OT: Penn State Moving Forward with Major Renovations to Sackett Building, Hammond Demolition

CyphaPSU

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I believe I heard this from one of my professors in the geography department that the Hammond Building was designed and built without taking into account the Earth's curvature. A building of its length needs to accommodate for the roundness of Earth. Because they built it inward from the two ends, when the two ends of the structure were to be joined in the middle there was a small gap left thanks to calcs which, as I stated, neglected curvature. Of course, they found a way to fill in the gap but that gap is still visible when walking along the building even until this day.

If that story is actually true, I always found it amusing (as a geography major) that an edifice primarily used for engineering classes was built without an important geographic aspect included in their building design calcs.
 

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I forget...is it Hammond we're looking at while enjoying a Friday afternoon at Cafe 210?
 
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Where will the money printing press be located when Hammond is burned down to the ground? Asking for Neeli, the bot, and Franklin.
The BOT was talking to that genius guy, um, Sam Bankman-Fried. They converted all the PSU endowment into crypto.
 

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I believe I heard this from one of my professors in the geography department that the Hammond Building was designed and built without taking into account the Earth's curvature. A building of its length needs to accommodate for the roundness of Earth. Because they built it inward from the two ends, when the two ends of the structure were to be joined in the middle there was a small gap left thanks to calcs which, as I stated, neglected curvature. Of course, they found a way to fill in the gap but that gap is still visible when walking along the building even until this day.

If that story is actually true, I always found it amusing (as a geography major) that an edifice primarily used for engineering classes was built without an important geographic aspect included in their building design calcs.
I'm pretty sure that this is not correct. I think long suspension bridge have to account for curvature, but not buildings that are about 1/10 of a mile long. They would be surveying elevation of each footing as the building was constructed, so there should be no error there. I don't see any way they could construct something with a gap after it was built. Buildings are constructed incrementally, so any small offsets along the way would be compensated for during construction.
 

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I'm pretty sure that this is not correct. I think long suspension bridge have to account for curvature, but not buildings that are about 1/10 of a mile long. They would be surveying elevation of each footing as the building was constructed, so there should be no error there. I don't see any way they could construct something with a gap after it was built. Buildings are constructed incrementally, so any small offsets along the way would be compensated for during construction.
It’s probably not true. But I’ve always remembered the story.
 

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While some beautiful old buildings have been torn down before, nobody is going to miss Hammond.

Hammond wqs basically a dump when I first attended class there and visited my advisor (once) nearly 50 years ago and it’s an incredibly ugly building so I am ok with this…..
I think the thing I hated most about Hammond was the fact that there were a couple of floors that you could not traverse from one end of the building to the other.
There were times when you might be going from one class or lab to another on the same floor, but still have to go to another floor to get there.
Am I remembering correctly?
 

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I think the thing I hated most about Hammond was the fact that there were a couple of floors that you could not traverse from one end of the building to the other.
There were times when you might be going from one class or lab to another on the same floor, but still have to go to another floor to get there.
Am I remembering correctly?
ABsolutely correct I remember the same thing
 
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I think the thing I hated most about Hammond was the fact that there were a couple of floors that you could not traverse from one end of the building to the other.
There were times when you might be going from one class or lab to another on the same floor, but still have to go to another floor to get there.
Am I remembering correctly?

Yes.

Considering that they've been saying that Hammond is coming down since I arrived in 1990, I'm not holding my breath until the dust from it's ashes settle. Do wish they would keep Kunkle as it was a nice place to study.

Had many classes in Hammond. One day I accidently walked into class and started to read the Collegian. As the room filled up I realized that I did not recognize any of the other students. That's when I remembered that I walked up a different stair case and ended up in the wrong room.
 
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I think the thing I hated most about Hammond was the fact that there were a couple of floors that you could not traverse from one end of the building to the other.
There were times when you might be going from one class or lab to another on the same floor, but still have to go to another floor to get there.
Am I remembering correctly?
LMAO. I had Architect roommates and friends that had labs in Hammond. I was supposed to meet them and then we were going to go to either Train Station or Post House and I couldn't figure out how to get to their lab room once I was inside. šŸ¤¦ā€ā™‚ļø 🤣
 
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Yup moms 82-87
Was she in Beam Hall then? The first and 2nd floor were the Arts and Architecture interest house and was Co-Ed. 3rd and 4th floor were all male.
IIRC North Halls had a couple of "interest houses" in their dorms. I think Leete had one as well.
The A&A house though was gone by '85 or at least it wasn't in Beam anymore.
Then sometime in the very late 80's and early 90's they turned the first 2 floors of Beam into some type of administration building.
I think it might be back to being dorms now but they were way, way different rooms than I or probably she remembers.
I had moved about by Briarwood my final year in '85
 

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It’s probably not true. But I’ve always remembered the story.
Professors make shiite up all the time to make themselves sound like experts so the students believe them. :cool: :ROFLMAO: However, I am going to go on a scavenger hunt to see if I can find this "gap" or not. I know there is an walkway underpass that goes thru about the center of the building so I will start near there. I live in these parts so will take a looksie some day to see what I can find. šŸ”šŸ”Ž
 
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Professors make shiite up all the time to make themselves sound like experts so the students believe them. :cool: :ROFLMAO: However, I am going to go on a scavenger hunt to see if I can find this "gap" or not. I know there is an walkway underpass that goes thru about the center of the building so I will start near there. I live in these parts so will take a looksie some day to see what I can find. šŸ”šŸ”Ž
It is likely an expansion joint. Larger buildings have expansion joints every 300-500 feet, to allow for expansion and contraction due to temperature changes. If I recall, the one design flaw of Hammond was the corridor fire doors appropriately meant to contain fire spread, yet the classrooms had doors leading to the corridor, in the front and rear of the room, that were on either side of the fire doors and always left open.
 
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Was she in Beam Hall then? The first and 2nd floor were the Arts and Architecture interest house and was Co-Ed. 3rd and 4th floor were all male.
IIRC North Halls had a couple of "interest houses" in their dorms. I think Leete had one as well.
The A&A house though was gone by '85 or at least it wasn't in Beam anymore.
Then sometime in the very late 80's and early 90's they turned the first 2 floors of Beam into some type of administration building.
I think it might be back to being dorms now but they were way, way different rooms than I or probably she remembers.
I had moved about by Briarwood my final year in '85
Don’t think so, she was in the north art studios working on her art
 
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I believe I heard this from one of my professors in the geography department that the Hammond Building was designed and built without taking into account the Earth's curvature. A building of its length needs to accommodate for the roundness of Earth. Because they built it inward from the two ends, when the two ends of the structure were to be joined in the middle there was a small gap left thanks to calcs which, as I stated, neglected curvature. Of course, they found a way to fill in the gap but that gap is still visible when walking along the building even until this day.

If that story is actually true, I always found it amusing (as a geography major) that an edifice primarily used for engineering classes was built without an important geographic aspect included in their building design calcs.
What I had heard about Hammond (iirc from a friend in Architectural Engineering) was that it was intended to be a taller building, not as long, but they discovered issues concerning the foundation (sinkholes?) And had to reduce the height.