Penn State ranked (for Academics) number 66 out of the 132 schools that have D1 (FBS) Football
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Crazy wide discrepancy between the two rankings . Which PSU person p o’ed Forbes ?
Forbes’ criteria for their ranking system:
How We Rank America's Best Colleges
- Alumni Salary (20%) We used earnings data from Payscale and College Scorecard to determine which colleges produced the highest-paid graduates. ...
- Debt (15%) ...
- Graduation Rate (15%) ...
- Forbes American Leaders List (15%) ...
- Return On Investment (15%) ...
- Retention Rate (10%) ...
- Academic Success (10%)
Seems like PSU tends to suffer on ROI comparisons . I would guess debt is higher . . Not sure on the other metrics .
I don’t think it’s a coincidence that psu has seemed to languish in mediocrity since Paterno’s passing.
Which she will earn if PSU gets into the top 65. Improvement is the goal. Nobody will be complaining when PSU is ranked 64 of 132. OTOH, it's kind of cool to be one of the two schools whose sum constitutes the dividend in the median calculation.
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You obviously didn’t go to PSU. Smarty pants.
I love PSU. Unfortunately, it's been a $h!+ show ever since the Soapy debacle. There's no doubt that PSU is still sporting a hangover. It sux to witness it.
We are in the sweet part of the latte curve .
Forbes' methodology is tilted towards cost and return on investment. Which do seem like some reasonable criteria, but the fact that a lot of smaller privates (not just Ivy League schools but less well known ones) rank highly on the list makes me wonder how much it is skewed by having some schools getting mostly students from wealthier families (and from private high school pipelines) where they are more likely to have the family cover the college costs (reducing loan debt) and more likely to get higher paying jobs out of school due to connections (increasing the post-gradation median salary).
I mean places like Franklin & Marshall and Bucknell (to use some PA examples) have tuition over $60,000 way higher than even PSU's bloated costs for out of state. But they are ranked well above PSU in the Forbes metric.
Many years ago, when I was proud of PSU football, it was largely because you could count on two things- top ten finishes and top ten football graduation rates.
As you chew on PSU’s academic rankings, chew on this: I graduated from PSU.
This ranking has nothing to do with the football team but is regarding the university at large.
which is no comfort at all
- Return On Investment (15%) ...
Sure. But if we are going to talk about something, let’s at least make sure we are correctly identifying what is the topic.
I was pretty sure that PSU going into the dumper was the topic. I'm still pretty sure.
With 400 k paid , did they at least name one of the bus stops on Curtin Road , The Rick’s bus stop ?
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US News & World Report ranking criteria (super ridiculous/contrived):
Indicator
(1st Number) - 2024 National Universities Weight for Schools With Usable SAT/ACT
(2nd Number) - 2024 National Universities Weight for Schools Without Usable SAT/ACT
(3rd Number) - 2022-2023 Weight
Graduation rates
16%
21%
17.6%
First-year retention rates
5%
5%
4.4%
Graduation rate performance
10%
10%
8%
Pell graduation rates
3%
3%
2.5%
Pell graduation performance
3%
3%
2.5%
First generation graduation rates
2.5%
2.5%
0%
First generation graduation rate performance
2.5%
2.5%
0%
Borrower debt
5%
5%
3%
College grads earning more than a high school grad
5%
5%
0%
Peer assessment
20%
20%
20%
Faculty salaries
6%
6%
7%
Student-faculty ratio
3%
3%
1%
Full-time faculty
2%
2%
1%
Financial resources per student
8%
8%
10%
Standardized tests
5%
0%
5%
Citations per publication
1.25%
1.25%
0%
Field weighted citation impact
1.25%
1.25%
0%
Publications cited in top 5% of journals
1%
1%
0%
Publications cited in top 25% of journals
0.5%
0.5%
0%
Class size
0%
0%
8%
Terminal degree faculty
0%
0%
3%
Alumni giving average
0%
0%
3%
Graduate debt proportion borrowing
0%
0%
2%
High school class standing
0%
0%
2%
TOTAL
100%
100%
100%
Indicator
(1st Number) - 2024 National Universities Weight for Schools With Usable SAT/ACT
(2nd Number) - 2024 National Universities Weight for Schools Without Usable SAT/ACT
(3rd Number) - 2022-2023 Weight
Graduation rates
16%
21%
17.6%
First-year retention rates
5%
5%
4.4%
Graduation rate performance
10%
10%
8%
Pell graduation rates
3%
3%
2.5%
Pell graduation performance
3%
3%
2.5%
First generation graduation rates
2.5%
2.5%
0%
First generation graduation rate performance
2.5%
2.5%
0%
Borrower debt
5%
5%
3%
College grads earning more than a high school grad
5%
5%
0%
Peer assessment
20%
20%
20%
Faculty salaries
6%
6%
7%
Student-faculty ratio
3%
3%
1%
Full-time faculty
2%
2%
1%
Financial resources per student
8%
8%
10%
Standardized tests
5%
0%
5%
Citations per publication
1.25%
1.25%
0%
Field weighted citation impact
1.25%
1.25%
0%
Publications cited in top 5% of journals
1%
1%
0%
Publications cited in top 25% of journals
0.5%
0.5%
0%
Class size
0%
0%
8%
Terminal degree faculty
0%
0%
3%
Alumni giving average
0%
0%
3%
Graduate debt proportion borrowing
0%
0%
2%
High school class standing
0%
0%
2%
TOTAL
100%
100%
100%
It preceded the “soapy debacle”. You weren’t paying attention
How many semesters did it take for you to finally graduate?
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What, no DEIB score included?
4 years and 3 summers. Last summer I lived with future moms in cedar Brook.
I believe it’s, “meaty part of the latte curve.” But you’re not wrong.
Nonsense I got a sweet briscut in at 8amMid-February its either this or Fondue recipes.
What bothers me most is that PSU seems to consistently place low in just about every one of these sort of rankings which come down the pike. Maybe I’m overlooking something but this ranking seems to be completely on brand.