No talk about Aubrey??

purkey

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don't think it's much about anything....maybe some bad press for a while.
 

Inky29

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Suicide? That's what is being said down here in Dallas. Crazy
 

osujfro

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Sad for his family, but i think the pretty much confirms that he's a criminal whose greed victimized many
 
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dtspoke

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Sad for his family, but i think the pretty much confirms that he's a criminal whose greed victimized many

Usually your posts are amusing, but this is way off since it's a large assumption with nothing behind it other than a brief news report.

Even if true, he won't even have a trial to confirm or refute the accusations, which are very marginal to begin with.
 
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osujfro

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Usually your posts are amusing, but this is way off since it's a large assumption with nothing behind it other than a brief news report.

Even if true, he won't even have a trial to confirm or refute the accusations, which are very marginal to begin with.
This is true, but it seems fishy. Is that a better way to put it? It seems fishy
 
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tcpoke

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Sad for his family, but i think the pretty much confirms that he's a criminal whose greed victimized many

I strongly disagree but can see why that conclusion would be made. Aubrey has his warts, but at the end of the day he did a hell of a lot more good for people than he did bad. Sad day.
 

PDT816

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Two points :

I'm sure he had a lot on his mind and it's likely he ran into the bridge because he simply wasn't paying attention rather than committing suicide.

It's could have been a Chesapeake assassination to make sure the trail stops with him.
 
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knoblock

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Sad day. Knew Aubrey and Tom when they started Chesapeake and have dealt with them several times.

One thing I would say is that Aubrey is not a criminal.

Have no clue what happened but it would not surprise me if he was not paying attention and was talking on the phone or texting business related. He was always working.
 

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Any good conspiracy theory has to start with an unknown person being identified as the victim behind the wheel and a missing passport.
 
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osu2082

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If and its an if, this was a suicide I would bet there were some major behind the scenes financial troubles.

The indictments did not seem to be something that would point to suicide.

I am hopeful for the family that this was just a terrible accident.
 

AlphPistolPete

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If and its an if, this was a suicide I would bet there were some major behind the scenes financial troubles.

The indictments did not seem to be something that would point to suicide.

I am hopeful for the family that this was just a terrible accident.

I heard one of his major funds pulled their support this morning. They were probably looking for a way out and used the indictment as the reason. Aubry was always a smoke and mirrors guy, and that was much easier to do when you were playing with public money. AEP was a failure and I am sure it will be revealed that there was some major misleading going on over there. I will be very surprised if there is any evident that supports it not being a suicide.
 

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He was supposed to turn himself in at 11:00. He drove into a concrete wall at 9:00, quite a ways from downtown OKC.

I've seen this narrative on loop that he overpaid lease holders. That is selectively true. After those leases were signed, it's a different story. Check out public filings for all the royalty owners that claimed they were defrauded by his CHK's bogus marketing charges, underpayments, etc. CHK's reputation was probably the worst in the state for royalty treatment and paying vendors. he worked the legislature really hard to prevent the royalty owners from filing class actions, restricted shareholder rights to frustrate accountability and was under tremendous financial stress.

There's no doubt he was gonna have to plea or face a very, very tough case -- my understanding is that the bid rigging was reduced to writing. And why would overpaying for leases in one project excuse bid rigging in another project? There's lots of other examples where he was totally shameless.

All that said, the guy was obviously a force of nature and had lots of admirers. He did some great things for OKC. Condolences to his family.

Incidentally, take a look at the natural gas-powered SUV. That thing went up like a torch - you don't see that with gas or diesel head-ons typically. Are the CNG vehicles more fire prone?
 

Been Jammin

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Maybe it's just me... but when I read the statement he released yesterday, I don't see someone teetering on the edge of ending his own life.

In this situation, you have to consider the possibility that he had significant life insurance policies and that the manner of his death was an attempt to make sure that his family was able to collect on them. If so, then he would do everything possible to make it not look like a suicide.
 

long-duc-dong

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I think when it's all said and done they really won't know what happened. Let the speculation continue. A lot of people don't realize that his wife is worth a hell of a lot more money than him so I don't know if insurance policies were a concern.
 
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trapped_in_tx

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Saw someone post this on Facebook today. I thought it was an interesting perspective since I don't live in Oklahoma and don't know a great deal about Chesapeake or McClendon.

 
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McClendon secretly (at the time) gave $25MM to the Sierra Club for the Sierra Club’s “Beyond Coal” campaign a few years back, for the obvious reason that it would benefit his natural gas company if coal were squeezed by new regulation.

Sounds like a swell guy.
 

purkey

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I don't see too much wrong with that...protecting his investment with tools at his disposal. They would do it to him if they could have...and they may have. Weakening the competition is done everyday by someone trying to improve their position/assets.
 
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tcpoke

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McClendon secretly (at the time) gave $25MM to the Sierra Club for the Sierra Club’s “Beyond Coal” campaign a few years back, for the obvious reason that it would benefit his natural gas company if coal were squeezed by new regulation.

Sounds like a swell guy.

Positive Tomorrows, an elementary school for homeless children in Oklahoma City, struggled with funding for years until McClendon led Chesapeake to make a large, multiyear pledge that he matched personally.

"I'm not sure the agency would have survived without his gifts. He made all the difference to us," Susan Agel, president and principal of Positive Tomorrows, said Wednesday. "There are children going to school today, people who are being fed, people who have places to sleep and a lot of folks whose lives are very different today because of his impact on the community."

He sure does.
 
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I don't see too much wrong with that...protecting his investment with tools at his disposal. They would do it to him if they could have...and they may have. Weakening the competition is done everyday by someone trying to improve their position/assets.

Helping to cripple an industry that could play a vital role in fueling our economy by enabling environmentalists ($25MM is a lot of dough), who will inevitably turn on the NG industry, is a little bit different that what you describe.

Also, no one can argue that Aubrey did a lot of good things. So did Tom Kivisto. I may have come across more harshly than I meant to. He did a lot of good for OKC, but he wasn't the saint it seems some are trying to portray. That's all.
 

tcpoke

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Helping to cripple an industry that could play a vital role in fueling our economy by enabling environmentalists ($25MM is a lot of dough), who will inevitably turn on the NG industry, is a little bit different that what you describe.

Also, no one can argue that Aubrey did a lot of good things. So did Tom Kivisto. I may have come across more harshly than I meant to. He did a lot of good for OKC, but he wasn't the saint it seems some are trying to portray. That's all.

I haven't seen anyone declare him a saint, or anything close. In fact I would say everything that has been written about him in the last 48 hours has acknowledged, in one way or another, that he had his warts.

However the bottom line is that he did infinitely more good for people than bad. Something we should all strive to achieve.
 

AlphPistolPete

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Positive Tomorrows, an elementary school for homeless children in Oklahoma City, struggled with funding for years until McClendon led Chesapeake to make a large, multiyear pledge that he matched personally.

"I'm not sure the agency would have survived without his gifts. He made all the difference to us," Susan Agel, president and principal of Positive Tomorrows, said Wednesday. "There are children going to school today, people who are being fed, people who have places to sleep and a lot of folks whose lives are very different today because of his impact on the community."

He sure does.

Don't really think he was a bad guy. But being generous with share holders money is a lot different than your own. Also not saying he wasn't.
 
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tcpoke

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Don't really think he was a bad guy. But being generous with share holders money is a lot different than your own. Also not saying he wasn't.

No doubt. But like the excerpt I posted said, he personally matched the corporate gift. He did the same with The Boys and Girls club donations annually.
 
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Orange Jennyslipper

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Helping to cripple an industry that could play a vital role in fueling our economy by enabling environmentalists ($25MM is a lot of dough), who will inevitably turn on the NG industry, is a little bit different that what you describe.

Yes, it could play a vital role if we wanted to walk around wearing air filters like they do in Beijing.

And yes, if all coal plants magically converted to NG this afternoon, those villainous environmentalists would still be pushing for more wind, solar and water. Where's the logic in not wanting clean, sustainable power?
 
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Yes, it could play a vital role if we wanted to walk around wearing air filters like they do in Beijing.

And yes, if all coal plants magically converted to NG this afternoon, those villainous environmentalists would still be pushing for more wind, solar and water. Where's the logic in not wanting clean, sustainable power?

Are you 11 years old? Give me a ******* break