Players Not Playing a Bowl Game ( Another Perspective)

[stormtrooper2001]

I continuously hear about people getting on players for making a decision to forgo the bowl games. I want to illustrate my thoughts on this because I think this perspective needs to be heard. To this I am going to try to reframe this to put you in a situation you may have been in professionally or a "hypothetical" if you haven't been in it yet.

If you have ever been at an important position within your company and decided to change jobs for better opportunity for your family you are "guilty" of what these players are "guilty" of. Because if you wouldn't have left, the company could have maneuvered better through a situation which would have created a win which would have helped all of your co-workers. But because you left, you put more weight on your coworkers and the company had to sink resources into finding your replacement. Now If you've never been in an important position within a company or organization and you are over 40 years old then your opinion on this topic just frankly doesn't matter. ( I know that hurts but it's true)

If Rocket opts out for example, he has already had a knee injury. Can you imagine as good of a sophomore year as he had to stung with injuries last year how many sleepless nights he may have had wondering if his NFL future was compromised? And to come back this year and have a very impressionable year and a potential to be drafted? Why risk anything for a bowl game that doesn't take you to a championship? Also I could see him thinking selflessly and say "hey this makes sense for me, but also selflessly I want to give next year's talent repetitions so SC can go into next year more experienced." - That actually makes sense of how it's for the betterment for our PROGRAM longer term

It's true that some of these players make decisions that are selfish without much critical thinking but that will be on them. It's up to the team to manage this and recruit depth.

The main point here is it's NOT AS BLACK AND WHITE as many of you would believe.

 

[18IsTheMan]

There is nothing novel about your perspective. That hollow argument has been made ad nauseum.

I'll pick an equally bad analogy to prove my argument.

It's no different than a soldier in war refusing to go out to fight in a decisive battle with his fellow soldiers when he has previously survived being shot and he's a few weeks away from being discharged.

Side note, but I'm actually old enough to remember when sports was seen as a vehicle for teaching character, discipline, teamwork and sacrifice.

 

[PrestonyteParrot]

A decision is made with the brain. A commitment is made with the heart. Therefore, a commitment is much deeper and more binding than a decision

Nido R Qubein

 

[Rhode Island Dork]

I continuously hear about people getting on players for making a decision to forgo the bowl games. I want to illustrate my thoughts on this because I think this perspective needs to be heard. To this I am going to try to reframe this to put you in a situation you may have been in professionally or a "hypothetical" if you haven't been in it yet.

If you have ever been at an important position within your company and decided to change jobs for better opportunity for your family you are "guilty" of what these players are "guilty" of. Because if you wouldn't have left, the company could have maneuvered better through a situation which would have created a win which would have helped all of your co-workers. But because you left, you put more weight on your coworkers and the company had to sink resources into finding your replacement. Now If you've never been in an important position within a company or organization and you are over 40 years old then your opinion on this topic just frankly doesn't matter. ( I know that hurts but it's true)

If Rocket opts out for example, he has already had a knee injury. Can you imagine as good of a sophomore year as he had to stung with injuries last year how many sleepless nights he may have had wondering if his NFL future was compromised? And to come back this year and have a very impressionable year and a potential to be drafted? Why risk anything for a bowl game that doesn't take you to a championship? Also I could see him thinking selflessly and say "hey this makes sense for me, but also selflessly I want to give next year's talent repetitions so SC can go into next year more experienced." - That actually makes sense of how it's for the betterment for our PROGRAM longer term

It's true that some of these players make decisions that are selfish without much critical thinking but that will be on them. It's up to the team to manage this and recruit depth.

The main point here is it's NOT AS BLACK AND WHITE as many of you would believe.

Apples & Oranges. At the season's completion (after the bowl game), every damn player can leave & I wouldn't accuse them of quitting. They finished the job. Quit before a bowl game, you'll be a quitter that didn't finish for the rest of your life.

 

[18IsTheMan]

Apples & Oranges. At the season's completion (after the bowl game), every damn player can leave & I wouldn't accuse them of quitting. They finished the job. Quit before a bowl game, you'll be a quitter that didn't finish for the rest of your life.

Mark it down: you'll soon have top players not playing in regular season games that are deemed "meaningless". Why should a soon-to-be NFL draft pick bother playing in a game against an FCS opponent? Why risk injury playing in a game that doesn't matter?

And you will absolutely see top players "opting out" of the rest of the season once teams hit the 4-loss mark. By the logic that non CFP bowl games are meaningless, once you're out of playoff contention all games after that are meaningless.

 

[18IsTheMan]

Apples & Oranges. At the season's completion (after the bowl game), every damn player can leave & I wouldn't accuse them of quitting. They finished the job. Quit before a bowl game, you'll be a quitter that didn't finish for the rest of your life.

The shame of it is obvious as they had to create a new term to take the place of quitting.

Shoot, I'd actually respect a player more if he just straight up said: "I'm out for myself. I don't care about the team. I'm quitting." At least own what you're doing.

Hiding behind some PC term to mask your true motivation is cowardly.

 

[Slim Chickens Gamecock]

Bottom line is we need to be deep enough to have second string players who have had significant reps during the season enough to now start and beat the likes of Illinois. It all goes back to recruiting. WE need lots of 4-start and 5-star talent.
WE also need two more experienced DT's in the Portal. Yes, we got Brown-Dindy and Zavion but we need depth. i know change of subject, i just want more out of this year's portal and it seems to be ending.

 

[Rhode Island Dork]

Bottom line is we need to be deep enough to have second string players who have had significant reps during the season enough to now start and beat the likes of Illinois. It all goes back to recruiting. WE need lots of 4-start and 5-star talent.
WE also need two more experienced DT's in the Portal. Yes, we got Brown-Dindy and Zavion but we need depth. i know change of subject, i just want more out of this year's portal and it seems to be ending.

We will run the ball fine. I'm just worried about pass protection. Rocket was pretty good in it most of the time. That's the last thing college backs become adept at & it takes lots & lots of reps to get there. We'll probably suffer some in their pass protection against the Illini. I suspect we'll run it pretty good, though. I wanna see Matthew Fuller!!

 

[stormtrooper2001]

There is nothing novel about your perspective. That hollow argument has been made ad nauseum.

I'll pick an equally bad analogy to prove my argument.

It's no different than a soldier in war refusing to go out to fight in a decisive battle with his fellow soldiers when he has previously survived being shot and he's a few weeks away from being discharged.

Side note, but I'm actually old enough to remember when sports was seen as a vehicle for teaching character, discipline, teamwork and sacrifice.

@18IsTheMan you can conjure up whatever emotional /feelings based argument you want and deflect it with the "ad nauseum" thing you mentioned, but what you are saying is that EVERYONE who quits their work for a better job, not matter how much labor that puts on their coworkers, resources it drains from their company or disadvantageous position it puts the well being of the company in, is a quitter and the excuse of doing what's best for my family is not a good enough reason. That's what you are saying. There's hiding from that. As long as you agree with that I'll at least respect that you are consistent in your opinions.

What I'm saying is NOT that people should or shouldn't not play. I'm saying it's not black and white and that context matters and it's a personal decision that needs to be respected. It can be selfish or it can be a sound decision. Both situations can happen it's not ALL who don't play are "quitters "

 

[18IsTheMan]

@18IsTheMan you can conjure up whatever emotional /feelings based argument you want and deflect it with the "ad nauseum" thing you mentioned, but what you are saying is that EVERYONE who quits their work for a better job, not matter how much labor that puts on their coworkers, resources it drains from their company or disadvantageous position it puts the well being of the company in, is a quitter and the excuse of doing what's best for my family is not a good enough reason. That's what you are saying. There's hiding from that. As long as you agree with that I'll at least respect that you are consistent in your opinions.

What I'm saying is NOT that people should or shouldn't not play. I'm saying it's not black and white and that context matters and it's a personal decision that needs to be respected. It can be selfish or it can be a sound decision. Both situations can happen it's not ALL who don't play are "quitters "

I was merely responding to the emotional/feelings based argument you set forth.

 

[stormtrooper2001]

Mark it down: you'll soon have top players not playing in regular season games that are deemed "meaningless". Why should a soon-to-be NFL draft pick bother playing in a game against an FCS opponent? Why risk injury playing in a game that doesn't matter?

And you will absolutely see top players "opting out" of the rest of the season once teams hit the 4-loss mark. By the logic that non CFP bowl games are meaningless, once you're out of playoff contention all games after that are meaningless.

That's what everyone said 11 years ago when everyone said Clowney shouldn't have played his senior season. Hasn't happened yet. And if it does we will adapt. There will be people who stick it out and people who don't play. So be it. The people who don't play may actually end up hurting themselves with the decision and that's something they will have to bear. Decisions are buisness decisions. Coaches make em. You make em . I make em. Players make em. Sometimes they're good, sometimes they aren't but we will all evolve if this ever would happen.

 

[18IsTheMan]

That's what everyone said 11 years ago when everyone said Clowney shouldn't have played his senior season. Hasn't happened yet. And if it does we will adapt. There will be people who stick it out and people who don't play. So be it. The people who don't play may actually end up hurting themselves with the decision and that's something they will have to bear. Decisions are buisness decisions. Coaches make em. You make em . I make em. Players make em. Sometimes they're good, sometimes they aren't but we will all evolve if this ever would happen.

Where have you been?

You know there are now mid-season opt outs now, right?

 

[I4CtheFuture]

Bottom line: That's a lot of words to rationalize quitting on your team.

It is an atrocious lesson to teach young people.

 

[stormtrooper2001]

Where have you been?

You know there are now mid-season opt outs now, right?

Eehhh I read it wrong and read “seasons” but it makes no difference with the point I make. We are going in a fairer direction and letting the natural laws of supply and demand take over just like our forefathers wanted us to. We don’t need this much regulation in business in any level. And Yes it’s a business not war. Pay the players what they are worth, if they are old enough to vote then they are old enough to go to war and then they are old enough to make business decisions. Not all will be great but it’s Freedom , it’s America.

 

[Yard_Pimps]

There is nothing novel about your perspective. That hollow argument has been made ad nauseum.

I'll pick an equally bad analogy to prove my argument.

It's no different than a soldier in war refusing to go out to fight in a decisive battle with his fellow soldiers when he has previously survived being shot and he's a few weeks away from being discharged.

Side note, but I'm actually old enough to remember when sports was seen as a vehicle for teaching character, discipline, teamwork and sacrifice.

The analogy comparing college players opting out of bowl games to a soldier refusing to fight in a war is flawed because it conflates fundamentally different contexts—military service and college athletics—and oversimplifies the motivations and stakes involved.