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DALLAS - An off-duty Dallas police officer shot and killed a man after walking into the wrong apartment in her building just south of Downtown Dallas.

It happened around 10 p.m. Thursday. The Dallas Police Department said the officer had just finished her shift and entered what she believed was her own apartment at the South Side Flats. The complex is near the department's headquarters on Lamar Avenue.

But it was not the right apartment and the officer ran into a man who she didn’t recognize. She ended up shooting him, police said.

Responding officers found 26-year-old Botham Shem Jean badly wounded. He was taken to the hospital and died a short time later.

People who live nearby said they got a notification about the shooting on the app Nextdoor. They can't believe what happened.

"Super scary because the police are supposed to protect you and then they come home and, you know, you're just hanging out in your own house and then they come home thinking they're home or whatever. I don't know if she was tired but that's pretty scary," said Richard Healy Nelson, who lives in the complex.

Dallas police have not yet released the female officer's name. She is now on administrative leave.

Police would not say whether she fired her weapon because she thought Jean was an intruder or for some other reason. It's not yet clear how she got into the wrong apartment.

http://www.fox4news.com/news/dallas-officer-goes-home-to-wrong-apartment-kills-man-inside
 
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And we allow them to drive machines that go 100 mph and kill more people than cancer. I think I just said that in another thread where a woman blew herself up with dynamite thinking it was a candle.

I bet the offisher was texting and confused her gun for zen phone.

Women, they got this.
 
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I'm going with the whole "she walked into the wrong apartment" line is total bs. They are covering for her, sadly since they are conducting the investigation the public will never know what really happened and she'll be at work in a couple of weeks.
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Yeah, the only times I’ve heard of the “went to the wrong apartment” stuff is when someone is intoxicated...or when John Candy went to the wrong vacation rental in “The Great Outdoors.”
 
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That dude probably had the exact same furniture and decor as her place. I can see how it would be easy to get things mixed up. Pity for that lady cop. She’s gonna need a lot of counseling.
 
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This was just one more sad life tragedy. From what we know now, no bad intentions on anyone's part - but tragic results just the same. The guy is dead and the cop's life is ruined. The victims's family will get some kind of payout and she'll probably do some time.and BLM (if he is black) will raise a ruckus for a while.
 
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Get Bucket$ said:
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Fake news tactic. Left out the part where I said "from what we know now..." I have no idea how it went down, and neither do 95% of the speculators on social media. If she flat out intentionally murdered the guy, let justice prevail.
 
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morgousky said:
And we allow them to drive machines that go 100 mph and kill more people than cancer. I think I just said that in another thread where a woman blew herself up with dynamite thinking it was a candle.

I bet the offisher was texting and confused her gun for zen phone.

Women, they got this.
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KingOfBBN said:
Women should never be cops. They are not threats at all except when they decide to kill you while you chill in your house.
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Go watch the body cam of the female officer going after the Fountain Square shooter.
 
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Fake news tactic. Left out the part where I said "from what we know now..." I have no idea how it went down, and neither do 95% of the speculators on social media. If she flat out intentionally murdered the guy, let justice prevail.
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You don’t consider walking into an apartment and killing someone “bad intentions”? What were her intentions when she shot him? Good? Neutral?
 
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You don’t consider walking into an apartment and killing someone “bad intentions”? What were her intentions when she shot him? Good? Neutral?
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Well... at this point, only she knows her intentions. Unless, of course, she has already confessed her murderous intention to the DPD and they haven't told us yet.

I don't know her intention but apparently you do. Keep us updated.
 
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More to this story. Either they had a relationship of some sort or she was intoxicated on a substance.

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+1. I think so.

According to a news report I heard this morning, she'd just completed a 15-hour shift. Furthermore, rather than park on the 3rd floor in her normal spot, she parked on the 4th floor. She enters the 4th floor apartment, finds the door open, receives no response when calling out to the victim, and opens fire. Thereafter, she calls 911. She's free on $300K bail.

I can't buy that alibi. Lock her stupid *** up and throw away the damned key.

Edit: Another report I saw a minute ago states witnesses heard her knock on the door before entering the victim's apartment.
 
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+1. I think so.

According to a news report I heard this morning, she'd just completed a 15-hour shift. Furthermore, rather than park on the 3rd floor in her normal spot, she parked on the 4th floor. She enters the 4th floor apartment, finds the door open, receives no response when calling out to the victim, and opens fire. Thereafter, she calls 911. She's free on $300K bail.

I can't buy that alibi. Lock her stupid *** up and throw away the damned key.

Edit: Another report I saw a minute ago states witnesses heard her knock on the door before entering the victim's apartment.
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She had to know the guy. Had to. Her getting off work I think rules out the intoxication.

I noticed the police spokesman trying to build a defense for her saying she gave the man several verbal commands that he disobeyed. What nonsense
 
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Following is the latest:

Jean was home alone when Guyger, still in uniform after her shift, entered the apartment, Dallas Police Chief Ulysha Renee Hall said Thursday.

Guyger parked her vehicle on the fourth floor, entered the building and walked toward what she thought was her apartment, according to an arrest warrant affidavit.

The door was slightly ajar as she tried to use her key, which has an electronic chip, to enter. When she was able to open the door, she saw the interior was nearly completely dark, according to the affidavit. She described seeing a large silhouette and, believing there was a burglar in her apartment, drew her firearm.

Her verbal commands to Jean were ignored, the affidavit said, and Guyger fired two shots at Jean, striking him once in the torso.

Guyger then entered the apartment, called 911 and started administering first aid to Jean.

She turned on the lights while on the phone with 911, and when they asked for her address, she realized she was in the wrong apartment.

Officers "responded in about four minutes," Hall said.

Guyger told responding officers that she thought she was in her own apartment when she fired her weapon.

Both apartments are identical or extremely similar in terms of layout, the affidavit says.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/09/10/us/dallas-police-officer-amber-guyger-arrest/index.html

Seems fishy to me.
 
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mktmaker said:
Following is the latest:

Jean was home alone when Guyger, still in uniform after her shift, entered the apartment, Dallas Police Chief Ulysha Renee Hall said Thursday.

Guyger parked her vehicle on the fourth floor, entered the building and walked toward what she thought was her apartment, according to an arrest warrant affidavit.

The door was slightly ajar as she tried to use her key, which has an electronic chip, to enter. When she was able to open the door, she saw the interior was nearly completely dark, according to the affidavit. She described seeing a large silhouette and, believing there was a burglar in her apartment, drew her firearm.

Her verbal commands to Jean were ignored, the affidavit said, and Guyger fired two shots at Jean, striking him once in the torso.

Guyger then entered the apartment, called 911 and started administering first aid to Jean.

She turned on the lights while on the phone with 911, and when they asked for her address, she realized she was in the wrong apartment.

Officers "responded in about four minutes," Hall said.

Guyger told responding officers that she thought she was in her own apartment when she fired her weapon.

Both apartments are identical or extremely similar in terms of layout, the affidavit says.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/09/10/us/dallas-police-officer-amber-guyger-arrest/index.html

Seems fishy to me.
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Yup.
 
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I’m hesitant to assume based solely on media reports, they are unreliable and many times we don’t know major details. That’s why we have trials because the court of public opinion is too easily swayed by whoever delivers the story.
 
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Xception said:
I’m hesitant to assume based solely on media reports, they are unreliable and many times we don’t know major details. That’s why we have trials because the court of public opinion is too easily swayed by whoever delivers the story.
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I am more skeptical about the story released by the police department.

Police departments are notoriously protective of their own.
 
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Lol her defense is he didnt respond to commands.

Why in the hell does anyone have to respond to commands in their own home to an intruder? If she gets away with that, say goodbye to the 4th amendment. Police will just kick down the door and claim "we gave commands"
 
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mktmaker said:
Following is the latest:

Jean was home alone when Guyger, still in uniform after her shift, entered the apartment, Dallas Police Chief Ulysha Renee Hall said Thursday.

Guyger parked her vehicle on the fourth floor, entered the building and walked toward what she thought was her apartment, according to an arrest warrant affidavit.

The door was slightly ajar as she tried to use her key, which has an electronic chip, to enter. When she was able to open the door, she saw the interior was nearly completely dark, according to the affidavit. She described seeing a large silhouette and, believing there was a burglar in her apartment, drew her firearm.

Her verbal commands to Jean were ignored, the affidavit said, and Guyger fired two shots at Jean, striking him once in the torso.

Guyger then entered the apartment, called 911 and started administering first aid to Jean.

She turned on the lights while on the phone with 911, and when they asked for her address, she realized she was in the wrong apartment.

Officers "responded in about four minutes," Hall said.

Guyger told responding officers that she thought she was in her own apartment when she fired her weapon.

Both apartments are identical or extremely similar in terms of layout, the affidavit says.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/09/10/us/dallas-police-officer-amber-guyger-arrest/index.html

Seems fishy to me.
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Essentially the police department doing their best to litigate the case in public...the apt was black, the door was ajar, there was a large silhouette, didn't listen to commands, etc..

I can easily see why people don't trust the police. The guy was shot dead in his own apartment and the best she was charged with is man-slaughter?
 
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The explanations/events do seem fishy, but "could" happen with regards to her entering the wrong apartment, I guess. Still, no doubt that she acted with excessive force and killed an innocent man.

1. I don't think there is any way possible she is not at least charged with and convicted of manslaughter. Her only hope is she is setting it up to reduce the potential of charging her with murder.
2. I do not think that this has anything to do with race unless some other information comes out about her past, known relationship with the victim, etc. I'm sure the media (news and social) will do everything to make this connection though.
3. I have no idea in the world why she would do this on purpose if the 2 didn't know each other or have an altercation in the past. If the DA can't connect the 2 in any way, will be much tougher to get murder charge conviction.

At any rate, this one is going to be tried in the court of public opinion. IMO, there is likely going to be a lesser charge than murder or a plea deal that will cause riots and protests that we can all enjoy for the next 3 months.
 
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Phil McKracken said:
2. I do not think that this has anything to do with race unless some other information comes out about her past, known relationship with the victim, etc. I'm sure the media (news and social) will do everything to make this connection though.
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The Police department and the union are already making it racial with langage such as "large silhouette", "not obeying orders", etc...
 
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