One more thread about CC

[GatoLouco]

At the podium he was asked what his play calling for the last 4 minutes was. He went on to basically say it was as good as Purdue’s, but they just made shots. What a joke. I know he needs to play some self preservation. But what lack of humbleness, stating it’s the players’ youth, they will break through, bla bla bla. Take some damn responsibility. The players might respect you more. You spent four minutes where you had one clean look and you hold on to it to justify you had it but the players just could not put it away.

What you are achieving is the payers losing trust in your decisions. Soon, if not now already, they will question every decision you make. God forbid that becomes news on the recruiting trail, that CC can’t coach.

The tourney team broke through he said. BS. Broke through so much that we won 6 games the season after. Oh yeah, this guy was banged up, All State... could not possibly be poor coaching. What a coincidence, the next season we had a pretty decent amount of talent. Won 4 games. No pure PG, allucination of injuries hurting us, bla bla bla. Could not be poor coaching, could it?

This season, we fight, we’re young, we just don’t make shots. All true, but it happens in every single MF’ing game. Even against Nebraska we choke, just not enough. No way we could, should, have a couple more victories??? Could not be coaching. No. Not that.

Next season, in all likeliness, we will be fielding a team of players who don’t believe the coach they play for.

Bottom line: If you believe he is a good coach, you are admitting he is the unluckiest coach on the planet

 

[NUChicago]

First thing that popped in my head after the postgame interview was that he took no accountability. JP needs to do some work that doesn't include constructing buildings.

 

[NJCat]

When he says "I've been here before, we were 1-10 in the B1G my second season" that isn't exactly something to brag about.......

 

[JournCat]

First thing that popped in my head after the postgame interview was that he took no accountability. JP needs to do some work that doesn't include constructing buildings.

His face showed plenty of accountability. He looked like he had lost a loved one. Whatever his mistakes, it’s hard to doubt the guy is living and (mostly) dying with our failures this year.

 

[GatoLouco]

His face showed plenty of accountability. He looked like he had lost a loved one. Whatever his mistakes, it’s hard to doubt the guy is living and (mostly) dying with our failures this year.

His face showed he was frustrated. Not sure about showing anything else. But feeling the pain is not exactly the same as taking at least some of the blame for losing winnable games over and over again.

Unfortunately more and more I think we will see a 21-22 season where we have talent to win 10 to 12 games. But ultimately win 7 to 9, because bad coaching cost us 3 wins. Then we will make excuses, like we always do.

 

[willycat]

His face showed he was frustrated. Not sure about showing anything else. But feeling the pain is not exactly the same as taking at least some of the blame for losing winnable games over and over again.

Unfortunately more and more I think we will see a 21-22 season where we have talent to win 10 to 12 games. But ultimately win 7 to 9, because bad coaching cost us 3 wins. Then we will make excuses, like we always do.

Don't you think it's time to put the blame where it belongs? Squarely on the shoulders of the players. yes Chris is a first time HC but his father was a darn good coach in the NBA, so some of that has to rub off onto him. Also Brian James has 13 years of coaching experience in the pros and Emanuel Dildy has previously been an assistant at Valpo., Missouri and Loyola. Jon Borovich was a associate HC at Northern and also was an assistant at Dayton. These guys sure have lots of coaching experience but cannot bring the ball up the court or make shots.

 

[GatoLouco]

No. I don't. It falls back on the head coach. He either makes good decisions or defers to those who can make them.

You do not stop running the offense until late in the shot clock with 4 minutes to go. Want one more piece of information to support that? Purdue tied the game with 50 seconds to go. Not within seconds to go. Way too early.

There is a reason so many teams press full court with little hope of making a steal. It is to steal seconds from the shot clock from the other team. Because with 25 seconds to go when you start the attack, you can run 2 or 3 different plays. You have multiple chances of finding a good shot. With 12 seconds to go it is find a good shot or jack any shot up. We decided to give ourselves 1 chance per possession.

CC lovers will see good shots where there are none. We had one really good look in all the sets we run from the 4 minute mark until they tied the game. Then we ran a decent possession while tied, and Young lost the ball.

Either CC called for stall ball with 4 players on the baseline, or the players did. If the players did, he had 2 time outs to use. He used one, with 3 seconds to go.

He lost the game. He takes zero blame for it. Good coaches would take some, even if they did not believe it was their fault. Because that's how you build a cohesive group. You shield players that put in a good effort. You give them confidence.

 

[JournCat]

No. I don't. It falls back on the head coach. He either makes good decisions or defers to those who can make them.

You do not stop running the offense until late in the shot clock with 4 minutes to go. Want one more piece of information to support that? Purdue tied the game with 50 seconds to go. Not within seconds to go. Way too early.

There is a reason so many teams press full court with little hope of making a steal. It is to steal seconds from the shot clock from the other team. Because with 25 seconds to go when you start the attack, you can run 2 or 3 different plays. You have multiple chances of finding a good shot. With 12 seconds to go it is find a good shot or jack any shot up. We decided to give ourselves 1 chance per possession.

CC lovers will see good shots where there are none. We had one really good look in all the sets we run from the 4 minute mark until they tied the game. Then we ran a decent possession while tied, and Young lost the ball.

Either CC called for stall ball with 4 players on the baseline, or the players did. If the players did, he had 2 time outs to use. He used one, with 3 seconds to go.

He lost the game. He takes zero blame for it. Good coaches would take some, even if they did not believe it was their fault. Because that's how you build a cohesive group. You shield players that put in a good effort. You give them confidence.

Hard to disagree with a single line here ...

 

[Medill90]

I watched the press conference and I don't understand the criticism here that indicates Collins is taking no blame and only blaming his players.

I literally see none of that in the video. He is complimentary towards his players, repeatedly says they continue to fight at a high level, etc., etc.

He talks about this being a young group and the fact that the team needs to learn to win. Compares them favorably to the B Mac team.

The indication that he's putting the loss at his players' feet just is not backed up by the video.

 

[willycat]

Hard to disagree with a single line here ...

So which previous NU coach would you rather have at this time?

 

[JournCat]

So which previous NU coach would you rather have at this time?

Dutch Lonborg? Seriously, I don't think Collins should be replaced this year, but everyone should face a lot of pressure next year to show serious improvement (let's say a .500 overall record or better).

 

[GatoLouco]

I watched the press conference and I don't understand the criticism here that indicates Collins is taking no blame and only blaming his players.

I literally see none of that in the video. He is complimentary towards his players, repeatedly says they continue to fight at a high level, etc., etc.

He talks about this being a young group and the fact that the team needs to learn to win. Compares them favorably to the B Mac team.

The indication that he's putting the loss at his players' feet just is not backed up by the video.

I disagree. But will admit that it's open for interpretation. Logic is not necessarily the same for you as it is for me.

I went back and listened to it again. But it did not make me change my mind.

For me, if you say the BMac team lost a lot, before they finally broke through, and that this team is losing and is going to break through, you are implying the coaching decisions were fine.

For me, if you are asked about your play calling, in the last 4 minutes (clearly loaded question from someone who was as puzzled as some of us), and basically sum it up that it was just as good as Purdue's, the looks were as good, but simply they made shots and we didn't, you are implying the players lost the game, coaching was fine.

For me if you say you are really proud of the team, and that for 37 minutes they executed well. You are giving quite a back handed compliment. You are implying, again, that the players lost the game in the last 3 minutes and, once more, coaching was fine.

 

[willycat]

I disagree. But will admit that it's open for interpretation. Logic is not necessarily the same for you as it is for me.

I went back and listened to it again. But it did not make me change my mind.

For me, if you say the BMac team lost a lot, before they finally broke through, and that this team is losing and is going to break through, you are implying the coaching decisions were fine.

For me, if you are asked about your play calling, in the last 4 minutes (clearly loaded question from someone who was as puzzled as some of us), and basically sum it up that it was just as good as Purdue's, the looks were as good, but simply they made shots and we didn't, you are implying the players lost the game, coaching was fine.

For me if you say you are really proud of the team, and that for 37 minutes they executed well. You are giving quite a back handed compliment. You are implying, again, that the players lost the game in the last 3 minutes and, once more, coaching was fine.

Those were players and not coaches on the floor those last three minutes, right?

 

[hdhntr1]

At the podium he was asked what his play calling for the last 4 minutes was. He went on to basically say it was as good as Purdue’s, but they just made shots. What a joke. I know he needs to play some self preservation. But what lack of humbleness, stating it’s the players’ youth, they will break through, bla bla bla. Take some damn responsibility. The players might respect you more. You spent four minutes where you had one clean look and you hold on to it to justify you had it but the players just could not put it away.

What you are achieving is the payers losing trust in your decisions. Soon, if not now already, they will question every decision you make. God forbid that becomes news on the recruiting trail, that CC can’t coach.

The tourney team broke through he said. BS. Broke through so much that we won 6 games the season after. Oh yeah, this guy was banged up, All State... could not possibly be poor coaching. What a coincidence, the next season we had a pretty decent amount of talent. Won 4 games. No pure PG, allucination of injuries hurting us, bla bla bla. Could not be poor coaching, could it?

This season, we fight, we’re young, we just don’t make shots. All true, but it happens in every single MF’ing game. Even against Nebraska we choke, just not enough. No way we could, should, have a couple more victories??? Could not be coaching. No. Not that.

Next season, in all likeliness, we will be fielding a team of players who don’t believe the coach they play for.

Bottom line: If you believe he is a good coach, you are admitting he is the unluckiest coach on the planet

Does he say that players turned the ball over 4 times in that 4 minutes? While it might be true that there were some bad decisions on his part, also true that players executed like terribly. Luck is part of it. Not all but definitely part.

Honestly, I feel that the loss of Baldwin is still being felt

 

[GatoLouco]

Those were players and not coaches on the floor those last three minutes, right?

I'm not really sure how to answer that. Yes, those were players on the floor. In the last 3 minutes and in every minute of every game played. Really confused, what is the coach there for then? To watch the game?

 

[GatoLouco]

Does he say that players turned the ball over 4 times in that 4 minutes? While it might be true that there were some bad decisions on his part, also true that players executed like terribly. Luck is part of it. Not all but definitely part.

Honestly, I feel that the loss of Baldwin is still being felt

I did not suggest the players made no mistakes. I suggested CC should have taken at least some of the blame. I'd respect him for it. As it is:
1) he believes he made no major mistake
2) he knows he did, and is just too proud to admit he let the team down

Either way is terrifying to me. But I understand this is because I believe it was a very poor coaching job. Folks who believe otherwise, could not expect the press conference to have been different.

 

[hoosboot]

Those were players and not coaches on the floor those last three minutes, right?

I guess we should expect to never see you giving CCC credit for any success we have in the future because it will be players out there on the floor and not coaches.

 

[haywood jahblowme]

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[xxxbobxxx]

Those were players and not coaches on the floor those last three minutes, right?

If the coaches play no role, eliminate them and save some money.