these student athletes. I can say 110% we are doing everything the correct and legal way as we have attorneys and accountants that are involved in other high level non profits that are helping us with everything. When you donate to Charities For Kentucky, your donation is 100% Tax Deductible, UK Student Athletes win, and area non profit organizations who give Kentuckians amazing services and support wins.

https://charitiesforkentucky.org/donate/

In Regards to Coaches at NIL Events, we had 3-4 Football Coaches at our last NIL Event that also had 10 Football Players present. JMI never said a thing to us or them about being in attendance and UK was supportive of that event and everything we are working on now. We didn't request any form of player in UK Jerseys or us UK's logo for any of our advertising, so maybe that's why. When I did our first NIL stuff with Bully and Jager for my business, I knew I couldn't use UK's logos then either, but cared less about the logos and more about supporting the players. I get it, I would have loved to had the guys in UK gear for the marketing we did with them, but UK has to make money off of their ownership rights to and that money helps to pay coaches salaries and facility upgrades.

Todd and I have met with the UK Athletics Department numerous times, most recently a few weeks ago before Christmas, and they very much want to do everything they can within the rules to help us all be successful.

Furthermore, and unlike the division that's been created by many fans of what is a real collective or not, or which gives the most money to the players, the reality, Todd, myself, and our board want all 3 of UK's collectives to be extremely successful. When these collectives win, the student athletes win, and the teams we love to support wins.

Probably what upsets me the most are the "fans" who complain about UK's NIL collectives, but haven't donated a dollar to any of them. Maybe part of the problem isn't UK, JMI, etc, it's the fan base.

OK, off my soapbox for now. We are working on some very exciting things and can't wait to announce them soon.
 

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And again, for the record I've used Athletes Advantage for NIL with my own business and I like Ryan and the guys there. But do you believe every dollar donated to the 15 Fund goes only to NIL?
 

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And again, for the record I've used Athletes Advantage for NIL with my own business and I like Ryan and the guys there. But do you believe every dollar donated to the 15 Fund goes only to NIL?
Per their website, 90% goes to the athletes.

Addressing your previous post, sure you can proactively donate to either of the other two organizations but at least from my research that isn’t their model. Their model is to offer the donor something be it an “experience” or raffle.
Sure The 15 is issuing tshirts, hats, pullovers based on giving levels but those are promotional as much as any value back to the donor. Whatever it takes to support UKs NIL efforts but if I’m “donating” say $1000/yr then I’d prefer as much of that $1000 gets to the athlete, not pay for an expensive meal for myself and others and then the change goes into NIL. I can give directly to the charities without having it filtered through other hands.
I’d like to see the participation numbers for each program.