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So after the European Parliament elections in France, the French President dissolved the National Assembly and called for a snap election.

I’m not familiar with French politics. Who can tell me why this is a strategic move after the right-wing did surprisingly well in the European Parliament elections? Why wouldn’t it be similar results in the National Assembly?
 

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So after the European Parliament elections in France, the French President dissolved the National Assembly and called for a snap election.

I’m not familiar with French politics. Who can tell me why this is a strategic move after the right-wing did surprisingly well in the European Parliament elections? Why wouldn’t it be similar results in the National Assembly?
What I see is he thinks less people will vote far right if it's real, and not just a protest. I also think he thinks if they win power that they'll do unpopular things and lose support, rather than sit on the sidelines and complain and gain support, so it's a sort of win-win for him.
 

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What I see is he thinks less people will vote far right if it's real, and not just a protest. I also think he thinks if they win power that they'll do unpopular things and lose support, rather than sit on the sidelines and complain and gain support, so it's a sort of win-win for him.
“Far right”

Ultra conservative? What is that, Ward 17ing Cleaver?
 
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What I see is he thinks less people will vote far right if it's real, and not just a protest. I also think he thinks if they win power that they'll do unpopular things and lose support, rather than sit on the sidelines and complain and gain support, so it's a sort of win-win for him.
Yup. But Le Pen isn't really far right as much as she wants to severely limit immigration although her movement has antisemitic roots. But, if you're not on the left get called far right and hope no one questions you. She's more of a socialist than Macron. But he's throwing down the gauntlet to see if the French really want to move right. Parisians aren't happy that many from North Africa and the Middle East don't want to assimilate. They don't seem to have that problem with the Chinese who moved to Paris. There are some parts of Paris, near La Gare du Nord and my favorite metro stop, Stalingrad (not really my favorite) that are incredibly sketchy. The French are cultural conservatives but not in the way Americans use the term. They value their culture, they want to preserve it and they're not ashamed of their past. They expect immigrants to embrace it but that's not happening as much as they want. They aren't religious conservatives like Americans. Anyway, immigration is the key issue. What's happened in America over the past few decades, massive immigration, is happening to Europe in a matter of years. As in America, political leaders defy public opinion when it comes to immigration. They might not be able to continue to do so.
 

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The assimilation problem has been going on over there for over 10 years. When I was there in 2014 training for work, the sister-in-law of a French co-worker told me "The problem is, many people who come to our country don't want to be French. They only come here to get free stuff from our government. It is so bad in some places that if you wear a t-shirt with a French flag on it, you will be called a racist." Another thing about the French, if a Frenchman were as aggressive with a rifle in his hands as he is with a steering wheel, the Germans would have never stepped foot across the border. Over there, there is no merge onto the highway. He's coming off of that ramp without checking up or looking so you better adjust your speed or move over.
 

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“Far right”

Ultra conservative? What is that, Ward 17ing Cleaver?
I think far right in the European context just means somebody that doesn’t adhere to “elite” articles of faith in one or more of a few areas. I think the main ones that actually ties together political opposition are disagreeing that unfettered immigration is good and believing traditional western european values can actually be morally and practically superior to those of immigrants.
But I think questioning the environmentalism agenda (eg Dutch farmers) is another. Questioning any response to Covid, no matter how draconian and nonsensical is another.
 
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It's a strategic move by Macron to make sure he keeps power before it goes to far. There is thought that the French populace would be hesitant to put the right wing party in power domestically (These elections over the weekend were EU elections). It could back fire tremendously and France could be facing a Frexit, which could lead to a Czech Out, Quitaly, Swedone, and Beljump.

As others have opined "Far Right" in Europe basically means "Not Progressive Left." Le Pen is Bernie Sanders economically (socialist), although she is anti-integration (nationalist). You could call her a national socialist.
 

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She's a nationalist and socialist with Jewish advisors. It's immigration and expansion of the welfare state for her. Her dad was a big antisemite. She likely needs to move right economically because populist economic policies don't typically go well. But immigration is the key and the Green Party was the big loser in recent EU elections. The Greens are idiots. A more right-wing party is AfD in Germany. Merkel let in a bunch of Arabs who still have high unemployment rates and seem to acquire large families and a few stabby knives. The Turks aren't happy with their Arab population either, btw. Our war in Iraq and the Syrian civil war created lots of refugees. As with the Palestinian situation, Muslim nations don't want to add Arab refugees and would rather they go to Europe.

Macron has rejected wokism, it has origins in French cultural theory (Foucault) so they've had to deal with a few moral exhibitionists telling them how awful France, French culture and French history is. French adults are less likely than Americans to be shamed. For instance, France once controlled Haiti as a slave state and don't have guilt over it. They're more likely to say Haitians need to get over it, get their merde together and create a functioning society instead of one lea by BBQ.

French mustard is awesome, btw. I like France and Paris, btw, and go there once a year. The French like Americans too.
 

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and toast, don't forget french toast. I had some at a restaurant this weekend made w/ raisin bread, it was awesome.
Pain Perdu and Brioche Perdu are on French menus. Lots of cafes have sit-down breakfast and in French style they open around 9 am.
 

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What I see is he thinks less people will vote far right if it's real, and not just a protest. I also think he thinks if they win power that they'll do unpopular things and lose support, rather than sit on the sidelines and complain and gain support, so it's a sort of win-win for him.
No, what's happening is he is trying to capitalize on the shock/awe energy that his party is feeling right now over the losses in hopes that it will drive turnout and keep he and his party in power. It's a high-risk bid to hold power before the Olympics start.

What he is failing to recognize is that the world is starting to vote their best interest and what's best for their families and their country. And you should knock it off with the "far right" BS. People are sick of that dishonest crap.
 
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Reading this post let me know why some of you think Mississippi is the best state to live in and others think it's not.
 

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It's a strategic move by Macron to make sure he keeps power before it goes to far. There is thought that the French populace would be hesitant to put the right wing party in power domestically (These elections over the weekend were EU elections). It could back fire tremendously and France could be facing a Frexit, which could lead to a Czech Out, Quitaly, Swedone, and Beljump.
This makes sense to me. Perhaps the thought is we do this now or in 1-3 years. In 1-3 years, it could be worse for the Left.
No, what's happening is he is trying to capitalize on the shock/awe energy that his party is feeling right now over the losses in hopes that it will drive turnout and keep he and his party in power. It's a high-risk bid to hold power before the Olympics start.
This makes sense, too. I think if we had had a redo election in December 2016, Democrat turnout would have been massive.
 

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No, what's happening is he is trying to capitalize on the shock/awe energy that his party is feeling right now over the losses in hopes that it will drive turnout and keep he and his party in power. It's a high-risk bid to hold power before the Olympics start.

What he is failing to recognize is that the world is starting to vote their best interest and what's best for their families and their country. And you should knock it off with the "far right" BS. People are sick of that dishonest crap.
Her own people overwhelmingly describe her as far right.


This is the same crap we always see from far right conservatives: claim you're a populist to win election, but never govern that way.


"What he is failing to recognize is that the world is starting to vote their best interest and what's best for their families and their country"

This is both hilarious, yet sad. Hilarious that the niche interests of billionaires is in the best interest of voters, sad that anyone falls for it. I get that people have concerns with immigration (even outside the racist parts), but it's hilarious and sad to think these Parties owned lock, stock, and barrel by billionaires are going to do anything about it. These parties exist to enrich their patrons, and take whatever BS position they need to to get enough votes to do it. That's all they are, all they will be in our lifetimes.
 
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Her own people overwhelmingly describe her as far right.


This is the same crap we always see from far right conservatives: claim you're a populist to win election, but never govern that way.


"What he is failing to recognize is that the world is starting to vote their best interest and what's best for their families and their country"

This is both hilarious, yet sad. Hilarious that the niche interests of billionaires is in the best interest of voters, sad that anyone falls for it. I get that people have concerns with immigration (even outside the racist parts), but it's hilarious and sad to think these Parties owned lock, stock, and barrel by billionaires are going to do anything about it. These parties exist to enrich their patrons, and take whatever BS position they need to to get enough votes to do it. That's all they are, all they will be in our lifetimes.
If by "her own people," you mean the media, yeah, that's no surprise. Rachel Maddow went on a 20 minute rant last night calling Christians "ultra right wing" last night.

Le Pen is Bernie Sanders if he was anti-illegal immigration. Virtually nothing about her is "far right."

It's dishonest. But by all means, please keep going.
 

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If by "her own people," you mean the media, yeah, that's no surprise. Rachel Maddow went on a 20 minute rant last night calling Christians "ultra right wing" last night.

Le Pen is Bernie Sanders if he was anti-illegal immigration. Virtually nothing about her is "far right."

It's dishonest. But by all means, please keep going.
I saw some TV ratings this morning and was wondering who the 1 person was that watched Rachel Maddow. Didnt figure it to be you.
 

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You guys are just ate up with the political bug… I can’t even manage to stay engaged with American politics and here you guys are discussing stuff in France.
 

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You guys are just ate up with the political bug… I can’t even manage to stay engaged with American politics and here you guys are discussing stuff in France.
It will be interesting to see if results in Europe are a preview of results in the United States, like in 2016.
 
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Pain Perdu and Brioche Perdu are on French menus. Lots of cafes have sit-down breakfast and in French style they open around 9 am.
Pizza. Don't forget pizza. Every Frenchman is SE France will tell you that they, not the Italians, invented pizza. Also, the way we all have grills on the back deck, they all have outdoor brick pizza ovens.
 

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Her own people overwhelmingly describe her as far right.


This is the same crap we always see from far right conservatives: claim you're a populist to win election, but never govern that way.


"What he is failing to recognize is that the world is starting to vote their best interest and what's best for their families and their country"

This is both hilarious, yet sad. Hilarious that the niche interests of billionaires is in the best interest of voters, sad that anyone falls for it. I get that people have concerns with immigration (even outside the racist parts), but it's hilarious and sad to think these Parties owned lock, stock, and barrel by billionaires are going to do anything about it. These parties exist to enrich their patrons, and take whatever BS position they need to to get enough votes to do it. That's all they are, all they will be in our lifetimes.
She's not just far right but she's an extra super duper far right extremist who is far right and extremist. She's a far right conservative. BTW, wtf is that?
Her own people overwhelmingly describe her as far right.


This is the same crap we always see from far right conservatives: claim you're a populist to win election, but never govern that way.


"What he is failing to recognize is that the world is starting to vote their best interest and what's best for their families and their country"

This is both hilarious, yet sad. Hilarious that the niche interests of billionaires is in the best interest of voters, sad that anyone falls for it. I get that people have concerns with immigration (even outside the racist parts), but it's hilarious and sad to think these Parties owned lock, stock, and barrel by billionaires are going to do anything about it. These parties exist to enrich their patrons, and take whatever BS position they need to to get enough votes to do it. That's all they are, all they will be in our lifetimes.
Dude you're pointing out hypocrisy and claiming it represents a spot on the political spectrum. Try again. And you're just cynical. You wrote: "Her own people overwhelmingly describe her as far right." Can you point that out in the article? The article has this: "One answer is that a populist leader like Ms Le Pen doesn't fit neatly on to this simple left-right scale."

"includes support for a traditional way of life and having strong law and order policies." OMG, what kind of fascist supports law and order and likes French culture? That's madness, far right stuff. Extra far right if you ask me.

And, btw, this comment is absolutely sickening. There should be no favoritism shown to current French citizens and the people who helped make France an awesome country. Migrants and anyone claiming immigrant status should enjoy all the same rights. In fact, if you replace all current French people with Somalis nothing would change cause there's nothing unique or special about being French, amirite? And if you don't support open borders you're clearly far right: "Le Pen wants to change the constitution to legalise discrimination against immigrants and prioritise French nationals for employment and benefits. It sounds kind of left-wing but it's also extremely authoritarian at the same time." Notice "extremely authoritarian" rather than just "authoritarian." No bias there.

The left hyperventilates, calls all sorts of normal things far right, demonizes people for preferring their own culture and then wonder why people don't like leftoids. They said the same thing about Meloni in Italy. "She's a fascist. She's far right and dangerous" and yet she doesn't seem to be doing anything out of the ordinary. Macron embraces French culture as much as Le Pen. And the white, successful left in Paris do what white progressives do in America: live in lily white neighborhoods and enclaves but call others racists.
 
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