OK David Boren, I understand why you're upset with Sigma Alpha Epsilon

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Raysor

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With all due respect, I think you have it backwards.

Music that promotes cop killing and raping and other horrible things, is more dangerous than some stupid drunken idiocy from frat boys. Their attitudes are deplorable. And they should be sanctioned. And will be.

But the culture that promotes murder and other felonies as entertainment cannot be less so. It influences thousands, even millions of impressionable kids, and more than a few take it to heart.

The idea that waving a gun around police officers is anything but stupidly dangerous, is a huge problem. Expecting that if something horrible happens is always the fault of insensitive police is injurious to society as a whole. It's hard enough to find good people to put their lives on the line. For you to say that the promotion of that rebellious culture is not incredibly harmful and worse that stupid drunk sometimes barely past their teens or younger is so curious to me. Especially in light of the frequent posts here, I suspect by both of you, that when some kid drives after three beers, that who of us hasn't done the same thing.

So one act of youth stupidity is forgivable by you. But one that is only stupid speech is cause of national embarrassment. The media will be what it is. And this is an embarssment to OU. Unfairly, I would contend.

But why is this act the worst possible action. Many made the case here that an OU football player was close to justified in an assault on a young woman, because she used the N word. I just don't understand why that is the one action that is, with the possible exception of murder, the worst possible act, from your rhetoric here. Why is that worse than some football player on a football field, threatening to injure an opponent, which is considered by many here to be just gamesmenship? Getting in their head.

I can think of a hundred things that you consider to be tolerable in the constitutional freedom of speech. Which is this special in that regard.

I can't believe that you publically promote the act to seriously injure, to be less harmful than the private idiocy of drunk kids too young to drink in some states. Doesn't make me right and you wrong. But why is this the only speech that you'd seem to deem unacceptable?
 

Refdawg

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Please. Do not offer any attempt to justify this in any way. There is absolutely no discussion.

They were wrong. Boren was right. He took the right first step. The next step is to expel them and let them know that this type of thing is not tolerated.

Any discussion of Sharpton, the President, any song, or rap music is an unacceptable distraction and is not relevant.

Don't make yourself look racist by even offering any would-be defense of something so absurdly bigoted.
 

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Originally posted by JConXtsy:
I can't believe this thread continues to drum up support in its premise that the SAE chant should share the same fate as a Top 100 90s song. It's absolutely undeniably mind-blowing that anyone could even incubate such a connection.

You all sound like a bunch of backwards-thinking knuckleheads and are doing nothing but shaming the image of the school and state further.

You are not Sooners or Sooner fans.
Pretty much this. Attempting to compare the two, is really just a very feeble attempt to take the focus off what this fraternity did, by trying to make some sort of comparison to make it appear less than what it was. Before I responded to this thread, I went and found the video and watched it. It's pretty bad. I really can't believe a bus full of kids actually went along with that, singing it, and appearing to have a great time while doing it. It really just boggles the mind. And anyone trying to compare what I saw on that video with a popular song, just really doesn't get it at all.
 
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Originally posted by Plainosooner:
With all due respect, I think you have it backwards.

Music that promotes cop killing and raping and other horrible things, is more dangerous than some stupid drunken idiocy from frat boys. Their attitudes are deplorable. And they should be sanctioned. And will be.

But the culture that promotes murder and other felonies as entertainment cannot be less so. It influences thousands, even millions of impressionable kids, and more than a few take it to heart.

The idea that waving a gun around police officers is anything but stupidly dangerous, is a huge problem. Expecting that if something horrible happens is always the fault of insensitive police is injurious to society as a whole. It's hard enough to find good people to put their lives on the line. For you to say that the promotion of that rebellious culture is not incredibly harmful and worse that stupid drunk sometimes barely past their teens or younger is so curious to me. Especially in light of the frequent posts here, I suspect by both of you, that when some kid drives after three beers, that who of us hasn't done the same thing.

So one act of youth stupidity is forgivable by you. But one that is only stupid speech is cause of national embarrassment. The media will be what it is. And this is an embarssment to OU. Unfairly, I would contend.

But why is this act the worst possible action. Many made the case here that an OU football player was close to justified in an assault on a young woman, because she used the N word. I just don't understand why that is the one action that is, with the possible exception of murder, the worst possible act, from your rhetoric here. Why is that worse than some football player on a football field, threatening to injure an opponent, which is considered by many here to be just gamesmenship? Getting in their head.

I can think of a hundred things that you consider to be tolerable in the constitutional freedom of speech. Which is this special in that regard.

I can't believe that you publically promote the act to seriously injure, to be less harmful than the private idiocy of drunk kids too young to drink in some states. Doesn't make me right and you wrong. But why is this the only speech that you'd seem to deem unacceptable?
^^^^ For the record, I didn't read your continued babble. ^^^^
 

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Well, I can't believe how many folks are at least tacitly guilt ridden here over what a few drunk yayhoos on a bus said
Have some of you lost your minds?

Take heart.
They aren't going to close Oklahoma over this, and if a bunch of self serving 'saints' want to castigate a whole state over this **** then that is revealing of their ignorance, not ours.


This post was edited on 3/9 7:57 PM by Soonersincefitty
 

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@plainosoomer

It's important we realize the value of the discussion we have as a society because we miss opportunities to really learn about each other and have conversations that really matter. I don't listen to rap music, it's not my thing, but it would be irresponsible of me to not acknowledge that it culturally has its place whether I like it or not. You've used a moral blanket to categorize the content of entertainment without putting it in its proper context. Several things are wrong in that approach:
1) in a public forum your audience may not hold the same moral standard that you do.

2) while it may enhance you argument, it muddles the line of censorship.

3) it disregards assimilation because you frankly don't agree.

I highlight those points because I believe they all apply to your argument. The song for example has its place and context as entertainment, how that is interpreted by whom is another issue. I'm not saying you have to appreciate a song about violence, what I'm saying is culturally it has its place as entertainment. Personally it can have its place in the garbage in my house, but art is like that across the board. What I call beauty some would call pornographic. If this were the Middle Ages, I would face the inquisition for the art on my walls. Fortunately, we have learned that recognition of our differences are key to overcoming fears and stereotypes. Expressionism no matter how vile has its place in every society. Outlandish racism does not.

You mentioned an OU player assaulting a girl for calling him the N-word, I don't know the details in that issue. However, my opinion. If a player on my team assaults anyone for calling them the N word, I want that player off my team and prosecuted to the full extent of the law. I don't care what someone calls you, no one has the right to put their hands on someone without permission. The audacious nature of the action itself should offend everyone.
 
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Originally posted by PalmBeachCane:
@plainosoomer

It's important we realize the value of the discussion we have as a society because we miss opportunities to really learn about each other and have conversations that really matter. I don't listen to rap music, it's not my thing, but it would be irresponsible of me to not acknowledge that it culturally has its place whether I like it or not. You've used a moral blanket to categorize the content of entertainment without putting it in its proper context. Several things are wrong in that approach:
1) in a public forum your audience may not hold the same moral standard that you do.

2) while it may enhance you argument, it muddles the line of censorship.

3) it disregards assimilation because you frankly don't agree.

I highlight those points because I believe they all apply to your argument. The song for example has its place and context as entertainment, how that is interpreted by whom is another issue. I'm not saying you have to appreciate a song about violence, what I'm saying is culturally it has its place as entertainment. Personally it can have its place in the garbage in my house, but art is like that across the board. What I call beauty some would call pornographic. If this were the Middle Ages, I would face the inquisition for the art on my walls. Fortunately, we have learned that recognition of our differences are key to overcoming fears and stereotypes. Expressionism no matter how vile has its place in every society. Outlandish racism does not.

You mentioned an OU player assaulting a girl for calling him the N-word, I don't know the details in that issue. However, my opinion. If a player on my team assaults anyone for calling them the N word, I want that player off my team and prosecuted to the full extent of the law. I don't care what someone calls you, no one has the right to put their hands on someone without permission. The audacious nature of the action itself should offend everyone.
It didn't take you long to figure out tht Plaino is well written and also all about censorship. Welcome to the so called Peanut Gallery.

I wouldn't be bothered with this OP if I had read this complaint about jump around when OU first began to use it at games. But to bring this up now as some slight of Boren and OU in general is pretty weak sauce.
 

maize_N_brew

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Originally posted by WhyNotaSooner:

Originally posted by PalmBeachCane:
@plainosoomer

It's important we realize the value of the discussion we have as a society because we miss opportunities to really learn about each other and have conversations that really matter. I don't listen to rap music, it's not my thing, but it would be irresponsible of me to not acknowledge that it culturally has its place whether I like it or not. You've used a moral blanket to categorize the content of entertainment without putting it in its proper context. Several things are wrong in that approach:
1) in a public forum your audience may not hold the same moral standard that you do.

2) while it may enhance you argument, it muddles the line of censorship.

3) it disregards assimilation because you frankly don't agree.

I highlight those points because I believe they all apply to your argument. The song for example has its place and context as entertainment, how that is interpreted by whom is another issue. I'm not saying you have to appreciate a song about violence, what I'm saying is culturally it has its place as entertainment. Personally it can have its place in the garbage in my house, but art is like that across the board. What I call beauty some would call pornographic. If this were the Middle Ages, I would face the inquisition for the art on my walls. Fortunately, we have learned that recognition of our differences are key to overcoming fears and stereotypes. Expressionism no matter how vile has its place in every society. Outlandish racism does not.

You mentioned an OU player assaulting a girl for calling him the N-word, I don't know the details in that issue. However, my opinion. If a player on my team assaults anyone for calling them the N word, I want that player off my team and prosecuted to the full extent of the law. I don't care what someone calls you, no one has the right to put their hands on someone without permission. The audacious nature of the action itself should offend everyone.
It didn't take you long to figure out tht Plaino is well written and also all about censorship. Welcome to the so called Peanut Gallery.

I wouldn't be bothered with this OP if I had read this complaint about jump around when OU first began to use it at games. But to bring this up now as some slight of Boren and OU in general is pretty weak sauce.
WNAS..you really need to find the hatchet and bury it somewhere,
 

Unconquered

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This thread will most like not have a much longer life. And some of you that like to toss stones at one another will not be tolerated.
 
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