Only coach greater than K.
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I disagree. I would take many, many coaches over Summit (on the mens side of things). She was a great coach but I would take Auriema over her in just woman's hoops alone. That's not to take away the things she accomplished though. She is a legend. RIP
Without Pat there is no UCONN. She created it and it's hard to say who's better but she more than held her own at UT against him.. Her 90s teams and Candace Parker teams were nasty. As far as her greater than K no but I'd put her top 5 basketball coaches overall as far as Cal ever being considered the best Hahahaha he won't be top 10 ever..
With all that said the only two basketball coaches I'd take over pat to win me one game is K and Knight
With all that said the only two basketball coaches I'd take over pat to win me one game is K and Knight
Disagree. As @pisgah101 said, UConn and Geno never exist if Coach Summitt didn't do everything she did for the game.
That doesn't mean she is better than Geno. It's like saying with Bobby Knight, there is no coach K. Coach K is a better coach than Knight though. By almost every single measurable. Frankly, there is no Geno without Jim Calhoun. Calhoun is responsible for the success UConn has had (in almost every sport the school has) and even Geno admits that.
I stand by my position on this, I would rather have anyone in the top 10 of mens hoops to coach my team over Summit. Not a slight on Summit. I just think if most are being honest and not caught up in the emotion her very sad death, they would admit it as well. JMO.
Again, just because a coach lays out the foundation for other coaches, it doesn't make them better. Have you seen the run Geno is on? Read my last post on Knight and Coach K. Tell me where I am wrong on that.
She is an icon. No arguing that from me. I just think the game in which she coached in is much, much different than the game the mens coaches participate in. Can you say with certainty that Summit could coach on the level with the legends of the mens game? I am not persoanlly.
My Mount Rushmore for coaches would probably include Dean Smith, Roy Williams, Frank McGuire, and Norman Shepard. I give a slight edge to Shepard over Coach K for winning the 1924 Helms National Title.
Can you say Geno could? No doubt geno is on a roll but who can stop him? But When summitt was at UT he had a challenge and ever since a disease took her away he hasn't had anyone on the same level
Well, there isn't really a certain answer to this question. It's all subjective. Personally, I think she could have been a hell of a men's coach and had great success. Granted, I'm biased as a native Tennessean.
The Beatles may have been better than Elvis. But Elvis created a universe in which the Beatles could excel.
Not my most tortured analogy.
Summitt's role as a pioneer sets her apart from Geno, K, Knight, DES, et.al. They all excelled in a mature environment. Summitt helped create a mature environment.
And then dominated it.
Not my most tortured analogy.
Summitt's role as a pioneer sets her apart from Geno, K, Knight, DES, et.al. They all excelled in a mature environment. Summitt helped create a mature environment.
And then dominated it.
It's a complete apples and oranges conversation. Very sad death and someone that young losing a battle to Alzheimer's is really a shame. Way too soon.
I'm not going to overreact and compare her accomplishments in her world vs. those of an icon like K in another. I don't think that's fair on any either. They dealt with completely different obstacles, competitors, etc.
I'm not going to overreact and compare her accomplishments in her world vs. those of an icon like K in another. I don't think that's fair on any either. They dealt with completely different obstacles, competitors, etc.
She is the G.W.O.A.T. The men's and women's game is totally different with the competition the biggest. Taking away nothing from Coach Summitt but Coach K is better. To be honest no comparison should be made. OFC
My understanding is that Coach Summitt coached the most like a men's coach as any women's coach. She was tough, strict, managed to get HS all-americans play as a team. She really had all the qualities that K has. Yes I think she would have been a great men's coach but who cares? She was the best in her chosen field. It's like comparing Coach K to Red Auerbach.
OT, but we do the "Rushmore of _____" wrong. People always want to pick 4. That's not even enough for a starting line-up. And they represent only about 130-some years of US history, so FDR wasn't even in consideration, or JFK, Carter, or Obama. And President Coolidge decided it needed to be Washington, 2 Republicans, and one Democrat. So there are all kinds of circumstances that make Mt Rushmore an inappropriate label for a list of all-time greats.
Tomorrow I'll explain why Romeo & Juliet are awful people to compare a happy couple to.
Tomorrow I'll explain why Romeo & Juliet are awful people to compare a happy couple to.
Considering nobody in your list would be on there I think we r safe.
It may be deemed "inappropriate," but its a common reference tool thats been promoted for decades measuring "all-time greats." It makes for interesting discussion, like this thread...
OFC
The Beatles greater than Elvis? What world u in??
I suspect there's a strong generational influence at pull here. I was five when Elvis changed the world. I was 13 when the Beatles changed the world.
Pat Summit was a great mentor for Ladys sports in general. I listened to several sports analyst saying she was the greatest of all time as far as coaches go. I agree that she did do great things for the sport but the best of all time im not sure about. There has only been truly 2 ladys programs in the NCAA and then everyone else. She did not have to battle giants everytime she stepped on the floor. It was Tenn. and then everyone else. Same as today. Its UConn and everyone else. There is more parity in Ladys BB today than in the past but it will never be at the level that a Coach K or a Dean Smith faced.
An unrelated political debate doesn't belong in a thread praising Coach Summitt and her life's work. Give it a rest dude or start another thread.
I am glad that someone pointed out the lack of parity in women's BB. Not to take away anything from Pat, she was great, but the parity in women's BB, doesn't begin to compare with mens.
I think there is more parity in Men's basketball then in Women's basketball. Dominating in a non-parity environment is much easier once you have the position. K has been able to achieve an outstanding record in a more competitive arena.
Why? Well I think a lack of a path past college in women's basketball funneled the best players into 1 school. Now with a minor professional life after college there are now a few schools -- UConn, Baylor, Tenn.
Coach Summit was awesome and outstanding, but not best out there.
Why? Well I think a lack of a path past college in women's basketball funneled the best players into 1 school. Now with a minor professional life after college there are now a few schools -- UConn, Baylor, Tenn.
Coach Summit was awesome and outstanding, but not best out there.
I can't, which is my point. It is incredibility difficult to compare the two vast different games. I happen to think both Geno and Summit would be just another couple good coaches on the men's level. JMO. Again, she is a legend on the woman side of basketball and a pioneer. However that does not always equal them being better.