Yeah but I was just commenting from his persepective..........so he was looking at UNC rebounding so that's why I said focus on the offensive rebounding from UNC. The defensive rebounding wasn't really the problem.
Play by Play Breakdown: Examining Rebounds in the UNC Game
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Yeah but I was just commenting from his persepective..........so he was looking at UNC rebounding so that's why I said focus on the offensive rebounding from UNC. The defensive rebounding wasn't really the problem.
5:19 - Cross-switch results in Chandler being posted by Jarin Stevenson. Stevenson misses the shot which makes its way back to the Chandler/Stevenson area. Both players make a swift vertical attempt to get to the ball. However, Chandler simply does not have the size and Stevenson is able to get a hand on the ball at his apex, flipping it behind him to the top of the key for an offensive rebound.
And you are right. That’s why I’m only looking at UNC off rebounds now. Think we are all in unison that’s what lost us the game so why not hyperfixate and look under the hood at those only?
Side note, rewatching this game: I really hope Pope is going at Aberdeen all week about the need to play off two feet. Oh my goodness, the horror of watching him get stuck in no man’s land on repeat.
1:53 - Oweh with a smothering contest on Bocavac fading jumper from about 10 feet. Moreno and Jelavic with excellent rebounding position, both with box outs on their respective assignments. Ball sharply whips in the direction of Jelavic/Wilson —- Jelavic fades backwards while leaping for the ball, but doesn’t get enough verticality as Wilson uses a superior launch to tap the ball with a picturesque play directly to Bogavac. Definitely a play that some may make an argument for effort. I simply believe this was an issue with fundamentals and awareness. Jelavic made good effort to retrieve the ball but needed a straight up and down motion to get more vertical to give himself a better chance to prevent Wilson from getting to that ball. The compensation for the ball’s trajectory led to AJ fading back while jumping and that won’t result in a max leap. Even a perfect jump makes it iffy with Wilson’s explosiveness, awareness, hands, and elite vertical jump.
00:2.8 - Dixon attempts a contested layup right before the half. Jelavic gets caught ball watching, which allows Wilson a lane to attempt a putback. Whether we call this one effort or awareness, I don’t mind either way —- I think we can all agree this play was unacceptable. Gotta finish the play even if you think the clock will expire.
Chalking this one up as effort for the away team, even though it’s really more an awareness issue. I can throw a bone.
Chalking this one up as effort for the away team, even though it’s really more an awareness issue. I can throw a bone.
Now that we are at halftime, here’s what I would say so far….
The amount of plays that UNC grabbed an offensive rebound in the first half that are clearly the result of effort —- zero.
If we argue the egregious lack of awareness on part of AJ going into the half is effort —- one.
Are there a couple more plays in the first half you could argue effort played a role? Sure, but I’d say you’re probably having to stretch to make it fit. Go rewatch and see for yourself.
In 5 minutes, I’ll begin to review the 3rd quarter of film.
The amount of plays that UNC grabbed an offensive rebound in the first half that are clearly the result of effort —- zero.
If we argue the egregious lack of awareness on part of AJ going into the half is effort —- one.
Are there a couple more plays in the first half you could argue effort played a role? Sure, but I’d say you’re probably having to stretch to make it fit. Go rewatch and see for yourself.
In 5 minutes, I’ll begin to review the 3rd quarter of film.
17:55 - Ball screen assignment confusion between Williams and Aberdeen, results in Moreno helping over on a wide open drive for a layup. However, Moreno times up a picture perfect block which —- you guessed it, landed directly in the diaper of a trailing big for the Tar Heels. I’m noting these, by the way, because in the college game retaining possession of the basketball after a blocked shot is counted as an offensive rebound. Was this play a lack of effort? No, it was a communication issue by the guards but was actually erased by outstanding effort by Moreno. Awful luck that the block was directed to a baby blue layup.
16:59 - Vesaar attempts a top of the arc three (late contest by Moreno). Kam Williams has Wilson covers up with a 3/4 position. (Honestly, Kam probably should have been called for a foul right here. He has wrapped Wilson essentially with two arms but no call.) Kam used his arms rather that his lower body to keep Wilson boxed, so Wilson works his way around and gains the advantage. Williams is slow to react to the ball and Wilson gets the out of area rebound, as the ball began to move far corner. I’m going to chalk this up as it effort. Williams has to be more disciplined with a solid fundamental boxout and should not rely on his arms as much as his feet and hips. I will agree this is effort.
16:55 - Because of Wilson’s offensive rebound out of the area, we now have a mismatch on our hands. We have Caleb Wilson being defended by Collin Chandler and Kam Williams tagging the center. After Wilson begins attempting a drive from post up position, Moreno provides the backside help and helps challenge a leaning shot. Moreno follows through attempting the shot and Wilson explodes through the lane for an immediate putback. This is still the same possession as the previous offensive rebound, but this effectively means three attempts at one possession for the Tar Heels. Moreno should have crashed here, but the leaning angle of the shot had him trying way too hard to avoid a foul call. Ultimately, this is going in the effort category for me.
16:28 - Williams walls up defending a Wilson driving layup. Williams is late getting from his verticality defense to his second jump. This is just Caleb Wilson having a superpower that Williams doesn’t have. Wilson’s immediate second bounce gives him the opportunity to sky for the ball. Williams’s effort keeps Wilson from corralling a clean board, but the damage is done —- Wilson’s ever-so-slight tap of the ball knocks it into a street fight between Vesaar and Moreno. Vesaar with the outside position is able to strongly rip the ball here, rather than Moreno whose inside position was inferior.
15:47 - After a corner three attempt from Stevenson that had far too much gusto, we have a rebounding battle between Aberdeen and Vesaar. Aberdeen leaps but the height advantage is too much and Vesaar is able to keep the board out of reach of the smaller guard.
Okay, three quarters through the game and it is clear that:
1.) We are getting destroyed with offensive rebounds
2.) So far, there is one possession where I would say there’s a clear effort issue related to rebounding and there was a reason for it (trying not to foul). There are a couple of other possessions where an argument could be made.
3.) Henri Vessaar ate us for breakfast, lunch and dinner.
On to the fourth quarter of the game in 5
1.) We are getting destroyed with offensive rebounds
2.) So far, there is one possession where I would say there’s a clear effort issue related to rebounding and there was a reason for it (trying not to foul). There are a couple of other possessions where an argument could be made.
3.) Henri Vessaar ate us for breakfast, lunch and dinner.
On to the fourth quarter of the game in 5
I'm pretty sure he meant it in an insulting way but I'm interested in the thread. You have to work at it to get well below one like per post. I'll probably exceed his average for this worthless post.
9:40 - I’m unsure whether this was recorded as an offensive rebound or not so I’ll add it just in case. We have a weak side block on a layup but the block was directed to Vessaar who was falling out of bounds as the shot clock expired. This play ended up in a review and I don’t know if they counted that as OREB. Either way, outstanding defense and effort.
1:21 - Jelavic goes up vertical and blocks a Wilson layup attempt but the ball lands directly in the hands of a UNC guard in the short corner. This counts as an OREB. Excellent effort, awful luck.
This results in some cross-matches and unfortunately another big-guard mismatch. UNC guard shoots a deep, deep three from the top of the key, and the ball bounces short left in the vicinity of Jelavic/Wilson. The ball gets tapped high and Jarin Stevenson grabs the ball as Oweh, who had gotten behind him in the rebound positioning battle, was no longer in an area to retrieve this ball.
Very long possession, no effort issue. Simple big-small mismatch resulting from a fortuitous bounce off a blocked shot.
This results in some cross-matches and unfortunately another big-guard mismatch. UNC guard shoots a deep, deep three from the top of the key, and the ball bounces short left in the vicinity of Jelavic/Wilson. The ball gets tapped high and Jarin Stevenson grabs the ball as Oweh, who had gotten behind him in the rebound positioning battle, was no longer in an area to retrieve this ball.
Very long possession, no effort issue. Simple big-small mismatch resulting from a fortuitous bounce off a blocked shot.
END OF GAME
In conclusion, was the defensive rebounding the result of effort? I can confidently say it absolutely was NOT the primary reason. No level of effort is going to be literally perfect in a college basketball game, so I’m not stating that our effort was anywhere near mythical proportions.
I’m sure many of you will not like to hear this:
- A heavy chunk of the offensive rebounds were a result of how the ball bounced. Sometimes that happens. You make a great block and it lands in the wrong hands for a layup. A hard rim collision causes a ball to launch all the way back to a guard thirty feet from the hoop. Want to say it’s cope? I gave you the timestamps…
- Caleb Wilson had too much of an athleticism, quickness and vertical advantage over Jelavic and Williams. This one pains me to say, because this is something that’s not (in my opinion) fixable. I think until those guys develop, we will struggle against elite rebounding power forwards. That, or Dioubate returns.
- Switching ball screens and in transition has allowed us to patch up some areas of defense that were extremely porous early on. However, a downside to switching is rebounding advantages begin to take shape. This happened on several possessions in this game.
Shout out to Moreno. In my live watch of the game, I thought Moreno was giving up boards. Rewatching —- I was wrong! I didn’t find anything other than the one bad possession with Moreno grabbing defensive rebounds —- he more than held up against elite frontcourt players. We are very lucky to have him in our program.
As far as rebounding is concerned, the effort was absolutely there. There is the one possession that I’m sure Moreno and Co. would love to have back that resulted in three Caleb Wilson shot attempts in one play. That one is the only clear effort play from my vantage point. Go Cats!
In conclusion, was the defensive rebounding the result of effort? I can confidently say it absolutely was NOT the primary reason. No level of effort is going to be literally perfect in a college basketball game, so I’m not stating that our effort was anywhere near mythical proportions.
I’m sure many of you will not like to hear this:
- A heavy chunk of the offensive rebounds were a result of how the ball bounced. Sometimes that happens. You make a great block and it lands in the wrong hands for a layup. A hard rim collision causes a ball to launch all the way back to a guard thirty feet from the hoop. Want to say it’s cope? I gave you the timestamps…
- Caleb Wilson had too much of an athleticism, quickness and vertical advantage over Jelavic and Williams. This one pains me to say, because this is something that’s not (in my opinion) fixable. I think until those guys develop, we will struggle against elite rebounding power forwards. That, or Dioubate returns.
- Switching ball screens and in transition has allowed us to patch up some areas of defense that were extremely porous early on. However, a downside to switching is rebounding advantages begin to take shape. This happened on several possessions in this game.
Shout out to Moreno. In my live watch of the game, I thought Moreno was giving up boards. Rewatching —- I was wrong! I didn’t find anything other than the one bad possession with Moreno grabbing defensive rebounds —- he more than held up against elite frontcourt players. We are very lucky to have him in our program.
As far as rebounding is concerned, the effort was absolutely there. There is the one possession that I’m sure Moreno and Co. would love to have back that resulted in three Caleb Wilson shot attempts in one play. That one is the only clear effort play from my vantage point. Go Cats!
Idk how you could stand watching that game again. I hate UNC and absolutely can’t stand that we lost to them. Thanks for taking the time to do that though.