Princeton 3 pt Shooters

PURPLE Book Cat

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With due respect to Berry, it would sure be nice to poach a pure situational spot up shooter who could drain shots in the tournament like those Princeton guys from the portal
 

olsh

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Berry wasn't nearly consistent enough to be that guy in 2023. But he got great experience this year - so let's hope he takes it to heart and comes back ready to be a guy like that next year. We'll need it!
 

Hungry Jack

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Ty showed a lot of mettle as a defender and a rebounder despite the inconsistent shooting. He has a good handle too. I think he could develop a mid-range game if needed and his offensive role is to change.
 

Hungry Jack

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Bring on da Funk.
 

Katatonic

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Princeton reached the Sweet Sixteen despite losing 4 important players to the transfer portal (due to the Ivies capping eligibility to 4 yrs).

Don't want to hear about how NU can't compete due to the lack of athleticism (getting good shooters in a good system can go a long ways in making up for that).

On a side note, it's been 8 yrs since Harvard has made the Tourney (7 if you take away the canceled season).

As expected, the bloom has certainly come off Amaker.
 
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CatJones

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On a side note, it's been 8 yrs since Harvard has made the Tourney (7 if you take away the canceled season).

As expected, the bloom has certainly come off Amaker.
...and considering Harvard admissions is very flexible when it comes to top talent.
 

hollandnucat

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I like that Berry is a hard working player that is a very good defender and rebounder. With that in mind a very valuable member of our team. I think Berry will work hard and be a better shooter next year but I do not expect he will ever be that consistently dead eye shooter we want.
 

NUAlum2010

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Princeton reached the Sweet Sixteen despite losing 4 important players to the transfer portal (due to the Ivies capping eligibility to 4 yrs).

Don't want to hear about how NU can't compete due to the lack of athleticism (getting good shooters in a good system can go a long ways in making up for that).

On a side note, it's been 8 yrs since Harvard has made the Tourney (7 if you take away the canceled season).

As expected, the bloom has certainly come off Amaker.
While all of this is true, Princeton won 2 games against high major teams all season (both in the tournament). In fact, they didn't even play a high major team until Arizona on Thursday, but they still lost 8 games. They ended the year NET 111.

Taking a 2 game tournament run from a mid-major and extrapolating that to a high major isn't really a good analogy IMO. **** happens in a 2 day tournament vacuum and, minus Gonzaga, none of these upstarts ever replicate their feat and do this consistently.

Princeton is a solid ball club that can certainly beat you when things are on for them and off for the opponent. But, they are probably about what their NET 111 ranking suggests. Princeton didn't have a prayer of making the tournament in a high major conference. I'd rather not emulate that. Even getting to the tournament is a completely different animal in the B1G compared to a mid major.
 

PURPLE Book Cat

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While all of this is true, Princeton won 2 games against high major teams all season (both in the tournament). In fact, they didn't even play a high major team until Arizona on Thursday, but they still lost 8 games. They ended the year NET 111.

Taking a 2 game tournament run from a mid-major and extrapolating that to a high major isn't really a good analogy IMO. **** happens in a 2 day tournament vacuum and, minus Gonzaga, none of these upstarts ever replicate their feat and do this consistently.

Princeton is a solid ball club that can certainly beat you when things are on for them and off for the opponent. But, they are probably about what their NET 111 ranking suggests. Princeton didn't have a prayer of making the tournament in a high major conference. I'd rather not emulate that. Even getting to the tournament is a completely different animal in the B1G compared to a mid major.
All I’m asking for is another shooter!
 

NUAlum2010

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All I’m asking for is another shooter!
I can get on board with that.

Apologies for hastily reading and misinterpreting your initial post.

This team would have been scary this season with a shooter or two. I noted during their big stretch in February that they were Final Four contenders when shooting respectably. That certainly held true as they hung in with UCLA despite shooting terribly.
 

Smolmania

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Nov 4, 2008
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And the sad thing is that they were getting good, makeable shots, but just couldn't knock them down... which was a problem all year long. Being an elite defensive team will keep you in games, even against good or even great teams, but if you can't score you'll eventually have a problem.
 

ballerog711

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Berry shot is fixable. It is flat. Needs to get some arch in the shot. Could be more legs or changing his release point. I think he is aware he has to fix it.

Plus some competition from Strauss might help
 

rogerkim

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And the sad thing is that they were getting good, makeable shots, but just couldn't knock them down... which was a problem all year long. Being an elite defensive team will keep you in games, even against good or even great teams, but if you can't score you'll eventually have a problem.
Agree with both of these statements - and I wonder whether they're related.

I've been wondering most of the year whether the physical effort it takes to be the elite defensive team we are is (at least partially) responsible for our poor FG percentage. While I think our team this year showed remarkable endurance in keeping the defensive pressure on opposing teams for the entire 40 minutes each game, I do believe there is a price to be paid on the other end of the court, where some players might not have the legs to hit the long range jumpers.

Not saying that I would trade our defensive performance this year for anything, but I do think there is an unintended consequence. But if we could keep the defense and add just a few percentage points for 2pt and 3pt FGs throughout the season, and the whole narrative changes.
 

Smolmania

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RK, I agree with your premise, but think our lack of depth (something Cronin specifically pointed out in his halftime interview when he talked about their continuing to put pressure on our guards bringing the ball up the court) was a major contributor to our tired legs and the natural effect on our shooting percentages. Watching the FAU-FDU game yesterday, with both coaches changing out 2, 3, and even 4 players at a time was quite the eye opener. I thought our team looked good at multiple times this season pressing our opponent full court. But the physical toll that extending your defense to 90' was simply not possible with the state of our bench. A few more minutes on the bench resting could pay real benefits on both sides of the ball...
 

hdhntr1

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...and considering Harvard admissions is very flexible when it comes to top talent.
They had an advantage when he got there and they started with using their endowment to basically give scholarships to anyone they wanted, but others in the Ivies caught up to what they were doing and advantage gone
 

hdhntr1

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Princeton reached the Sweet Sixteen despite losing 4 important players to the transfer portal (due to the Ivies capping eligibility to 4 yrs).

Don't want to hear about how NU can't compete due to the lack of athleticism (getting good shooters in a good system can go a long ways in making up for that).

On a side note, it's been 8 yrs since Harvard has made the Tourney (7 if you take away the canceled season).

As expected, the bloom has certainly come off Amaker.
You need athleticism at certain positions. Especially PG
 

Katatonic

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Princeton reached the Sweet Sixteen despite losing 4 important players to the transfer portal (due to the Ivies capping eligibility to 4 yrs
 

Katatonic

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Oct 23, 2004
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Princeton is a solid ball club that can certainly beat you when things are on for them and off for the opponent. But, they are probably about what their NET 111 ranking suggests. Princeton didn't have a prayer of making the tournament in a high major conference. I'd rather not emulate that. Even getting to the tournament is a completely different animal in the B1G compared to a mid major.

I'm not saying going down to Princeton's level of athleticism, but to maintain our own (if not improve), but really improve with regard to skill set (such as shooting).


You need athleticism at certain positions. Especially PG

True, you need a certain level/amount, but Juice, BMac and Boo were not on the plus side when it came to athleticism for their position, but they made up for it with skill

Audige is more athletic compared to Boo, but he didn't drive to the basket as much as one would have liked b/c he hadn't developed that part of his game as much as Boo (such as having a deadly floater).

Audige relied too much on his jump shot, as we all know was very streaky...
 

rogerkim

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RK, I agree with your premise, but think our lack of depth (something Cronin specifically pointed out in his halftime interview when he talked about their continuing to put pressure on our guards bringing the ball up the court) was a major contributor to our tired legs and the natural effect on our shooting percentages. Watching the FAU-FDU game yesterday, with both coaches changing out 2, 3, and even 4 players at a time was quite the eye opener. I thought our team looked good at multiple times this season pressing our opponent full court. But the physical toll that extending your defense to 90' was simply not possible with the state of our bench. A few more minutes on the bench resting could pay real benefits on both sides of the ball...
Good point about our depth: agree that it certainly would be a factor on this dynamic as well. Yet another reason I would really like to see Buie and Audige come back.
 

AdamOnFirst

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Ty showed a lot of mettle as a defender and a rebounder despite the inconsistent shooting. He has a good handle too. I think he could develop a mid-range game if needed and his offensive role is to change.
Agreed, Ty was nearly always good and helpful defensively, on the boards and moving the ball on offense. On top of this, while he is plenty of bad shooting nights he almost always took good shots. He wasn’t out there trying to throw up junk, he was out snapping off the wide open threes our offense opened up to him with some frequency.

If he starts converting those at a decent or better rate he’s an absolutely elite 3 and D guy.
 

NJCat

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RK, I agree with your premise, but think our lack of depth (something Cronin specifically pointed out in his halftime interview when he talked about their continuing to put pressure on our guards bringing the ball up the court) was a major contributor to our tired legs and the natural effect on our shooting percentages.
But the thing is, UCLA's Guards played 39 and 38 minutes, so that pretty much is a wash with the NU tandem playing 39 and 35, no? And NU outscored the UCLA Guards 34-26. Just sayin'

Maybe it was more about talent than minutes. Face it, UCLA had better Jimmies and Joes. Credit to NU for playing as close as they did.
 

xxxbobxxx

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Mar 12, 2005
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But the thing is, UCLA's Guards played 39 and 38 minutes, so that pretty much is a wash with the NU tandem playing 39 and 35, no? And NU outscored the UCLA Guards 34-26. Just sayin'

Maybe it was more about talent than minutes. Face it, UCLA had better Jimmies and Joes. Credit to NU for playing as close as they did.
Wait - which guards? UCLA ran a four G lineup. Granted a couple are as much a guard as our own BB but still…
 

CappyNU

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