OT: Today's "well, duh" headline: Increased law enforcement reduces crime

[18IsTheMan]

Remember when there was outright panic that Trump was creating a police state by increasing federal law enforcement in DC? Well, now even DC's radically liberal mayor is forced to admit that, as usual, Trump was right. Again. So tired of the winning! And this was after the DC AG said crime in the city was a problem that they couldn't "prosecute or arrest our way out of." Turns out that's EXACTLY the solution.

She was strongly rebuked by her own party for conceding the obvious, but that tells you how effective it's been. She realized it was a total fool's errand to go public and lie that it wasn't working. And this is a party that thrives on lying about obvious truths. It's a dagger to cities like Detroit and Chicago.

Mayor Muriel Bowser says Trump's surge of federal law enforcement has lowered crime in D.C.

The Democratic mayor also said the presence of masked ICE agents and National Guard members “is not working.”

www.nbcnews.com

 

[PrestonyteParrot]

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[PrestonyteParrot]

Remember when there was outright panic that Trump was creating a police state by increasing federal law enforcement in DC? Well, now even DC's radically liberal mayor is forced to admit that, as usual, Trump was right. Again. So tired of the winning! And this was after the DC AG said crime in the city was a problem that they couldn't "prosecute or arrest our way out of." Turns out that's EXACTLY the solution.

She was strongly rebuked by her own party for conceding the obvious, but that tells you how effective it's been. She realized it was a total fool's errand to go public and lie that it wasn't working. And this is a party that thrives on lying about obvious truths. It's a dagger to cities like Detroit and Chicago.

Mayor Muriel Bowser says Trump's surge of federal law enforcement has lowered crime in D.C.

The Democratic mayor also said the presence of masked ICE agents and National Guard members “is not working.”

www.nbcnews.com

Seeing is believing

 

[adcoop]

Who pays for all this increased law enforcement? .....and National Guard are not trained in law enforcement BTW, but we are paying for this media show. Lower Taxes, but more expenses when crime was at its lowest in the century in 2024. I am glad you are happy now. Let's see how this goes by like 2027 when the debt is 40 Trillion and rising.

 

[Skuddy]

Who pays for all this increased law enforcement? .....and National Guard are not trained in law enforcement BTW, but we are paying for this media show. Lower Taxes, but more expenses when crime was at its lowest in the century in 2024. I am glad you are happy now. Let's see how this goes by like 2027 when the debt is 40 Trillion and rising.

 

[Sparklecity]

The smarter stupid people are waking up!

 

[Psycock]

Who pays for all of the illegal aliens Biden and the Democrats let into the country? We all do as taxpayers. Who would rather pay up to prevent crime that increasing the odd that one of us, our families or friends will be a crime victim? I sure as hell would. Now even Newsom says he wants more law enforcement - we know he`s lying but even he can see the success it has had in D.C.

 

[sclawman77]

I saw Newsom is making recent misleading statements that red state Louisiana is 4x less safe than California (even printed out flyers for a PR event) but doesn't mention that most of the crime occurs in New Orleans, which of course is Democrat run and led.

 

[adcoop]

Laugh, but you don't solve any type of so-called crime problem in 30 days. That's the period that Federal Troops are supposed to be in DC. Any criminal with any sense just takes a pause and do what they do when they leave. Final result = Federal Government spends money and we are right back to where we were. So, if this is such a good strategy, how about Trump go into Memphis. A city with as bad of a crime problem as any. However, he won't because that doesn't fit his Blue State narrative. Whatever, it's your money.

 

[Gamecock Jacque]

Who pays for all this increased law enforcement?

Who pays when law enforcement is decreased? Mostly black people.

 

[Skuddy]

Laugh, but you don't solve any type of so-called crime problem in 30 days. That's the period that Federal Troops are supposed to be in DC. Any criminal with any sense just takes a pause and do what they do when they leave. Final result = Federal Government spends money and we are right back to where we were. So, if this is such a good strategy, how about Trump go into Memphis. A city with as bad of a crime problem as any. However, he won't because that doesn't fit his Blue State narrative. Whatever, it's your money.

Your posts usually make a lot of sense and I enjoy reading them......but sometimes your TDS bleeds through a little too much.

 

[Sparklecity]

Laugh, but you don't solve any type of so-called crime problem in 30 days. That's the period that Federal Troops are supposed to be in DC. Any criminal with any sense just takes a pause and do what they do when they leave. Final result = Federal Government spends money and we are right back to where we were. So, if this is such a good strategy, how about Trump go into Memphis. A city with as bad of a crime problem as any. However, he won't because that doesn't fit his Blue State narrative. Whatever, it's your money.

You can't even celebrate the lives of people that have not been killed while the troops have been in D.C. TDS in full display

 

[Lurker123]

You can't even celebrate the lives of people that have not been killed while the troops have been in D.C. TDS in full display

It is impressive how Trump can get democrats to leap to the defense of criminals.

 

[adcoop]

Who pays for all of the illegal aliens Biden and the Democrats let into the country? We all do as taxpayers. Who would rather pay up to prevent crime that increasing the odd that one of us, our families or friends will be a crime victim? I sure as hell would. Now even Newsom says he wants more law enforcement - we know he`s lying but even he can see the success it has had in D.C.

Truth be told, when you couple the cheaper labor that undocumenteds provide to American businesses, the taxes they pay into the system (Yes, many pay income taxes and social security), and the social security that they can't get back for paying in as an illegal, they are not costing as much as you think. With regard to the criminal issue, what do you really think they can do in 30 days. Yes, the streets are mainly quiet now, but unless the federal government is going to stay there permanently, it's just a publicity stunt. Also, most of the highest crime states are actually in southern states (Arkansas, Louisana, Tennessee). Think Trump is going into Little Rock? The answer is no. He is not going to go and try to make Sara Huckabee look bad.

 

[Gamecock Jacque]

It is impressive how Trump can get democrats to leap to the defense of criminals.

It's how they naturally lean. The DNC is an international crime syndicate.

 

[PrestonyteParrot]

Truth be told, when you couple the cheaper labor that undocumenteds provide to American businesses, the taxes they pay into the system (Yes, many pay income taxes and social security), and the social security that they can't get back for paying in as an illegal, they are not costing as much as you think. With regard to the criminal issue, what do you really think they can do in 30 days. Yes, the streets are mainly quiet now, but unless the federal government is going to stay there permanently, it's just a publicity stunt. Also, most of the highest crime states are actually in southern states (Arkansas, Louisana, Tennessee). Think Trump is going into Little Rock? The answer is no. He is not going to go and try to make Sara Huckabee look bad.

Defending illegals and criminals over American CITIZENS is a losing position!

 

[adcoop]

Who pays when law enforcement is decreased? Mostly black people.

Nobody is talking about decreased law enforcement. Don't try to pull heartstrings with emotional responses. You are smarter than that and you know I am smarter than that. It's about spending money for a photo-op show of decreased crime for a couple days. You and I know that the federal government doesn't have the resources to resolve whatever crime problems American cities have. As you Republicans like to say, it's done in the cities and states. You guys know if Biden just had federal troops show up in Charleston one day, you would have had a fit, but as I say, it's your money. Talk to me to in 2027. I see how this is about to go down by listening the Republicans I know right now. By then, Trump will have to show tangible results. He won't be able to photo-op himself out of everything by then.

Defending illegals and criminals over American CITIZENS is a losing position!

Is it the truth? I am not trying to win. Half-truths for political points just aggravate the heck out of me.

 

[Gamecock Jacque]

Nobody is talking about decreased law enforcement.

So you really have no clue that defunding police departments results in decreased law enforcement? I really have no words.

 

[Skuddy]

Truth be told, when you couple the cheaper labor that undocumenteds provide to American businesses, the taxes they pay into the system (Yes, many pay income taxes and social security), and the social security that they can't get back for paying in as an illegal, they are not costing as much as you think. With regard to the criminal issue, what do you really think they can do in 30 days. Yes, the streets are mainly quiet now, but unless the federal government is going to stay there permanently, it's just a publicity stunt. Also, most of the highest crime states are actually in southern states (Arkansas, Louisana, Tennessee). Think Trump is going into Little Rock? The answer is no. He is not going to go and try to make Sara Huckabee look bad.

Roughly 35% of undocumented immigrants have an ITIN and pay into the tax system. The remainder pay no tax at all.

The rest of your post is TDS conjecture.

 

[18IsTheMan]

Who pays for all this increased law enforcement? .....and National Guard are not trained in law enforcement BTW, but we are paying for this media show. Lower Taxes, but more expenses when crime was at its lowest in the century in 2024. I am glad you are happy now. Let's see how this goes by like 2027 when the debt is 40 Trillion and rising.

Two missing children have been recovered. If it was your kid, do you think you would be concerned about how it was paid for?

Nevertheless, Bowser, who is as hard-core entrenched liberal as you can get, was forced to acknowledge what everybody actually knows which is that yes of course, increasing law-enforcement, and actually enforcing the law reduces crime.

Which is why liberals are forced to try diversion by bringing up how it’s paid for. Because they can’t argue against the results.

 

[Lurker123]

So you really have no clue that defunding police departments results in decreased law enforcement? I really have no words.

Arguing about how increased law enforcement won't really bring down crime is akin to that argument about how we needed new border legislation rather than just enforcing the existing laws.

Sometimes you just need to do the obvious.

But such is the corner that TDS has backed some people into.

 

[18IsTheMan]

You can't even celebrate the lives of people that have not been killed while the troops have been in D.C. TDS in full display

Life is not valuable to liberals. That’s why they can celebrate illiterate illegal truck drivers who murder families by droves on the highways.

 

[Lurker123]

Roughly 35% of undocumented immigrants have an ITIN and pay into the tax system. The remainder pay no tax at all.

The rest of your post is TDS conjecture.

Illegal immigration costs over 150 billion a year to our govenrment(s). That's just the dollar amount. I'd wager that was a conservative estimate too.

 

[Sparklecity]

Truth be told, when you couple the cheaper labor that undocumenteds provide to American businesses, the taxes they pay into the system (Yes, many pay income taxes and social security), and the social security that they can't get back for paying in as an illegal, they are not costing as much as you think. With regard to the criminal issue, what do you really think they can do in 30 days. Yes, the streets are mainly quiet now, but unless the federal government is going to stay there permanently, it's just a publicity stunt. Also, most of the highest crime states are actually in southern states (Arkansas, Louisana, Tennessee). Think Trump is going into Little Rock? The answer is no. He is not going to go and try to make Sara Huckabee look bad.

They are sending ALL their money back to their families in different countries

 

[Skuddy]

Illegal immigration costs over 150 billion a year to our govenrment(s). That's just the dollar amount. I'd wager that was a conservative estimate too.

Which is exactly my argument. @adcoop was saying that it's not costing us as much as we think since these people are paying into the system. His argument would be correct if the numbers were reversed.

 

[Lurker123]

Which is exactly my argument. @adcoop was saying that it's not costing us as much as we think since these people are paying into the system. His argument would be correct if the numbers were reversed.

Yeah. The estimate i read took that into account, and was still over 150 billion annually.

 

[TheRoo]

Nobody is talking about decreased law enforcement. Don't try to pull heartstrings with emotional responses. You are smarter than that and you know I am smarter than that. It's about spending money for a photo-op show of decreased crime for a couple days. You and I know that the federal government doesn't have the resources to resolve whatever crime problems American cities have. As you Republicans like to say, it's done in the cities and states. You guys know if Biden just had federal troops show up in Charleston one day, you would have had a fit, but as I say, it's your money. Talk to me to in 2027. I see how this is about to go down by listening the Republicans I know right now. By then, Trump will have to show tangible results. He won't be able to photo-op himself out of everything by then.

Is it the truth? I am not trying to win. Half-truths for political points just aggravate the heck out of me.

Since when is saving lives a photo op? They've also arrested close to 1000 in the process and many of those individuals are likely part of that 1% who are terrorizing the other 99% that we discussed previously.

We're spending $170 billion a year on illegal aliens now that only kick back 17% of that in tax revenue. They also crush our infrastructure and hospitals. All in the name of votes.

We've spent over $200 billion on the Ukraine War than Obama and Biden lit and then purposely blocked a peace treaty twice (both Zelensky and Putin have acknowledged this)

With even a quarter of that money, we could put every homeless person in American in a home and clean up very cities you want to clean up.

We have to break the doom cycle and lies that the media and greedy politicians spin. It's not hopeless at all.

 

[Gamecock Jacque]

A week in DC without a murder. Nobody can remember the last time that happened.

 

[Sparklecity]

 

[adcoop]

So you really have no clue that defunding police departments results in decreased law enforcement? I really have no words.

That's your issue. When did I say anything about defunding the police? Was D.C. talking about it? No. Was a LA talking about it? No. If you really looked at this thing critically, Trump always comes up with this Kabuki theater when he has a political issue that's not going in his favor. Increased pressure about the Epstein files/Let's go into L.A. Media discussion about his declining health and why his ankles are the size of thighs/Let's go into DC. I may not be a supporter of Trump, but this is an excellent political trait of his. You don't like this. Let me show you this shining thing over here. He has mastered the art of distraction.

Since when is saving lives a photo op? They've also arrested close to 1000 in the process and many of those individuals are likely part of that 1% who are terrorizing the other 99% that we discussed previously.

We're spending $170 billion a year on illegal aliens now that only kick back 17% of that in tax revenue. They also crush our infrastructure and hospitals. All in the name of votes.

We've spent over $200 billion on the Ukraine War than Obama and Biden lit and then purposely blocked a peace treaty twice (both Zelensky and Putin have acknowledged this)

With even a quarter of that money, we could put every homeless person in American in a home and clean up very cities you want to clean up.

We have to break the doom cycle and lies that the media and greedy politicians spin. It's not hopeless at all.

So, people die in October instead of September. Since when is that doing anything. You can't break a cycle in 30 days, and if you are really being honest, you can't break cycles unless you give people something else to do. Unless industry is brought into these cities with jobs that promote families being able to sustain themselves, you won't have any change in crime no matter how many boots you have on the ground. Finally, what good those 1000 arrests you laud will do unless Trump is going to take over the judiciary too. I bet 90% of those arrested have 3-4 priors and have been churned through the criminal justice system countless times. Unless they created some serious felony, they will be churned through the system and back on the streets to do the same things again. I have done this for 33 years now. This is a photo-op. The criminal justice system and basketball are the 2 things I know what the heck I am talking about.

 

[Lurker123]

Once again, I am amazed how TDS can drive dems into arguing against lowering crime.

I thought it was the bottom when they shunned the little kid with cancer because Trump pointed him out. But each day they prove they can't see past the name Trump, and their hatred for him.

 

[Sparklecity]

That's your issue. When did I say anything about defunding the police? Was D.C. talking about it? No. Was a LA talking about it? No. If you really looked at this thing critically, Trump always comes up with this Kabuki theater when he has a political issue that's not going in his favor. Increased pressure about the Epstein files/Let's go into L.A. Media discussion about his declining health and why his ankles are the size of thighs/Let's go into DC. I may not be a supporter of Trump, but this is an excellent political trait of his. You don't like this. Let me show you this shining thing over here. He has mastered the art of distraction.

So, people die in October instead of September. Since when is that doing anything. You can't break a cycle in 30 days, and if you are really being honest, you can't break cycles unless you give people something else to do. Unless industry is brought into these cities with jobs that promote families being able to sustain themselves, you won't have any change in crime no matter how many boots you have on the ground.

These cities all seem to be ran by democrats. Ohhhh, maybe that's the problem!

 

[18IsTheMan]

Once again, I am amazed how TDS can drive dems into arguing against lowering crime.

I thought it was the bottom when they shunned the little kid with cancer because Trump pointed him out. But each day they prove they can't see past the name Trump, and their hatred for him.

Even worse, a Democrat representative from Maryland was on CNN and arguing against what Trump was doing in DC said that crime has always been a part of our history. Almost like apple pie and baseball. We should just embrace crime as part of our American identity.

 

[Lurker123]

Even worse, a Democrat representative from Maryland was on CNN and arguing against what Trump was doing in DC said that crime has always been a part of our history. Almost like apple pie and baseball. We should just embrace crime as part of our American identity.

Hey, if they dont kill people one month, it'll just be the next. We should give up and embrace it.

 

[Gamecock Jacque]

That's your issue. When did I say anything about defunding the police? Was D.C. talking about it? No. Was a LA talking about it?

You said nobody was talking about defunding the police.
Washington DC
Budget cuts: In June 2020, the D.C. Council's Committee on the Judiciary and Public Safety cut $9.5 million from Mayor Muriel Bowser's proposed budget for the Metropolitan Police Department (MPD). The final budget ultimately shifted millions of dollars away from the MPD's control by transferring the school security program's budget to D.C. Public Schools.
Redirected funds: The cuts were not a simple reduction but part of a reallocation effort. Some of the money was redirected to violence interruption programs, restorative justice, and victim services.
Police reform legislation: The council also unanimously passed emergency police reform measures. These included restricting police use of tear gas and other riot gear during protests and establishing regulations for the hiring of officers with misconduct records.

Los Angeles
2020 Budget Cuts: Following George Floyd's murder, the Los Angeles City Council voted in July 2020 to cut $150 million from the Los Angeles Police Department's (LAPD) budget. Two-thirds of the cut funds were designated for reallocation toward services and programs in Black, Latino, and disenfranchised communities.
2021 Reallocation: In May 2021, the City Council finalized a plan to reallocate some of the moved funds—about $89 million—to programs like anti-gang initiatives, homeless services, and universal income pilots.

You seem intellectually challenged, which is funny since you just told all of us how smart you think you are. Enjoy your DEI career. I think checking boxes is the only way that you have one. Also, I just don't want to talk to you anymore.

 

[Lurker123]

You said nobody was talking about defunding the police.
Washington DC
Budget cuts: In June 2020, the D.C. Council's Committee on the Judiciary and Public Safety cut $9.5 million from Mayor Muriel Bowser's proposed budget for the Metropolitan Police Department (MPD). The final budget ultimately shifted millions of dollars away from the MPD's control by transferring the school security program's budget to D.C. Public Schools.
Redirected funds: The cuts were not a simple reduction but part of a reallocation effort. Some of the money was redirected to violence interruption programs, restorative justice, and victim services.
Police reform legislation: The council also unanimously passed emergency police reform measures. These included restricting police use of tear gas and other riot gear during protests and establishing regulations for the hiring of officers with misconduct records.

Los Angeles
2020 Budget Cuts: Following George Floyd's murder, the Los Angeles City Council voted in July 2020 to cut $150 million from the Los Angeles Police Department's (LAPD) budget. Two-thirds of the cut funds were designated for reallocation toward services and programs in Black, Latino, and disenfranchised communities.
2021 Reallocation: In May 2021, the City Council finalized a plan to reallocate some of the moved funds—about $89 million—to programs like anti-gang initiatives, homeless services, and universal income pilots.

You seem intellectually challenged, which is funny since you just told all of us how smart you think you are. Enjoy your DEI career. I think checking boxes is the only way that you have one. Also, I just don't want to talk to you anymore.

Ouch.

Well, being a political thread, this will get deleted, and he can pretend he was never abused like that in the thread. And that he never dismissed saving peoples lives as not mattering.

 

[I4CtheFuture]

It's how they naturally lean. The DNC is an international crime syndicate.

Not quite true -

Once you understand that the Democrats have always been in bed with socialist / communist organizations - and that their sole goal is the destruction of America to turn it into a communist country - everything they do makes perfect sense.

IE: The communists couldn't beat us from the outside in. They had to do it from the inside out. They've nearly succeeded. Awful ideology.

 

[Forkcock]

Who pays for all this increased law enforcement? .....and National Guard are not trained in law enforcement BTW, but we are paying for this media show. Lower Taxes, but more expenses when crime was at its lowest in the century in 2024. I am glad you are happy now. Let's see how this goes by like 2027 when the debt is 40 Trillion and rising.

Good Lord. You'd ask the same thing if Trump cured cancer.

 

[18IsTheMan]

Meanwhile, Chicago's mayor rejects Trump's offer for law enforcement help even as there were 54 shootings over the weekend with 7 deaths. One weekend. 54 shootings. 7 deaths. Insane.

The #1 mandate of a government is to protect its citizens.

 

[Forkcock]

Heard a good point last night. The politicians in Chicago might be getting paid off by the cartels. That’s one of the few things I've heard that makes sense.