Penn state
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Agree Penn State has it wrapped up. No idea how they keep getting these top recruits with 9.5 scholarships but Cael has done it every year since he has been at Penn State and they are a LOT better than we are as a team.
Not so fast.
1. Eddie had a brutal draw.
2. GWH is not Brock
3. Smith was clearly not 100%
4. Rogers is actually the backup 65 pounder Wrestling at 74 as the backup 74 pounder
5. Boyd had a tough draw...still confused on that one and Dean was better today
6. Marsden is pulling to much weight to score?
If you throw Eddie, Brock, Smith and Crutchmer back in here (I do like Rogers better) we are likely neck and neck today. I am not sure I blame coaching due to injuries...but we clearly weren't prepared today. I am not calling for any heads but Pat Smith needs to come home with chauffeur.
1. Eddie had a brutal draw.
2. GWH is not Brock
3. Smith was clearly not 100%
4. Rogers is actually the backup 65 pounder Wrestling at 74 as the backup 74 pounder
5. Boyd had a tough draw...still confused on that one and Dean was better today
6. Marsden is pulling to much weight to score?
If you throw Eddie, Brock, Smith and Crutchmer back in here (I do like Rogers better) we are likely neck and neck today. I am not sure I blame coaching due to injuries...but we clearly weren't prepared today. I am not calling for any heads but Pat Smith needs to come home with chauffeur.
I know things don't look good, but we still have the most potential points. They have a nice combination of wrestling great and having the brackets go well for them. We just need our guys to step up tonight, we have a chance to make a big push tonight.
I agree and I really don't know what you can do but shrug your shoulders. I feel like the coaches are doing a good job. We could have 8 All-Americans, 2 national champions with everyone of those guys wrestling to seed or better. That would be a hell of a tournament.
Now I'm just rooting for our guys, Penn State to not equal our 5 national champions and for Cael to get caught in some kind of sexting scandal (kidding ... sort of).
PSU has it won and it is incredible the amount of NC caliber talent they are amassing but if you step back and look at the potential lineups next year we can stop the run.
I think tonight is important. We aren't catching PSU but OSU fans would feel a lot better about this tournament if we can get second have a couple finalists and 6 or 7 All-Americans.
Beckman has been known to shine at nationals he's done it twice now to make the podium guy knows how to win when it matters most don't count him out
At 157 while Walsh is not favored he (and his brother) is never out of a match he goes for broke I watched him go from losing by 14 points at the midlands to getting a pin. It looks bad but not as much as it seems
We are 22 1/2 points behind, what scenario wins it, we don't lose another match?
If we can win all of our blood round matches we will make a big jump. We will get advancement plus placement points. We still have the highest potential points, of course that is 3 firsts and 5 thirds.
Where the heck does psu get the scholarship money? Out of state tuition can't be cheap. It's pretty much got to be true that they cheat, right?
The majority are PA kids or ny/nj
Nikal from dfw but other than that they are mainly from that area
Coaching philosophy is killing us
http://www.gopsusports.com/sports/m-wrestl/mtt/psu-m-wrestl-mtt.html
Nikal from dfw but other than that they are mainly from that area
Coaching philosophy is killing us
http://www.gopsusports.com/sports/m-wrestl/mtt/psu-m-wrestl-mtt.html
McIntosh is Cali, coming in are hall of Minnesota, and Manville of Virginia. Also Cortez from Illinois. Most are from PA, they have a lot to choose from.
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Cael is a beast of a coach , the three years he coached at Iowa state his teams won the big 12 every year and since his starting in his 2nd year at Penn state he's won six ncaas in a row (counting this year)
go poach an assistant off their team or something
go poach an assistant off their team or something
PSU has an advantage in location, finances, following, popularity and it could be argued coaching ability.
They are not going away anytime soon. We really ramped up our recruting the last few years which is going to give us a chance the next few years but we will need to keep jumping levels as it's almost certain PSU will.
They are not going away anytime soon. We really ramped up our recruting the last few years which is going to give us a chance the next few years but we will need to keep jumping levels as it's almost certain PSU will.
Don't disagree but the studs winning/got them to this point are by and large home grown pa guys
I forgot Ohio state slipped one in there
Oops I thought they did
One could argue that that's why you redshirt freshmen.
Maybe I'm misreading what you are saying, but trying to understand that statement. I certainly believe in RS'ing freshmen as much as possible, but don't know if one of my primary reasons is risk of injury. Injury can occur at any time in your career. I like RS'ing for strength/conditioning, and for young guys to develop mat offense (top and bottom). Too many phenoms come out of high schools having almost never seen the second period of a match, and lack the necessary mat skills to AA their true freshman year because of that.
Simple. PSU went after higher end wrestlers but has less depth on their team. PSU probably had lower rated combined classes than OSU, OkState and Iowa over the last 5 years. A number of PSU's backups are walk ons. They even had a walk on AA a couple years ago. I think it was English. THey also had Volrath who had a great record when one of the Alton's went down. I think he might have been undefeated in the B10 that year and helped them win the Scuffle. PSU has no backup hat 285 or 197. When NEvils went down PSU had to pull a kid out of gym class to wrestle 285.
PSU with a healthy Nevils will be more dangerous too. NEvils was rated about the same as Nolf and Nickal coming out of HS.
He is at Sem, but he if from Virginia, he was in Minnesota training with the storm last year, Blair the year before that.
PSU has had highly rated classes including first this year and 2 years ago. Not sure I would say you pulled Johnson out of gym class, he chose FB over wrestling, so you pulled a 2 time PA state champ off of the FB team. He was just undersized and not in wrestling shape.
PSU also had a couple years outside the top 20. Like I said, the total of the last 5 years. Do you only count two recruiting classes at a time? If you take a composite of the last 5 years then PSU is behind the schools I listed.
If you 1,21,1 the actual impact of the 3 classes is much higher than the average. Those 3 classes have 7 in top 10 p4p. You go back to the year they were ranked 17, they still had Retherford. Cael has done a great job developing, but trying to say they have not dominated recruiting is delusional. On this years team ranked in top 10 p4p are nico, gulibon, zain, nolf, nickal, mcintosh and Nevills. In the most recent 2 classes are 4 others in the top 10. No one is near that.
OKieState: #2, 2, 11, 5, 6
OSU, #6, 5, 10, 12, 1
IOwa, #10, 9, 6, 1, 20.
PSU, #21, 1, 7, 17, 4.
The list is for 2015, 2014, 2013, 2012 and 2011.
I find wrestling recruiting rankings to be among the most worthless things in existence. Take your example here. OSU averaged a ranking of 5.2 (count all 5 and divide by 5) over the last 5 years. tOSU is at 6.8. Iowa 9.2, and PSU is at 10. Anybody think PSU was actually 4th best at recruiting? Rankings are so subjective, and can't take into account how each individual changes once in a college room. I'm just skeptical of these rankings.