Players as employees and under contract w/NFL model - seems inevitable

[blion72]

my brother works in firm in CBus who provides counsel and consulting to tOSU. Evidently there are student athletes in "non-revenue" women sports who have made inquiry into whether OSU directly paid stipends to FB players. Their claim is that if this is happening then OSU is going to owe all their athletes the same "stipend". This appears to be a Title iX claim, and according to my brother OSU has been advised that this claim has merit. This is very low key right now, but it may have legs. A lot has to do with Ryan Day public statements that he needed $X for "payroll", but his players right now cannot be on payroll - i.e. public employees.

The whole idea of the external organizations funding these players was to keep everything outside the university funding. In other words Day doesn't have a budget, but the external funding groups have an amount of money based on in the bank and future pledges. There is no way these organizations are going to cough up $1M payday for one season of a member of the women's golf team. Yet, that is exactly what this "case" is headed for, and is sitting on Title IX.

seems like the only way this is going to end easily is where the players are employees of a third-party organization that manages the football team outside of the university resources and budgets. They can pay the university for services and use of facilities as well as the licensing of the school trademark. Then these organizations can run just like NFL with contracts and team salary caps - players collectively bargain. NCAA is not needed but there would need to be league organization that mirrors the NFL. There might even be relationships between some of these organizations and NFL teams. This would eliminate the Title IX claim.

Not saying that this is good or bad, but it seems like the course we are on.

 

[LionJim]

Makes sense. It will be easy to see if OSU has been paying players directly.

 

[Player2BNamedL8r]

I miss “college” football. This is not to say I’m blind to the fact that backroom deals and under the table payments weren’t part of the old story, but corporate minor league football - while still entertaining - just doesn’t feel as fun.

 

[bdgan]

I miss “college” football. This is not to say I’m blind to the fact that backroom deals and under the table payments weren’t part of the old story, but corporate minor league football - while still entertaining - just doesn’t feel as fun.

And to think Enis got the boot for taking a suit

 

[Midnighter]

my brother works in firm in CBus who provides counsel and consulting to tOSU. Evidently there are student athletes in "non-revenue" women sports who have made inquiry into whether OSU directly paid stipends to FB players. Their claim is that if this is happening then OSU is going to owe all their athletes the same "stipend". This appears to be a Title iX claim, and according to my brother OSU has been advised that this claim has merit. This is very low key right now, but it may have legs. A lot has to do with Ryan Day public statements that he needed $X for "payroll", but his players right now cannot be on payroll - i.e. public employees.

The whole idea of the external organizations funding these players was to keep everything outside the university funding. In other words Day doesn't have a budget, but the external funding groups have an amount of money based on in the bank and future pledges. There is no way these organizations are going to cough up $1M payday for one season of a member of the women's golf team. Yet, that is exactly what this "case" is headed for, and is sitting on Title IX.

seems like the only way this is going to end easily is where the players are employees of a third-party organization that manages the football team outside of the university resources and budgets. They can pay the university for services and use of facilities as well as the licensing of the school trademark. Then these organizations can run just like NFL with contracts and team salary caps - players collectively bargain. NCAA is not needed but there would need to be league organization that mirrors the NFL. There might even be relationships between some of these organizations and NFL teams. This would eliminate the Title IX claim.

Not saying that this is good or bad, but it seems like the course we are on.

Best thing that could happen to be honest. Current model is wildly unsustainable. Contracts are desperately needed to protect coaches, players, and 'schools'. Big time football/basketball needs to be removed from any Title IX discussions; it's just not at all even.

 

[Lionville]

And to think Enis got the boot for taking a suit

Yeah. The Philly Inquirer reported that Abdul Carter is getting $2 million for his services.
Crazy.

 

[Midnighter]

You all saw the Miami Bball HC resign right? Makes the Final Four then has 8 players transfer. Brutal.

 

[Bison13]

Yeah. The Philly Inquirer reported that Abdul Carter is getting $2 million for his services.
Crazy.

That’s why I laughed when people made such a big deal that Ohio State was spending 20 million on their roster this year. Got plenty of friends over there that say 20 million only accounts for the offense.

 

[BobPSU92]

Yeah. The Philly Inquirer reported that Abdul Carter is getting $2 million for his services.
Crazy.

$2 MM to jump offsides? For f*ck’s sake.

 

[BobPSU92]

“College” Athletics.

 

[Steve JG]

my brother works in firm in CBus who provides counsel and consulting to tOSU. Evidently there are student athletes in "non-revenue" women sports who have made inquiry into whether OSU directly paid stipends to FB players. Their claim is that if this is happening then OSU is going to owe all their athletes the same "stipend". This appears to be a Title iX claim, and according to my brother OSU has been advised that this claim has merit. This is very low key right now, but it may have legs. A lot has to do with Ryan Day public statements that he needed $X for "payroll", but his players right now cannot be on payroll - i.e. public employees.

The whole idea of the external organizations funding these players was to keep everything outside the university funding. In other words Day doesn't have a budget, but the external funding groups have an amount of money based on in the bank and future pledges. There is no way these organizations are going to cough up $1M payday for one season of a member of the women's golf team. Yet, that is exactly what this "case" is headed for, and is sitting on Title IX.

seems like the only way this is going to end easily is where the players are employees of a third-party organization that manages the football team outside of the university resources and budgets. They can pay the university for services and use of facilities as well as the licensing of the school trademark. Then these organizations can run just like NFL with contracts and team salary caps - players collectively bargain. NCAA is not needed but there would need to be league organization that mirrors the NFL. There might even be relationships between some of these organizations and NFL teams. This would eliminate the Title IX claim.

Not saying that this is good or bad, but it seems like the course we are on.

been saying this fir a while. Make the players employees with a "standard" employment contract, CBA between players and schools. Levels playing field, takes much of the uncertainty out of the system.

 

[bdgan]

You all saw the Miami Bball HC resign right? Makes the Final Four then has 8 players transfer. Brutal.

He's wrong. Professional athletes don't have an open portal that allows them to transfer to the highest bidder twice per year.

 

[bdgan]

Yeah. The Philly Inquirer reported that Abdul Carter is getting $2 million for his services.
Crazy.

The equivalent of 10,000 suits

 

[blion72]

Best thing that could happen to be honest. Current model is wildly unsustainable. Contracts are desperately needed to protect coaches, players, and 'schools'. Big time football/basketball needs to be removed from any Title IX discussions; it's just not at all even.

It appears that the only way to avoid Title IX is to remove the players from "scholarship athlete" status. They can't get by with saying some sports are different based on the Title IX caselaw - that appears to be the legal advice given to tOSU.

In addition, in Ohio, they need to make sure the players are not employed by the school as that makes them public employees and apparently subject to state regulations and open records law. suggests some type of corporation that is arms length to the school perhaps like the school foundations work. Many of the players would probably not be students.

 

[Psumatt85]

It appears that the only way to avoid Title IX is to remove the players from "scholarship athlete" status. They can't get by with saying some sports are different based on the Title IX caselaw - that appears to be the legal advice given to tOSU.

In addition, in Ohio, they need to make sure the players are not employed by the school as that makes them public employees and apparently subject to state regulations and open records law. suggests some type of corporation that is arms length to the school perhaps like the school foundations work. Many of the players would probably not be students.

If the players are not students, why is it affiliated with an institution of higher learning

 

[blion72]

If the players are not students, why is it affiliated with an institution of higher learning

I believe the thinking is that the independent company that owns the team would license the school brand and have a contract with the school. That allows the company to hold the payroll outside the school. The players would just be employees of what amounts to be a minor league team that is for entertainment. It would be interesting to see the wage level for different players given that there would likely be a salary cap. While there is no requirement the players are students, the company could fund a tuition support plan but not a scholarship from the school.

Just a guess, but the football team staff would be "outsourced" - i.e. fired from the school and possibly be rehired by the company. The AD becomes a non-factor except as a manger of the contract with the football company.

Unfortunately, this is just avoiding the coming Title IX lawsuits that will seek equal funding for all sports. We are in crazy land and the lawyers think that there is an infinite piggybank from the schools and NCAA. All this pay for play money is not from schools but private donors who have little to no interest in the non-football sports.

 

[AvgUser]

I believe the thinking is that the independent company that owns the team would license the school brand and have a contract with the school.

If that ever happens, the enthusiasm and loyalty to the institution for whatever we call it (“college football”?) will plummet immensely in a very short time.

 

[Psumatt85]

Death spiral

 

[blion72]

If that ever happens, the enthusiasm and loyalty to the institution for whatever we call it (“college football”?) will plummet immensely in a very short time.

it would change the relationship between players (who today are students in concept) and the other students. The players would have no campus interaction with the students, which may be a connection today.

 

[Nittering Nabob]

Yeah. The Philly Inquirer reported that Abdul Carter is getting $2 million for his services.
Crazy.

For that money you'd think he'd be able to stay onsides.

 

[MontereyLion]

Ny naive question...today, where is all this money coming from, if not from the University?

 

[Midnighter]

Ny naive question...today, where is all this money coming from, if not from the University?

Which part?

NIL - Boosters/fans/companies.

Settlement - Schools. But the big middle finger here is I heard it’s mostly coming from NCAA basketball tournament revenue; schools who made money in the tourney would pay an amount based on what they received; and this money will be collected over a period of 10 years or so and given to players (football and bball) who weren’t allowed to make money from NIL. So, small bball only schools who do well in the Tourney (like Gonzaga) will pay more than others. Nice.

Future will be revenue sharing (schools) plus NIL, with the NCAA ‘reviewing’ NIL deals so they cannot just be pay for play (snicker).

 

[laKavosiey-st lion]

my brother works in firm in CBus who provides counsel and consulting to tOSU. Evidently there are student athletes in "non-revenue" women sports who have made inquiry into whether OSU directly paid stipends to FB players. Their claim is that if this is happening then OSU is going to owe all their athletes the same "stipend". This appears to be a Title iX claim, and according to my brother OSU has been advised that this claim has merit. This is very low key right now, but it may have legs. A lot has to do with Ryan Day public statements that he needed $X for "payroll", but his players right now cannot be on payroll - i.e. public employees.

The whole idea of the external organizations funding these players was to keep everything outside the university funding. In other words Day doesn't have a budget, but the external funding groups have an amount of money based on in the bank and future pledges. There is no way these organizations are going to cough up $1M payday for one season of a member of the women's golf team. Yet, that is exactly what this "case" is headed for, and is sitting on Title IX.

seems like the only way this is going to end easily is where the players are employees of a third-party organization that manages the football team outside of the university resources and budgets. They can pay the university for services and use of facilities as well as the licensing of the school trademark. Then these organizations can run just like NFL with contracts and team salary caps - players collectively bargain. NCAA is not needed but there would need to be league organization that mirrors the NFL. There might even be relationships between some of these organizations and NFL teams. This would eliminate the Title IX claim.

Not saying that this is good or bad, but it seems like the course we are on.

Fascinating. Please keep your insider close. Schit is nuts, love we can see inside.

 

[Steve JG]

it would change the relationship between players (who today are students in concept) and the other students. The players would have no campus interaction with the students, which may be a connection today.

enrollment in college could be part of standard employment contract. If there is a CBA and standardized employment system, could better regulate outside activities and possible enrollment in college

 

[Snide75]

“College” Athletics.

Could've had me for half that price

 

[Psumatt85]

enrollment in college could be part of standard employment contract. If there is a CBA and standardized employment system, could better regulate outside activities and possible enrollment in college

The question becomes why? Do they not get paid if they don’t make academic progress? That’ll work

 

[Steve JG]

The question becomes why? Do they not get paid if they don’t make academic progress? That’ll work

gives a reason too be part of a college

 

[J.E.B]

Simple way to resolve this as it’s heading in this direction anyway. Kids sign employment agreements with the university and organize. 5* sign 3 yr deals. 4* sign 2 yr deals. 3* and less sign one yr deals. Everyone knows when contracts expire. Your second deal is final. Free agency is after championship game for three weeks. Roster is set by end of February.

 

[BiochemPSU]

Time for schools to be schools and to get out of the professional athlete game.