Question about Max Christie and Baldwin Jr.?
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Why would anyone go to NU expecting to be a one and done? NU sells the value of the degree post playing days even if you turn pro.
Not if they can sign a multi-million dollar contract after one year. Why wait?
Um, because if we want to compete in today’s college hoops world we need players who have the ability to make that choice. The degree is wonderful, but there is no sport with more lucrative contracts than the NBA.
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Great, but with all due respect, if I am a top 5 HS player I am going to a BBall factory that has a Coach that puts tons of players in the NBA. Education is secondary and it’s not a close second.
Yeah or you go your own thing and make a tremendous impact on a program. Something like Felipe Lopez.
Respectfully, my question centers around whether going to a basketball factory like Duke or Kentucky versus a non factory school makes any difference for a player pro scouts have tabbed as a first-rounder. Like a Durant at Texas.
Other than the obvious attraction of playing in front of larger crowds and on more national television, what is gained....is any risk avoided by going the factory route? Does it help one iota to close out the deal?
Coaching. I support CCC, but he doesn’t have the history of Coach K, Cal, Wright, Izzo et al.
I don’t understand the Felipe Lopez reference. Didn’t he stay home and go to St. John’s?
Saint Johns was a Big East Power and put many in the NBA under Lou Carnesecca. I believe they made a final 4 not too much before Lopez arrived. They had the Mullin, Wennington, Berry teams. NU isn’t close to the historically as successful as STJ was in the immediate past before enrollment of said superstar.
Ja Morant would say it doesn’t matter one iota what school you go to. If you’re good enough, the NBA will find you.
Of course the NBA will find them. That’s not the point. The question is would they choose a low to mid tier program over Duke or any other blue blood.
How many offers did Ja Morant or CJ McCollum have in HS? We’re either of them recruited by the big boys? Where do you think they would have gone if they had the option?
How many offers did Ja Morant or CJ McCollum have in HS? We’re either of them recruited by the big boys? Where do you think they would have gone if they had the option?
I think lottery-pick one-and-done guys probably want to compete at the highest level in their year in college, have the opportunity to play for a championship. Would be shocked to see either of these kids end up at NU.
So, there's no professional risk of playing at a non factory.
For a guy like Baldwin Jr, the choice then is to either....a.) play at a factory that's already won a championship so that you have the crowds and have a decent likelihood for making the final 16....or....b.) go to a school like NU where you are the biggest thing to happen there in 100+ years, you probably still draw the crowds, ok odds to make the tournament (because of your talent) and the fan base you grew up in goes absolutely bonkers with every small success.
I agree that this is the NU sales pitch.
Will be interesting to see if it is persuasive.
No doubt we lack history, but I think the biggest thing we miss is the ability to play with and practice against other NBA-level players. That said, if either PBJ or MC were to commit early, then they could likely help persuade other NBA-level players to come to NU.
If the NU sales pitch is, as written, “ok odds to make the tournament” it will not be persuasive.
I hope they don't come. It would be a stupid decision by them. The only reason to come would be if they want to start a degree here and have the ability to re-enroll later on without going through admissions again. As far as I know you can come back and resume your degree path later on without having to re-apply. At least it used to be that way. Anybody know what current policy is?
You also have the ability to come back and complete your degree at a great university at some later date if you want (I would presume, anyways). Though Duke can offer that too.
Seriously, for a one-and-done NBA player, they will be set financially for their life, their children's life and their grandkid's life. Few NBA players will return for an NBA degree, Shaq being an obvious exception. Even if these kids only play 3 or so years they don't need a sheepskin.
People say this but it’s not true. These guys are terrible money managers and most end up broke pretty quickly after they are out of the NBA.
Booooorrrrrrriiiiiinnnnng!
This is sales - change the pitch to GREAT ODDS!
PBJ is a great message board abbreviation. Crunchy, apricot, wheat for me, with a tall glass of milk.
For the very successful ones, yes. There are plenty of one and dones who don’t end up successful. Not everyone is LeBron. An NU degree isn’t a bad fallback.
You're right. I checked IGNORE's statement and he's right, something like 60% of NBA players are broke 5 years after retiring.
Funny, but between your poor wagers and Mike's rotten math, I'd say that is truly trolling.
Disagree. Mightily. More players go to Duke etc. thinking they are the next Zion and fail to get drafted than vice versa. One ball. 13 players. Bottom line. God makes NBA players. Not coaches. The NBA finds them no matter where they are. The biggest risk for Junior and Christie and others is going to Duke or UK and playing 4th or 5th fiddle .... maybe worse.
BTW ... the NU coaching staff has plenty of NBA experience and connections. Multiple experienced eyes following your every move. They know what it takes.
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If your son was projected as a lottery pick, would you prefer he go to Duke or NU?
That's a good question. For me as an NU alum, I would have to honestly say it depends. But Duke wouldn't be automatic.
Just like Chris Hinton, who's 5-star rated sons went elsewhere (to my chagrin) you can't force your kids to go to NU.
I respect anyone that can just get admitted to NU ( I wouldn’t be able to sniff it) but I am pretty sure the answer would be close to unanimous for Duke for any non-NU alum. I can see how your perspective and GoNU’s can be different as you have been very successful with your NU education, but neither of you were projected to be NBA lottery picks. A player like PBJ is going to school for a basketball degree not journalism. Is it short sighted by some? Yes it is, but failing to make it in the NBA is just not how these kids think.
Agreed. But if the NBA is a given, then why not NU? You have the chance to be The Man rather than just one more 5 star on a roster full of them. PBJ + Christie + Beran + Nance + Kopp + ? = an outstanding core in 2021.
OKay, I'll take that bait. Where are you going to get the most exposure? Where are you going to have the best teammates and a chance to go far in the NCAA Tourney?
You could say it doesn't matter where you go, the cream rises to the top, but publicity matters for endorsements purposes. If Zion had gone to NU, he would have been a phenom, but I'm not sure he would have been on ESPN as much and I'm not sure we could have won our conference in such a tough conference year.
Moreover, would you rather be coached by the HoF coach or his much less successful (so far) protege?
If you're going to be one and done, why not go to Duke, be a treated like royalty, and play for Coach K?
Poor example puke. Zion was already a sensation well before he went to Duke. He would've gotten the ESPN and other coverage wherever he chose to go.
Actually, if NU became a national championship contender, you might get exposure something similar to what we got in our run to the Roses. Hard to beat Moses parting the waves for us on the Tonight Show and I don’t think Zion was ever on a Wheaties box. Chicago would go apeshit for NU like it did in 1995.
He wasn’t even the highest regarded frosh on his class at Duke let alone the highest in his class.
Also thanks for not reading. I never said he wouldn’t get any coverage. He’s got max coverage being at Duke because it’s Duke. How do you think he became a household name so quickly? You’re ignorant if you think his rise would have been as swift here.
Sure but that wasn’t my point. If you’re the kids, why run any risk? Go to Duke and get tutelage from Coach K.
I wouldn’t be enamored with either as an obvious/easy choice. All the risk however would be with Duke. Lots of lottery projections go to Duke and never get drafted for the reasons I mentioned. There are at least as many families that regret the Duke decision as celebrate it. As for NU, they would be in the discussion for 2 reasons. The Collins x 2 factor with Brian James. And second, the fact that my son would be playing with players that are talented enough to take advantage of what he brought to the table. Otherwise, there are too many relevant variables to mention.
GOUNUII
Listen puke, he was already a household name and an internet sensation before he ever signed with Duke. YouTube, Instagram, Facebook,.. he was everywhere.