OL will be most improved position group in 2016

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Landon Young is a freak OT talent. If Leavitt lives up to his billing, you have your starting tackles and our edge improves dramatically. Asafo moves inside to OG next to Toth. Meyers holds down the final spot.

If Barker has the ability to perform at a high level, offense will be much improved.
 
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oboroCATfan

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The three biggest question marks about this team are OL, DL, and QB(which is scary because in the SEC these are the most important positions). If this team wants any shot at a bowl game then the OL being the most improved could really allow Barker to also appear to be one of the most improved as well.
 

seccats04

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I just saw way too much crappy play last year to believe it was mostly a lack of talent. Those guys never seemed to know where the pressure was coming from so I think the coaching was very sub par. I hope they prove me wrong next year but I thought Schlarman should've been the first domino to fall because his lines have been atrocious in his 3 years and were even worse last year even though they had four returning starters.
 

jauk11

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Agree with the OP, and if it isn't next year it will be the year after because not only should we have unreal talent for us but they will have some more experience-----AND if they aren't the most improved unit we will have a new OL coach that will coach them up. Although I am hoping for a much improved QB also, whether old with better coaching or new with better coaching------but as noted a big factor should also be better support from our OL AND other positions.

Who do we lose on offense, especially if the OL improves-----an easy question, NO ONE.
 

buckkiller

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I just saw way too much crappy play last year to believe it was mostly a lack of talent. Those guys never seemed to know where the pressure was coming from so I think the coaching was very sub par. I hope they prove me wrong next year but I thought Schlarman should've been the first domino to fall because his lines have been atrocious in his 3 years and were even worse last year even though they had four returning starters.


ABSOLUTELY THIS^^^^^
 
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We need in game coaching to be the most improved unit on the team. If we don't correct the atrociously, consistent coaching blunders itll be another long season.
 
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billoliver40

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I sure hope the o line is better. If we are counting on two raw freshmen and a junior college kid....none of the three having played a down in college...to turn the whole ship around in one season we are going to be disappointed.

More responsible or perhaps more reasonable calls by the coaching staff during games would tickle me.
 

Rockford

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OL needs to be the most improved position group next year if we are to go bowling.

The amount of QB sacks and TOL given up last season were absolutely offensive....... and not in the good way!
 
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Our secondary will be the most improved. We now have talented athletes that have played some meaningful snaps. On the OL, Leavitt will help but it will be a big step up for him. Young and Jackson will have to beat out guys that are more seasoned and experienced. They may have performed well at an All Star game, but what they will see out of SEC Ds is 100x better than those HS kids. They will be playing against guys ready to go to the NFL. By mid season our OL should be much better if we can stay healthy. If Young starts from game 1 this OLwill take some lumps, but maybe that's what is needed at this point.
 

Blue Decade

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Landon Young is a freak OT talent. If Leavitt lives up to his billing, you have your starting tackles and our edge improves dramatically. Asafo moves inside to OG next to Toth. Meyers holds down the final spot.

If Barker has the ability to perform at a high level, offense will be much improved.
Our offensive line will be improved in 2016, but not because of true freshmen. All freshman offensive linemen need redshirts. A year ago, we were told George Asafo Adjei was the new savior. GAA lasted as a starter for 4 games, should have redshirted. Jordan Swindle, Darrian Miller clearly should have redshirted. Can anyone remember the last time a true freshman offensive lineman played well for a full year as a Kentucky Wildcat? Aaron Miller and Kip Sixberry got the job done as true freshmen, but both flunked out of school the next spring. Antonio Hall started as a true freshman but had an underachieving career. All 3 were a long time ago. There is a lot of all star game hype now over Landon Young and Drake Jackson. I don't doubt that both will become excellent SEC players in a couple of years, but I just hope our coaches are smart enough to redshirt both in 2016. Tate Leavitt was 1 of the top juco offensive linemen in the country. Leavitt has said in interviews that he was recruited by Stoops and Schlarman to be Kentucky's starting left tackle in 2016. The other 4 starters are returning incumbents with an additional year of experience and conditioning under their belts. Eddie Gran's offensive system is different, and assignments for offensive linemen are generally simpler to execute. That's why our 2016 offensive line will be improved.
 

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Read the same type of post before this season, how the OLine will be so much better, and it was not.
This staff has not shown the ability to improve the play.
Hope the new coaching names aboard can help change this.
 

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Our offensive line will be improved in 2016, but not because of true freshmen. All freshman offensive linemen need redshirts. A year ago, we were told George Asafo Adjei was the new savior. GAA lasted as a starter for 4 games, should have redshirted. Jordan Swindle, Darrian Miller clearly should have redshirted. Can anyone remember the last time a true freshman offensive lineman played well for a full year as a Kentucky Wildcat? Aaron Miller and Kip Sixberry got the job done as true freshmen, but both flunked out of school the next spring. Antonio Hall started as a true freshman but had an underachieving career. All 3 were a long time ago. There is a lot of all star game hype now over Landon Young and Drake Jackson. I don't doubt that both will become excellent SEC players in a couple of years, but I just hope our coaches are smart enough to redshirt both in 2016. Tate Leavitt was 1 of the top juco offensive linemen in the country. Leavitt has said in interviews that he was recruited by Stoops and Schlarman to be Kentucky's starting left tackle in 2016. The other 4 starters are returning incumbents with an additional year of experience and conditioning under their belts. Eddie Gran's offensive system is different, and assignments for offensive linemen are generally simpler to execute. That's why our 2016 offensive line will be improved.
There is a lot of truth to the above post. If there is one position on a football team for which you could make an absolute case for red shirting, it is O-line. Starting a t-FR on the O-line speaks more to the weakness of your current group than the talent of the FR. That applies to AL as well as UK. O-line is a position where physical maturity is almost as important as "natural talent". In general, there is a lot of difference between a 6'4" 305 # FR and a 6'4" 305 # JR. That said, if Young and Leavitt are the "best" options that UK has next year, they will play but that is no guarantee they will excel. Over the years I have watched a number of true freshmen struggle on the O-line.

I might add that JUCO OLs are, historically, a real crap shoot regardless of their star rankings. Again, over the years I have seen more "disappoint" than produce. I always ask the question: "If 2 kids are more or less the same coming out of HS, who is more likely to be a 3rd year contributor to your program, a kid that has been in your program 2 years or a JUCO just coming in to your program"? Leavitt may certainly be one of the "exceptions" (there is a stunning difference between his offer sheet as a 2* HS-er and his offer sheet as a 4* JUCO) but I simply would not mark him down as an automatic 1st day starter quite yet. All JMO.

Peace
 

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Read the same type of post before this season, how the OLine will be so much better, and it was not.
This staff has not shown the ability to improve the play.
Hope the new coaching names aboard can help change this.
If our offensive line doesn't improve this year, I don't see how Schlarman can last. I have nothing against Schlarman, and appreciate the fact that he played football for Kentucky. But if Kentucky's football team doesn't improve significantly in 2016, then Stoops himself goes onto the hot seat. With his own job at stake, he won't be sentimentally attached to 1 assistant coach whose players aren't getting the job done.
 
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Blue Decade

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There is a lot of truth to the above post. If there is one position on a football team for which you could make an absolute case for red shirting, it is O-line. Starting a t-FR on the O-line speaks more to the weakness of your current group than the talent of the FR. That applies to AL as well as UK. O-line is a position where physical maturity is almost as important as "natural talent". In general, there is a lot of difference between a 6'4" 305 # FR and a 6'4" 305 # JR. That said, if Young and Leavitt are the "best" options that UK has next year, they will play but that is no guarantee they will excel. Over the years I have watched a number of true freshmen struggle on the O-line.

I might add that JUCO OLs are, historically, a real crap shoot regardless of their star rankings. Again, over the years I have seen more "disappoint" than produce. I always ask the question: "If 2 kids are more or less the same coming out of HS, who is more likely to be a 3rd year contributor to your program, a kid that has been in your program 2 years or a JUCO just coming in to your program"? Leavitt may certainly be one of the "exceptions" (there is a stunning difference between his offer sheet as a 2* HS-er and his offer sheet as a 4* JUCO) but I simply would not mark him down as an automatic 1st day starter quite yet. All JMO.

Peace
Actually, physical maturity is more important than natural talent for offensive linemen. Tate Leavitt has both. I think you are wrong about him, and I think I know what drives your sentiment. But solid blocking fundamentals are also essential, and that only comes with experience. I am a supporter of Stoops, but I saw him panic at times in 2015. I don't use that word lightly. I saw it happen with my own eyes, more than once. You can look at the careers of Darrian Miller and Jordan Swindle, no question in my mind those guys were badly hurt because they were not given redshirts. Joker knew he was on the hot seat, so he gambled with the careers true freshmen to try to save his own. In the end, everyone got the short end of the stick. I hope Stoops won't do the same. Landon Young and Drake Jackson have the natural talent to become great players. If they stay healthy, the only way to screw up their careers would be to play them as true freshmen, just like Stoops did with George Asafo Adjei. In the end, strong recruiting and great player development are the most important pieces for developing a college football program. Stoops has recruited well. If he wants to keep recruiting strong classes, he must develop his players the right way. If he does that, his career will prosper, and his players will also prosper. But Stoops is a 1st time head coach, so we will see. Being the oldest member of the staff, Gran might help with these decisions. I hope so. All freshman offensive linemen need redshirts, and the history at Kentucky proves it. There may be the rare exception, but Stoops cannot afford to take that chance. When he is fortunate enough to sign a player like Landon Young, he needs to take the long view for the good of all parties, ultimately including himself.
 

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Actually, physical maturity is more important than natural talent for offensive linemen. Tate Leavitt has both. I think you are wrong about him, and I think I know what drives your sentiment. But solid blocking fundamentals are also essential, and that only comes with experience. I am a supporter of Stoops, but I saw him panic at times in 2015. I don't use that word lightly. I saw it happen with my own eyes, more than once. You can look at the careers of Darrian Miller and Jordan Swindle, no question in my mind those guys were badly hurt because they were not given redshirts. Joker knew he was on the hot seat, so he gambled with the careers true freshmen to try to save his own. In the end, everyone got the short end of the stick. I hope Stoops won't do the same. Landon Young and Drake Jackson have the natural talent to become great players. If they stay healthy, the only way to screw up their careers would be to play them as true freshmen, just like Stoops did with George Asafo Adjei. In the end, strong recruiting and great player development are the most important pieces for developing a college football program. Stoops has recruited well. If he wants to keep recruiting strong classes, he must develop his players the right way. If he does that, his career will prosper, and his players will also prosper. But Stoops is a 1st time head coach, so we will see. Being the oldest member of the staff, Gran might help with these decisions. I hope so. All freshman offensive linemen need redshirts, and the history at Kentucky proves it. There may be the rare exception, but Stoops cannot afford to take that chance. When he is fortunate enough to sign a player like Landon Young, he needs to take the long view for the good of all parties, ultimately including himself.
Not sure what you mean there. The only thing that "drives my sentiment" is that I have seen a number of JUCOs be "much less than what was expected by fans" at the FBS level.

As far as coaches playing t-FR, IMO, most new staffs do not have the luxury of red shirting in bulk. They were brought in to reverse a losing trend and that almost always requires getting your best players on the field now. It is almost always an "all hands on deck" situation. Fans may be willing to wait a year or 2 but some "meaningful wins" must come by year 3. Stoops and Co. were certainly in that position following a 2 win inaugural season. Progress had to be demonstrated. I would all but guarantee you they would have burnt even more red shirts the past 2 years if they thought it would have produced that critical 6th win.

All, of course, JMO.

Peace
 
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Actually, physical maturity is more important than natural talent for offensive linemen. Tate Leavitt has both. I think you are wrong about him, and I think I know what drives your sentiment. But solid blocking fundamentals are also essential, and that only comes with experience. I am a supporter of Stoops, but I saw him panic at times in 2015. I don't use that word lightly. I saw it happen with my own eyes, more than once. You can look at the careers of Darrian Miller and Jordan Swindle, no question in my mind those guys were badly hurt because they were not given redshirts. Joker knew he was on the hot seat, so he gambled with the careers true freshmen to try to save his own. In the end, everyone got the short end of the stick. I hope Stoops won't do the same. Landon Young and Drake Jackson have the natural talent to become great players. If they stay healthy, the only way to screw up their careers would be to play them as true freshmen, just like Stoops did with George Asafo Adjei. In the end, strong recruiting and great player development are the most important pieces for developing a college football program. Stoops has recruited well. If he wants to keep recruiting strong classes, he must develop his players the right way. If he does that, his career will prosper, and his players will also prosper. But Stoops is a 1st time head coach, so we will see. Being the oldest member of the staff, Gran might help with these decisions. I hope so. All freshman offensive linemen need redshirts, and the history at Kentucky proves it. There may be the rare exception, but Stoops cannot afford to take that chance. When he is fortunate enough to sign a player like Landon Young, he needs to take the long view for the good of all parties, ultimately including himself.


Three loud and lusty cheers for football knowledge and a view towards the future. However, I fear they'll be thrown on the SEC football bonfire too early just to get that meaningless sixth game.
 

TJS4UK

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Just my guess...

Luke Fortner is an automatic RS.

I also expect that Drake Jackson should RS. Ramsey Meyers & GAA should be the starters @ Guard with Toth @ Center. There are several back ups who are more than capable. Jackson will have to be downright incredible to justify burning his RS. So on that point, I do agree with Blue Decade.

Landon Young is a totally different deal though. I didn't think that he would RS before the AAA game. Now I am even more confident that he won't. He is a freak OT and quite possibly the best OT recruit in the country. I not only think that he plays. I think that he starts.

Tate Leavitt is a lock to start & I think that he will play well. I think he could become a dominate RT if Landon Young locks down the LT spot.
 

seccats04

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Young will not RS. We don't have enough depth at OT to do so plus, he probably goes pro before year 4-5 anyway. OT's are high priority for the NFL. Drake OTOH will RS. C and OG are well equipped and C's rarely go pro early.
 
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