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The '23 class is a great class, 26 with 14 already on campus. With the somewhat easy schedule, I hope to see several of these guys on the field early. Something I have found interesting is the amount of PWO athletes OU has in the '23 class. I do not remember seeing many PWO's in one cycle. Several are from the state of Oklahoma which I like, and I hope they can contribute to the scout team and possibly earn some playing time.
 
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Agree.
3 five star and 14 four star, a JUCO defense back and some decent 3 star players, along with last year's solid class should put a bunch of new quality talent on the field.
And that will include a better transfer haul than a year ago arriving.
The early schedule before the Texas game should help get this team settled in.
 
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BV is getting it done, either something he learned from Dabo, or came up on his own. Bringing in PWO from the state of OK to compete for a spot on the team is genius. All of these kids have talent and could go play somewhere, but they want to play at OU, a childhood dream. They are going to make the scholarship buys better, These are the Brandon Burlsworth and Rudy Ruettigers of the world. Hopefully, those scholarship guys respond, develop and prove why they were 4 and 5-star athletes. Rileys' recruits felt entitled and for that reason alone they never developed. Hats off to BV and staff and to all the PWO's go give them hell.
 
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BV is getting it done, either something he learned from Dabo, or came up on his own. Bringing in PWO from the state of OK to compete for a spot on the team is genius. All of these kids have talent and could go play somewhere, but they want to play at OU, a childhood dream. They are going to make the scholarship buys better, These are the Brandon Burlsworth and Rudy Ruettigers of the world. Hopefully, those scholarship guys respond, develop and prove why they were 4 and 5-star athletes. Rileys' recruits felt entitled and for that reason alone they never developed. Hats off to BV and staff and to all the PWO's go give them hell.
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Bill Snyder was an influence I'm sure. God dam good coach and mentor.
 
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Even though it was an epic feel good story, "Rudy" was hogwash. Between the Navy, employment, and JUCO, he was at least 26 when he finally made it as a walk-on at Notre Dame and 27 when he actually made it into a game at the end of the 1975 season. More Notre Dame BS...to go along with Rockne, the Gipper, etc.
 
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Even though it was an epic feel good story, "Rudy" was hogwash. Between the Navy, employment, and JUCO, he was at least 26 when he finally made it as a walk-on at Notre Dame and 27 when he actually made it into a game at the end of the 1975 season. More Notre Dame BS...to go along with Rockne, the Gipper, etc.
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What Hollywood does. Feel good story. 👍
 
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WP76 said:
Even though it was an epic feel good story, "Rudy" was hogwash. Between the Navy, employment, and JUCO, he was at least 26 when he finally made it as a walk-on at Notre Dame and 27 when he actually made it into a game at the end of the 1975 season. More Notre Dame BS...to go along with Rockne, the Gipper, etc.
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No doubt "Rudy" is devoid of historical accuracy, but I regard the film as just a nice story.
And like it or not, Notre Dame is a storied football school.
"Pride of the Yankees" with Gary Cooper as Lou Gehrig was a great movie, too, with a few Hollywood twists.
FWIW, my two favorite sports movies are "Hoosiers" and "Blue Chips".... even though basketball is far from my favorite sport. "Hoosiers" is a top 3 movie for me.
 
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Rudy is the same category of historical accuracy as, I don't know...Braveheart?
 
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Or as John Wayne's role as Davy Crocket in the 1960 film '"The Alamo".
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I only watched that film once when I was in first or second grade. Way too long a film for a person of that age. I'll have to revisit it now.
 
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Brians song.
HS Football Coach made us watch it back in the 80's. Not a lot of dry eyes in that locker room after it.
 
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It was on one of the local movie channels a month ago, and I taped it. I believe it was on ABC my junior year at OU. In old Washington house, the TV room at the west end of the first floor was packed. I remember sitting next to Bruce Deloney, and us having a brief discussion afterward. I don't think there were many dry eyes in the room, though is was covered up well.

The promo posted says 1972, but that is incorrect. The show premiered on ABC five days after the GOTC, November 30, 1971.
 
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He also got cancer, along with a huge percentage of the cast of Genghis Khan, filmed mostly on the site of old nuclear testing grounds.

What is your problem with John Wayne? He is an icon. And rightfully so.
 
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I know it wasn't a great film.

But it was the second jab at John Wayne in the thread. The other jab wasn't yours. But I like the Duke and his work lot a lot of other people do. I was sick of my kids being in public school classrooms where his work and his life were ridiculed, mostly because he wasn't one of Hollywood's bleeding hearts. Sorry if my reaction was over the top.
 
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I know it wasn't a great film.

But it was the second jab at John Wayne in the thread. The other jab wasn't yours. But I like the Duke and his work lot a lot of other people do. I was sick of my kids being in public school classrooms where his work and his life were ridiculed, mostly because he wasn't one of Hollywood's bleeding hearts. Sorry if my reaction was over the top.
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The best way to be excused (banished) from the table in my house was to whisper a foul word of John Wayne.
 
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Scottsdale.Sooner said:
The best way to be excused (banished) from the table in my house was to whisper a foul word of John Wayne.
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It was that way when I was living at home in the 60's and early 70's. My dad believed opposition to the Vietnam War was cowardly, communistic and anti-American and he loved Wayne's hawkish stance on the Vietnam War.
Personally, I don't see opposing our government's foreign policy is necessarily a liberal-conservative issue. Almost 50 years since the Vietnam War ended, I see how bogus and wasteful the US involvement was in SE Asia and I see it again in the Middle East quagmire we're in now and now that we are in it, we can't get out.
My opinion of John Wayne as an actor is that while he's an iconic actor, he always seemed to play himself in every movie. His versatility was lacking and the type of character he portrayed was essentially the same.... which is not to say I did not enjoy some of his films, especially "The Horse Soldiers".
But his lecture on the nobility and worthiness of US invention in Vietnam was over the top as far as I'm concerned. He wore his patriotism on his sleeve.
 
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CTOkie said:
It was that way when I was living at home in the 60's and early 70's. My dad believed opposition to the Vietnam War was cowardly, communistic and anti-American and he loved Wayne's hawkish stance on the Vietnam War.
Personally, I don't see opposing our government's foreign policy is necessarily a liberal-conservative issue. Almost 50 years since the Vietnam War ended, I see how bogus and wasteful the US involvement was in SE Asia and I see it again in the Middle East quagmire we're in now and now that we are in it, we can't get out.
My opinion of John Wayne as an actor is that while he's an iconic actor, he always seemed to play himself in every movie. His versatility was lacking and the type of character he portrayed was essentially the same.... which is not to say I did not enjoy some of his films, especially "The Horse Soldiers".
But his lecture on the nobility and worthiness of US invention in Vietnam was over the top as far as I'm concerned. He wore his patriotism on his sleeve.
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You speak of patriotism and transparency as if they are bad things. I find both to be great qualities & especially honorable in today’s culture b/c of their ever increasing rarity & the “me first” attitudes so commonplace among those with a voice today. I know hindsight is 20/20 when we look back on wars and the reasoning/sentiment in the era is almost always much different when we don't have the luxury of knowing what the ramifications will be in the future or the reasons why things are happening that way in the present.
 
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You speak of patriotism and transparency as if they are bad things. I find both to be great qualities & especially honorable in today’s culture b/c of their ever-increasing rarity & the “me first” attitudes so commonplace among those with a voice today.
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Wrong.
It is patriotic to question our government’s policies and still love this country. I'm thankful I live in this country every day, but I question the quality of people we continue to elect these days based upon social medias BS and a lack of historical knowledge and appreciation.
There certainly was an anti-American sentiment that hijacked much or the protests during the Vietnam era and the January 6th demonstrations on our capital. And politicians and the media have stirred the turmoil that resulted in these protests.
Blind, excessive patriotism can be reckless.... as are the "me-first", publicity grabbing, cancel-culture protests are today. We are divided as much as we were in 1860 with politicians and a media that serves only hatred and distrust for opposing views. News is rarely reported to us. It's interpreted to us, right vs. left.
 
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Wrong.
It is patriotic to question our government’s policies and still love this country. I'm thankful I live in this country every day, but I question the quality of people we continue to elect these days based upon social medias BS and a lack of historical knowledge and appreciation.
There certainly was an anti-American sentiment that hijacked much or the protests during the Vietnam era and the January 6th demonstrations on our capital. And politicians and the media have stirred the turmoil that resulted in these protests.
Blind, excessive patriotism can be reckless.... as are the "me-first", publicity grabbing, cancel-culture protests are today. We are divided as much as we were in 1860 with politicians and a media that serves only hatred and distrust for opposing views. News is rarely reported to us. It's interpreted to us, right vs. left.
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I would never argue that it is wrong to be able to argue government policies. That is what keeps us from becoming a socialist regime. I should probably listen to what John Wayne said regarding the Vietnam War before commenting further. I just know a lot of military personnel at the time did what they did b/c they were told to do so. The sad thing is they never felt the respect they deserved based on what the government made them do. They are no less heroes than those that fought in the American Revolution. I think we can agree that the military did their best to represent our country while we can also agree in hindsight that Vietnam was a war we had no business fighting. You are right about how the media is the instigator for hate and intolerance of others on both sides. I also believe that is by design, unfortunately.
 
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We are divided as much as we were in 1860.
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That's hyperbole. 620,000 Americans killed each other in the 1860s. We aren't killing each other yet. Like you say, it's just media inflation of the fringe minority. Most Americans still get along and think alike on important topics like family, education, and the economy.
 
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That's hyperbole. 620,000 Americans killed each other in the 1860s. We aren't killing each other yet. Like you say, it's just media inflation of the fringe minority. Most Americans still get along and think alike on important topics like family, education, and the economy.
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Good point.
But you did indicate "We aren't killing each other YET".
 
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I would never argue that it is wrong to be able to argue government policies. That is what keeps us from becoming a socialist regime. I should probably listen to what John Wayne said regarding the Vietnam War before commenting further. I just know a lot of military personnel at the time did what they did b/c they were told to do so. The sad thing is they never felt the respect they deserved based on what the government made them do. They are no less heroes than those that fought in the American Revolution. I think we can agree that the military did their best to represent our country while we can also agree in hindsight that Vietnam was a war we had no business fighting. You are right about how the media is the instigator for hate and intolerance of others on both sides. I also believe that is by design, unfortunately.
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I also believe the media is the instigator for division among us.... and it's intentional. A divided population weakens a nation from within by making its people easy to exploit.
Lincoln said "A house divided against itself cannot stand".
 
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I also believe the media is the instigator for division among us.... and it's intentional. A divided population weakens a nation from within by making its people easy to exploit.
Lincoln said "A house divided against itself cannot stand".
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"Divide and conquer."

Making money through investments mostly comes down to timing. If you can see the future, you can basically print money with your forecasts. If you can't see the future, you just need to slow down the majority enough that you are basically "working in the future." Politicians use their insider knowledge and ability to manipulate the masses via the media to slow us down enough that they are "working in the future," - (i.e. getting rich).

Strong evidence shows our government and pharmaceutical companies were aware of the COVID-19 outbreak deep in 2019. So why would they withhold information from the public for so long? What possible benefit could it have to keep that a secret when it risked making matters so much worse? Buying time to make good financial moves - working in the future.
 
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The media knows how much money is to be made from controversy, discord, division and even hatred. Bringing people together for finding common ground will never pay their bills.
 
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tansoonerfan said:
You speak of patriotism and transparency as if they are bad things. I find both to be great qualities & especially honorable in today’s culture b/c of their ever increasing rarity & the “me first” attitudes so commonplace among those with a voice today. I know hindsight is 20/20 when we look back on wars and the reasoning/sentiment in the era is almost always much different when we don't have the luxury of knowing what the ramifications will be in the future or the reasons why things are happening that way in the present.
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Actors are me first along with their directors. Facts are lost in today's productions. Imo.
 
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CTOkie said:
I also believe the media is the instigator for division among us.... and it's intentional. A divided population weakens a nation from within by making its people easy to exploit.
Lincoln said "A house divided against itself cannot stand".
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And here we are today.
 
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