Pete Rose Denied Reinstatement by New Commish

[GrandePdre]

Most important, whatever else a “reconfigured life” may include, in this case, it must begin with a complete rejection of the practices and habits that comprised his violations of Rule 21. During our meeting, Mr. Rose told me that he had continues to bet on horse racing and on professional sports, including Baseball. Those bets may have been permitted by law in the jurisdictions in which they were placed, but this fact does not mean that the bets would be permissible if made by a player or manager subject to Rule 21.

In short, Mr. Rose has not presented credible evidence of a reconfigured life either by an honest acceptance by him or his wrongdoing, so clearly established by the Dowd Report, or by a rigorous, self-aware and sustained program of avoidance by him of all the circumstances that led to his permanent ineligibility in 1989. Absent such credible evidence, allowing him to work in the game presents an unacceptable risk of a future violation by him of Rule 21, and thus to the integrity of our sport. I, therefore, must reject Mr. Rose’s application for reinstatement.

FULL ARTICLE

 

[jwheat]

[poop]:thumbsdown:

 

[Get Buckets]

Seems pretty apparent it's worth more to him to be out than in.

 

[argubs2]

Back to the autograph and special appearance circuit, it appears. Instances of his autograph have ballooned to an astounding $1.50 per baseball. If you're lucky enough to get a "Hit King" mention on the autograph.....it could command an entire $5.

I'm sure Motel 6 rooms nightly and Burger King dinners takes its toll.

Mark McGuire can coach a hitter. Barry Bonds can coach a hitter. Why can't Pete coach a hitter?

Need that hit coaching money.

 

[Catfan in Tn.]

But Ty Cobb was a homicidal racist and he's in the hall. WTF?

Evidently that didn't matter as long as he didn't manage and bet on baseball.

 

[GrandePdre]

Don't forget, they found out earlier this year that her bet on games while as a player, too.

 

[Chuckinden]

I think it's pretty stupid and childish to "ban" anyone from any sport that no longer plays or wishes to manage. It's like a super secret boys' club that doesn't even allow girls to enter the door because they have cooties.

The fact that he still bets on baseball probably was a big factor in that part of the decision.

 

[Chuckinden]

Evidently that didn't matter as long as he didn't manage and bet on baseball.

Ty Cobb is dead. It doesn't matter what he did back in the day. He is not up for getting back into MLB.

 

[JHB4UK]

Best possible career outcome for Pete

if Fox Sports folks are smart they will now do a daily segment with his picks. "Hit King Hot Daily Diamond Dollars" or some such clever catch phrase.

 

[ZakkW]

The HoF could vote him in this year if they so choose. His MLB banishment doesn't preclude that, but the Hall chooses to respect and go along with MLB's rulings in these cases(Pete, Joe Jackson).

 

[Bill@ModernThirst]

The HoF could vote him in this year if they so choose. His MLB banishment doesn't preclude that, but the Hall chooses to respect and go along with MLB's rulings in these cases(Pete, Joe Jackson).

Yes, though they passed heir own rule in 1991 forbidding banned players. They are free to change that rule, obviously.

BBWAA Rules for Election
E. Any player on Baseball's ineligible list shall not be an eligible candidate.

 

[ndk_rivals308474]

The HoF could vote him in this year if they so choose. His MLB banishment doesn't preclude that, but the Hall chooses to respect and go along with MLB's rulings in these cases(Pete, Joe Jackson).

Ditto for being employed in the NCAA, Dominican leagues, Japanese leagues, etc. For those worried about his well being and finances, he could almost certainly find a coaching job overseas if he wanted to. It's just hard to feel bad for a guy that has habitually lied about his own actions for so long.

That being said, if MLB reinstated him for HoF purposes but didn't allow him in a clubhouse or front office, I don't think many people would be that upset about it.

 

[Chuckinden]

and my point is who gives a ****? I'm sure there's plenty of guys in the HOF right now that bet on baseball. He's not managing anymore, sure as hell isn't gonna play. Who cares if he bets? It's been nearly 30 years.

This has nothing to do with the HOF. Even if he had been admitted back into MLB, the HOF is a separate entity and could still not allow him in the hall.

 

[TransyCat09]

and my point is who gives a ****? I'm sure there's plenty of guys in the HOF right now that bet on baseball. He's not managing anymore, sure as hell isn't gonna play. Who cares if he bets? It's been nearly 30 years.

Because betting while a player throws the entire game into question. Part of why sports are different than other forms of entertainment is the belief that the outcome has not been determined beforehand

"Hey fans, come spend hundreds of dollars and get emotionally invested in this game that may be fixed!"

 

[Kaizer Sosay]

FREE PETE!!!!11111!!!!11111

 

[GrandePdre]

But Ty Cobb was a homicidal racist and he's in the hall. WTF?

Yeah, but they won't let Ty Cobb play those cornfield games in Iowa.

 

[UK_Is_Good]

I think it's pretty stupid and childish to "ban" anyone from any sport that no longer plays or wishes to manage.

Has he said he no longer wishes to manage?

 

[GrandePdre]

I used to have the opinion that he made his bed, let him lie in it. They gave him every opportunity back in the day to admit it, walk away, and they'd bury the evidence. He wouldn't do it, thinking he was bigger than the commissioner.

My stance has softened in recent years. He has seemed contrite and somewhat changed. I was willing to forgive the man, and I though Manfred should do the same.

Not after today. After reading his decision, I'm back on the F*ck 'em Bandwagon. He's learned nothing. He's still all about himself, he's still doing everything that got him in trouble in the first place, he's still a man I wouldn't trust to hold a dollar bill while I used the pisser.

Since 1920, they've had ONE really big rule (pre-steroids) that you simply cannot break-- don't bet on baseball. That was it. He broke it as a player. He broke it as a manager. They begged him to admit it and walk away. He told Giamatti essentially "F you, I dare you to do anything. I'm MF'n Pete GD Rose!" Giamatti banned him, then probably died from the stress and heartache from having to do it.

If he REALLY wanted back in baseball, if he REALLY wanted in the Hall of Fame, he'd have been a helluva lot more contrite, he'd have gotten help for his addictions, and he'd quit being such a goddamn shyster hawking his signature to everybody who's got spare change. He's nothing more than an a pathetic old clown show anymore, and I hate it. Reds fans deserve better.

 

[TransyCat09]

O yeah, he also lied for 20+ years, then "came clean" in order to be reinstated only for it to be discovered that he lied during that process too. Guy could have ruined the integrity of the league then lied about it.

30+ years for that isn't too bad imo

 

[argubs2]

He cannot die soon enough for the MLB.

At that point they'll put him in the HOF and everyone will finally STFU about it.

 

[dezyDeco]

Because betting while a player throws the entire game into question. Part of why sports are different than other forms of entertainment is the belief that the outcome has not been determined beforehand

"Hey fans, come spend hundreds of dollars and get emotionally invested in this game that may be fixed!"

That'd make sense on MLB's part, and I could respect that... if they hadn't looked the other way on all of the steroid use for all those years.

"Hey fans, come spend hundreds of more dollars, due to rising salaries based on juiced-up numbers that had a domino effect on all of the players' prices, and get emotionally invested in this game that may be fixed, especially if your team couldn't afford to have one of these 'roid monsters on it!"

 

[Anon1640710541]

the world is incredibly forgiving, and professional sports is no different. the entire downward spiral in his life was created by his gambling addiction.

mlb has more or less been BEGGING him to get help and clean up his act as the only condition of his reinstatement, and for 25+ years he's been completely disinterested. to think the hall or mlb should cave into this very small concession is incredibly stupid.

 

[Anon1640710541]

oh, and spare me the nonsense about ty cobb. for one, they aren't mutually exclusive. you can have one without the other, and you don't have to lower your standards to murderer/non murderer just because he's in.

and two, he began his playing career over 100 years ago. his father was nearly old enough to own slaves. that's how long ago he played. you just can't compare across generations like that.

 

[We-Todd-Did]

mlb has more or less been BEGGING him to get help and clean up his act as the only condition of his reinstatement, and for 25+ years he's been completely disinterested.

This is all you need to understand the whole thing. The fans are beating a dead horse, he's not changing so move on.

 

[mrhotdice]

The HofFame is voted on by sports writers who think they matter and have to protect the game.

How foolish is that.

 

[JohnBlue]

If he wanted in he'd tell the truth, don't blame them a bit for holding him out. He obviously still thinks he is bigger than the game.

 

[hoopsdave]

Totally agree with Grande and Transy. I don't know why people go so crazy to defend Rose. He is a colossal prick and low life not to mention not worthy of reinstatement.

True story. I have been to Las Vegas on 3 occasions...and on every occasion I have seen Rose in the casinos. Even if he is there quite often, thought it funny that I would happen upon him every trip in such a large town. Weird happenstance to say the least.

 

[mdlUK.1]

Totally agree with Grande and Transy. I don't know why people go so crazy to defend Rose. He is a colossal prick and low life not to mention not worthy of reinstatement.

True story. I have been to Las Vegas on 3 occasions...and on every occasion I have seen Rose in the casinos. Even if he is there quite often, thought it funny that I would happen upon him every trip in such a large town. Weird happenstance to say the least.

Maybe he says the same about you?

 

[Anon1640710541]

he's still actively, unapologetically, publicly engages in the exact same behavior that got him banned. and he refuses to change.

blaming anyone but rose himself = [eyeroll]

 

[TransyCat09]

That'd make sense on MLB's part, and I could respect that... if they hadn't looked the other way on all of the steroid use for all those years.

"Hey fans, come spend hundreds of more dollars, due to rising salaries based on juiced-up numbers that had a domino effect on all of the players' prices, and get emotionally invested in this game that may be fixed, especially if your team couldn't afford to have one of these 'roid monsters on it!"

[eyeroll] no. Cheating =/= fixing.

 

[dezyDeco]

[eyeroll] no. Cheating =/= fixing.

Just curious... what MLB team(s) did you root for in the late 90's?

 

[Catman100]

I have tried to soften on him as well over the time but he really is an unapologetic ***.

And if I live 500 more years, that will be 500 years that nobody would be able to convince me that he didn't bet against the Reds.

 

[TransyCat09]

Just curious... what MLB team(s) did you root for in the late 90's?

None. Never got attached to a team. Randy Johnson and Ken Griffey Jr were, by far, my favorite players growing up so I suppose the Mariners, but again, not really attached.

 

[buster3.0]

LOL, fu*king Pete. Dude is my hero. In his 70s, hard drinker his whole life and has a gambling addiction. Now he is an old man with some hot whooar half his age. Gives me hope that I can say screw you to all those judgemental do gooders and health experts. Just have fun every day. Do what feels good. Good ole Pete. He will die a 90 year old man laughing all the way.

 

[Anon1640710541]

<-- always read that pete never really drank much, if at all.

 

[KopiKat]

With all my heart I love Pete Rose. But with all logic available to me it is not lost that Pete has failed to remedy himself. Rule 21 is what it is. The extensions of Rule 21 as applied to Pete Rose are what they are. Nobody will ever swing a baseball bat successfully more times than Pete Rose. Nobody will ever play the game the way he did. Where desire and denial live together so lives the beautiful and tormenting heart of Pete Rose.

 

[WayneDougan_rivals170043]

Do a simple wiki on Ty Cobb. Some huckster author made up 90% of the bad stuff about him.

 

[Deeeefense]

Also denied reinstatement is my 40 year ban on Major League Baseball. This hypocritical piece of excrement can take the entire dope/criminal infested institution and stuff it.

 

[VillaCat]

Also denied reinstatement is my 40 year ban on Major League Baseball. This hypocritical piece of excrement can take the entire dope/criminal infested institution and stuff it.

I agree. MLB is pretty jacked up these days. How about finding some sort of way to level the playing field between large and small market teams? That might help with their precious "integrity of the game" too I bet.

 

[TransyCat09]

I agree. MLB is pretty jacked up these days. How about finding some sort of way to level the playing field between large and small market teams? That might help with their precious "integrity of the game" too I bet.

What?