NIl - getting worse

[Kybluedude]

Whew. This NIl is something else.

Missouri staff celebrating getting a # 1 recruit. Instate 5 star DL. Was going to Oklahoma or Georgia.

What a surprise

Williams Nwaneri​

Hometown: Lee’s Summit, MO

High School: Lee’s Summit North

Position: Defensive End

Ht/Wt: 6-foot-5, 250 lbs.

Rivals Ranking: No. 3 National, No. 1 DE

247Composite Ranking: No. 3 National, No. 1 DE
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Missouri law OKs NIL compensation for high school athletes who stay in-state

 

[2blue4u_rivals376918]

What’s Kentucky stance on High School receiving compensation? It seemed to me Reed Shepard(BB in state recruit) made money while in high school. I could be wrong though?

 

[Bereacat]

Whew. This NIl is something else.

Missouri staff celebrating getting a # 1 recruit. Instate 5 star DL. Was going to Oklahoma or Georgia.

What a surprise

Williams Nwaneri​

Hometown: Lee’s Summit, MO

High School: Lee’s Summit North

Position: Defensive End

Ht/Wt: 6-foot-5, 250 lbs.

Rivals Ranking: No. 3 National, No. 1 DE

247Composite Ranking: No. 3 National, No. 1 DE
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Missouri law OKs NIL compensation for high school athletes who stay in-state

They are about to add a 5 star WR to that. What will be interesting to watch is if this effects guys like RB Williiams going to ND. They have 9 in state guys 4 star or higher. KY just doesnt have those type of in state guys. It wouldnt matter how good the NIL situation was KY just doesnt produce that many high level prospects

 

[Grumpyolddawg]

This was not a big surprise, his family didn't even attend his HS games, then they discover NIL and according to Missouri law he can start receiving money next month. I mentioned another thread they were getting a big commit Monday. Missouri was number 3 choice for kid, but number 1 for Mom.

 

[SosaUK1987]

This was not a big surprise, his family didn't even attend his HS games, then they discover NIL and according to Missouri law he can start receiving money next month. I mentioned another thread they were getting a big commit Monday. Missouri was number 3 choice for kid, but number 1 for Mom.

I could see a mother like that saying just go there a year and transfer where ever ya want after or something like that.

 

[UKnCincy_rivals]

They are about to add a 5 star WR to that. What will be interesting to watch is if this effects guys like RB Williiams going to ND. They have 9 in state guys 4 star or higher. KY just doesnt have those type of in state guys. It wouldnt matter how good the NIL situation was KY just doesnt produce that many high level prospects

That’s an excellent point about level of in state talent, and I think it raises the question of whether the talent level is even high enough in Missouri for this law to make sense.

From a quick scan of Missouri’s roster, I’d estimate maybe 40% of their players are from Missouri. Which means the majority of their players are from other states. You’d have to assume that once Missouri passed this law, other states (e.g., Texas) are very likely to quickly follow suit which will make it harder for Missouri to recruit in those states.

Is there enough talent within the state of Missouri to elevate Mizzou football so that it’s worth potentially making it harder to recruit in other states? I’m not so sure about that, and I think the Missouri politicians have been short sighted here.

 

[UKnCincy_rivals]

I could see a mother like that saying just go there a year and transfer where ever ya want after or something like that.

That was the other point I was about to make. I’m not sure how helpful this law will actually end up being for Mizzou.

High school athletes in Missouri can’t start earning NIL dollars until after they’ve signed their letter of intent. So Mizzou only gets a few months head start over out of state schools. Is that enough to move the needle? I’m not so sure, but even if it is, a kid willing to pick a school for a few extra months of NIL is also a kid who’s likely to transfer after his freshman season in search of higher NIL dollars at a bigger school.

 

[bthaunert]

What’s Kentucky stance on High School receiving compensation? It seemed to me Reed Shepard(BB in state recruit) made money while in high school. I could be wrong though?

Here is a good map that shows where every state was as of May. In Kentucky, it is prohibited. It's only as matter of time before that changes, I'm sure.

https://biz.opendorse.com/blog/nil-high-school/

 

[Deeeefense]

Is there enough talent within the state of Missouri to elevate Mizzou football so that it’s worth potentially making it harder to recruit in other states?

This is a bit dated but the data shows the Kentucky and Missouri are producing about the same numbers of higher level D1 football talent. Also both states rank higher than other states that are commonly perceived as having more talent i.e. South Carolina, Oklahoma and others.

Where CFB players come from: 9 maps and charts

How geography shapes the sport from coast to coast.

www.bannersociety.com

 

[bthaunert]

This is a bit dated but the data shows the Kentucky and Missouri are producing about the same numbers of higher level D1 football talent. Also both states rank higher than other states that are commonly perceived as having more talent i.e. South Carolina, Oklahoma and others.

Where CFB players come from: 9 maps and charts

How geography shapes the sport from coast to coast.

www.bannersociety.com

It looks like for Kentucky, 2019 was the anomaly and not the norm. We had 8 in 2019 and 9 total the previous 4 years combined. That 2019 class produced 8 4 stars, which is really unheard of for Kentucky. In fact, since 2010, the only other year we had more than four 4 stars in state was 2013, with 5 four stars. While Oklahoma only had 4 in 2019, it had 17 the prior 4 years combined. South Carolina had 2 in 2019, but had 18 the prior 4 years combined.

We definitely have less talent year in and year out (with a rare exception) than states like Oklahoma and South Carolina.

 

[Grumpyolddawg]

That was the other point I was about to make. I’m not sure how helpful this law will actually end up being for Mizzou.

High school athletes in Missouri can’t start earning NIL dollars until after they’ve signed their letter of intent. So Mizzou only gets a few months head start over out of state schools. Is that enough to move the needle? I’m not so sure, but even if it is, a kid willing to pick a school for a few extra months of NIL is also a kid who’s likely to transfer after his freshman season in search of higher NIL dollars at a bigger school.

It was enough in this particular case, The only person in the family wanting Missouri was mom, dad wanted OU because of relationships and the kid wanted UGA because of development and recent draft results. Will it be enough for the WR I don't know, not sure he has announced a commitment date. But if it is all about the NIL, why would not being able to receive NIL proceeds 4 months earlier make a difference? It's so in the face of the rule as it is written but NCAA can't/won't enforce anything right now.

 

[JHB4UK]

Mizzou NIL operation is good enough to keep former 5 star WR Luther Burden on the roster beyond his true frosh yr. Despite some blatant recruiting by Bama among other powers.

If NIL becomes a contest to keep kids to stay in their home states, obviously UK is dead.

 

[Grumpyolddawg]

Mizzou NIL operation is good enough to keep former 5 star WR Luther Burden on the roster beyond his true frosh yr. Despite some blatant recruiting by Bama among other powers.

If NIL becomes a contest to keep kids to stay in their home states, obviously UK is dead.

I think there are a couple of Waltons who are doing their part. But they are over paying but by being able to pay instate kids 4 months before they can sign is a little risky it gives them a huge edge with instate kids.

Burton has a brand of chips named after him.

 

[truebluewildcat_rivals34254]

Mizzou NIL operation is good enough to keep former 5 star WR Luther Burden on the roster beyond his true frosh yr. Despite some blatant recruiting by Bama among other powers.

If NIL becomes a contest to keep kids to stay in their home states, obviously UK is dead.

I think there are a couple of Waltons who are doing their part. But they are over paying but by being able to pay instate kids 4 months before they can sign is a little risky it gives them a huge edge with instate kids.

Burton has a brand of chips named after him.

I don't think NIL is a going to become a contest of billionaires and keeping instate kids. If it does, everyone but Cali, Texas, Florida schools is screwed.

That's were all the talent is, and that's where a lot of money old and new is concentrated.

If Silicon Valley and Hollywood money start to pay up...it's over. USC, Stanford, UCLA, Cal Berkley...see ya.

Texas...Horns, Aggies, even Baylor, SMU, Houston...big alumni bases, big business and multi billionaire connections. There are probably 20 billionaires/families in the east Texas population hubs.

Florida has even more than Texas. According to Forbes about 40. But, again, I don't think NIL is about billionaire or ultra wealthy connections.

College athletics, whether you're talking new NIL, or traditional raising money via boosters for facilities, etc has never been solely about that.

If it were solely about who's got the biggest baddest alumni/boosters, deepest pockets. Stanford, the Ivy Leagues, USC, UCLA, Cal, UVA, Miami, Notre Dame, Texas, Michigan (surprisingly cracking the top 20 wealthiest alum...never would have guessed) would dominate. They'd be the super conference with the best talent, best facilities, highest paid players.

 

[vhcat70]

Without changes, it will ultimately come down to the deepest pockets imo. Just give it a few years.

 

[Catluv]

I heard Mizzo has passed a law that allows them to start paying kids in high school. Does that explain them pulling in all these big recruits. They have had less success than we have had in FB lately. The area they are in is nothing to write home about.

 

[Grumpyolddawg]

I don't think NIL is a going to become a contest of billionaires and keeping instate kids. If it does, everyone but Cali, Texas, Florida schools is screwed.

That's were all the talent is, and that's where a lot of money old and new is concentrated.

If Silicon Valley and Hollywood money start to pay up...it's over. USC, Stanford, UCLA, Cal Berkley...see ya.

Texas...Horns, Aggies, even Baylor, SMU, Houston...big alumni bases, big business and multi billionaire connections. There are probably 20 billionaires/families in the east Texas population hubs.

Florida has even more than Texas. According to Forbes about 40. But, again, I don't think NIL is about billionaire or ultra wealthy connections.

College athletics, whether you're talking new NIL, or traditional raising money via boosters for facilities, etc has never been solely about that.

If it were solely about who's got the biggest baddest alumni/boosters, deepest pockets. Stanford, the Ivy Leagues, USC, UCLA, Cal, UVA, Miami, Notre Dame, Texas, Michigan (surprisingly cracking the top 20 wealthiest alum...never would have guessed) would dominate. They'd be the super conference with the best talent, best facilities, highest paid players.

It depends on what kind of ego those billionaire boosters have. If the chose to Stanford buy the Texas universities and shut the football programs down. They have an endowment of 50B + that I assumed has come from technology, and have little interest in building a super team. But we are already seeing this very thing happening. Texas A&M, 2 classes ago, Texas last year and this, Tennessee, FSU and AU have jumped in this year. All of those have billionair booster with big ego's willing to buy a team.

As far as paying HS kids where it's allowed, if it isn't allowed in your state, transfer to one that allows it. I really wish you were right, but I am afraid you aren't. Kids transfer all the time, attend 3-4 HS during their career.