Passing Offense

NJCat83588

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Just to show "stats are for losers": NU has the worst passing offense in the Big 10, at just 162 ypg. Who is second worst?

OSU. With 2 QBs who going into the season who were potential Heisman Trophy candidates. And a third former Heisman candidate who now plays WR.

And FWIW, NU is third in the league in rushing offense. Who is first?

OSU.

NU and OSU are a combined 21-3 on the season despite not being able to throw the ball.
 

Cookie1966

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Just to show "stats are for losers": NU has the worst passing offense in the Big 10, at just 162 ypg. Who is second worst?

OSU. With 2 QBs who going into the season who were potential Heisman Trophy candidates. And a third former Heisman candidate who now plays WR.

And FWIW, NU is third in the league in rushing offense. Who is first?

OSU.

NU and OSU are a combined 21-3 on the season despite not being able to throw the ball.


OSU QBs are 184 for 295 - 62.9 completion % - 7.63 yards per pass - 18 td 8 picks - QB rating of 141.8

NW QBs are 160 for 318 - 50.2 completion % - 5.24 yards pre pass - 8 td 9 picks - QB rating 96.8

Bad example their passing offense is greatly more efficient than cats

I honestly thought thorson had great 1st half sat largely because he was allowed to throw more than 10 yards down field 2nd half not so good fitz put the handcuffs on in 2nd half
 

ajr938

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I guess I do not understand why we should dismiss Thorson's poor year because our record was 10-2. I think Thorson seems like a great kid and I am sure is a great teammate, but facts are facts he has struggled. Our offense is completely one dimensional. Our defense is beyond great and our running game is excellent, but I do not think it is unreasonable for fans to want better play out of our QB. Right now Thorson is merely a conduit to get the ball from the center to either Jackson, Long or Vault. We may as well run the wildcat offense.I am sure it is a play calling decision to protect Thorson, but he does not even run the ball himself anymore. All of this makes what Jackson and the other RBs have accomplished as that more impressive. Thorson has completed a full season as the starting QB and I have not seen the progress that I would have liked. The excuse that he has only had 4 INTs is also weak because he has been extremely lucky that the opposing defenses have dropped a several easy picks that could have cost us games. I think the biggest indictment of his play is how little that McCall and Fitz ask him to do because deep down in places they don't talk about at parties they know that as of now he cannot get it done. If we had a Persa, Schnur, Kustok, Baz, or Bacher I would like our chances against anybody in the country, but alas we do not.. Hopefully Thorson can make a big jump between this year and next, we have hitched our wagon to him for the foreseeable future. Go Cats.
 

mikewebb68

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The excuse that he has only had 4 INTs is also weak because he has been extremely lucky that the opposing defenses have dropped a several easy picks that could have cost us games. .

The defenses dropped easy picks? You do realize the speed at which these balls were thrown by Thorson, correct? Many of these "easy picks" of which you speak were far from that.

That is one of CT issues, imo; he puts too much zip on his throws, and makes it almost as hard to for our guys to catch it as the defense. But he is doing this for a reason; lack of WR separation means that he often need to throw into extremely tight windows. If you've watched the tapes this season and have focused on the WRs instead of following the ball, you will notice there have been relatively few instances (outside of blow coverage) where our WRs have clearly beaten the coverage. Now, CT has missed some open guys no doubt, but they have nearly exclusively been our rbs and superbacks. If 2-4 guys on the field consistently can't get open, odds are a redshirt freshman QB is not going to look good.
 
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The defenses dropped easy picks? You do realize the speed at which these balls were thrown by Thorson, correct? Many of these "easy picks" of which you speak were far from that.

That is one of CT issues, imo; he puts too much zip on his throws, and makes it almost as hard to for our guys to catch it as the defense. But he is doing this for a reason; lack of WR separation means that he often need to throw into extremely tight windows. If you've watched the tapes this season and have focused on the WRs instead of following the ball, you will notice there have been relatively few instances (outside of blow coverage) where our WRs have clearly beaten the coverage. Now, CT has missed some open guys no doubt, but they have nearly exclusively been our rbs and superbacks. If 2-4 guys on the field consistently can't get open, odds are a redshirt freshman QB is not going to look good.
If he had Sammie Watkins, or Mike Evans, he would be very similar to Johnny Football or Winston as a redshirt freshman. Not joking. He simply doesn't have a fertile field for success as a redshirt freshman at NU. Realizing this, McCall and Fitz are handling things wisely. No doubt Fitz knows he can't ask Thorson to do more, otherwise, he would. For now, he is a glorified conduit to hand the ball off from the center to Jackson. Over the next month, he will progress more, and will no doubt have to be asked to be more than a human conduit snce we won't be able to be one dimensional against LSU, Ole Miss, or if we are lucky, Georgia. The development of Thorson is progressing, even though fans don't see it. Experience is worth TONS but often the results aren't manifested for some time later.
 
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hdhntr1

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OSU QBs are 184 for 295 - 62.9 completion % - 7.63 yards per pass - 18 td 8 picks - QB rating of 141.8

NW QBs are 160 for 318 - 50.2 completion % - 5.24 yards pre pass - 8 td 9 picks - QB rating 96.8

Bad example their passing offense is greatly more efficient than cats

I honestly thought thorson had great 1st half sat largely because he was allowed to throw more than 10 yards down field 2nd half not so good fitz put the handcuffs on in 2nd half
Take a look at their receivers. They turn throws that are so so into catches. Some of those catches have been pretty unbelievable. Not sure if the QBs are that good.
 

Gladeskat

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I guess I do not understand why we should dismiss Thorson's poor year because our record was 10-2. I think Thorson seems like a great kid and I am sure is a great teammate, but facts are facts he has struggled. Our offense is completely one dimensional. Our defense is beyond great and our running game is excellent, but I do not think it is unreasonable for fans to want better play out of our QB. Right now Thorson is merely a conduit to get the ball from the center to either Jackson, Long or Vault. We may as well run the wildcat offense.I am sure it is a play calling decision to protect Thorson, but he does not even run the ball himself anymore. All of this makes what Jackson and the other RBs have accomplished as that more impressive. Thorson has completed a full season as the starting QB and I have not seen the progress that I would have liked. The excuse that he has only had 4 INTs is also weak because he has been extremely lucky that the opposing defenses have dropped a several easy picks that could have cost us games. I think the biggest indictment of his play is how little that McCall and Fitz ask him to do because deep down in places they don't talk about at parties they know that as of now he cannot get it done. If we had a Persa, Schnur, Kustok, Baz, or Bacher I would like our chances against anybody in the country, but alas we do not.. Hopefully Thorson can make a big jump between this year and next, we have hitched our wagon to him for the foreseeable future. Go Cats.

Let's see now...Thorson threw for 1465 yards, 7 TD's and 7 INT's. He also rushed for 374 yards and 5 TD's. He's accounted for 1839 yards of offense up until now. Thorson is NOT "merely a conduit" to our RB's. As a RSFreshman on a team with an excellent defense and RB's, he's being asked to limit his passing to avoid turnovers. That's just common sense with a young QB. The first thing a QB has to learn is NOT to hurt the team with turnovers. He's done that pretty well this year. Before one rips his play, remember: 1) he's being constrained by the coaches to minimize mistakes, 2) he does not have an abundance of talent to throw to, 3) we can win running the ball and playing great defense (which are major factors for a football team's success).

He doesn't run the ball as much now because teams have found out he can kill you running the ball (Stanford, Nebraska) and they've game planned to stop his running.

I've seen progress in Thorson over the season. He is much more settled in at QB than he was and has done a good job of not forcing throws. It's very clear he is being asked to do a lot less than what he'd like to do right now. He even stated so after the Illinois game. He needs to work on his accuracy, but much of his lack of passing stats is attributable to the coaches' game plans and other personnel issues on offense. I think you'll like his play more next year when he's much further along in reading defenses, finding open receivers, and the coaching staff eases up on the reins.

Guys like Persa, Schnur, Kustok, and Bacher hardly played as redshirt freshmen, and were horrible when they did, let alone won games against ranked teams and Big Ten teams. Thorson is doing fine so far.
 
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hdhntr1

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Let's see now...Thorson threw for 1465 yards, 7 TD's and 7 INT's. He also rushed for 374 yards and 5 TD's. He's accounted for 1839 yards of offense up until now. Thorson is NOT "merely a conduit" to our RB's. As a RSFreshman on a team with an excellent defense and RB's, he's being asked to limit his passing to avoid turnovers. That's just common sense with a young QB. The first thing a QB has to learn is NOT to hurt the team with turnovers. He's done that pretty well this year. Before one rips his play, remember: 1) he's being constrained by the coaches to minimize mistakes, 2) he does not have an abundance of talent to throw to, 3) we can win running the ball and playing great defense (which are major factors for a football team's success).

He doesn't run the ball as much now because teams have found out he can kill you running the ball (Stanford, Nebraska) and they've game planned to stop his running.

I've seen progress in Thorson over the season. He is much more settled in at QB than he was and has done a good job of not forcing throws. It's very clear he is being asked to do a lot less than what he'd like to do right now. He even stated so after the Illinois game. He needs to work on his accuracy, but much of his lack of passing stats is attributable to the coaches' game plans and other personnel issues on offense. I think you'll like his play more next year when he's much further along in reading defenses, finding open receivers, and the coaching staff eases up on the reins.

Guys like Persa, Schnur, Kustok, and Bacher hardly played as redshirt freshmen, and were horrible when they did, let alone won games against ranked teams and Big Ten teams. Thorson is doing fine so far.
As I have stated, those are almost the same stats as Steve Schnur in 95. He "managed"the offense well enough for 10 wins and a trip tho the RB. In 96, he was allowed to open things up to the point that he passed for over 2600 yds. Of course he had a very good OL and WR corps.
 

xxxbobxxx

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The defenses dropped easy picks? You do realize the speed at which these balls were thrown by Thorson, correct? Many of these "easy picks" of which you speak were far from that.

That is one of CT issues, imo; he puts too much zip on his throws, and makes it almost as hard to for our guys to catch it as the defense. But he is doing this for a reason; lack of WR separation means that he often need to throw into extremely tight windows. If you've watched the tapes this season and have focused on the WRs instead of following the ball, you will notice there have been relatively few instances (outside of blow coverage) where our WRs have clearly beaten the coverage. Now, CT has missed some open guys no doubt, but they have nearly exclusively been our rbs and superbacks. If 2-4 guys on the field consistently can't get open, odds are a redshirt freshman QB is not going to look good.

He throws a lot of balls behind receivers on crossing patterns and slants. I would not describe accuracy as his best feature at this point.
 

Hungry Jack

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My understanding that the best singular measure of passing game performance is YPA, assumedly using net yards (subtract sack yardage). We do quite poorly on this measure.
 

GlideCat

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Just to show "stats are for losers": NU has the worst passing offense in the Big 10, at just 162 ypg. Who is second worst?

OSU. With 2 QBs who going into the season who were potential Heisman Trophy candidates. And a third former Heisman candidate who now plays WR.

And FWIW, NU is third in the league in rushing offense. Who is first?

OSU.

NU and OSU are a combined 21-3 on the season despite not being able to throw the ball.
For conversation, throw in Alabama - #70 in the nation in passing offense. They handed the ball off to Derrick Henry 46 times in their win over Auburn.