Question for the board about matchups.

[KerryRhodes]

Im trying to understand all the talk about " that team isnt a good matchup"

However true that is, you still have to play them. So if theyre a bad matchup you can either :

1 solve and equalize their advantages.
2. Create matchup problems for them.
3. Mimic to them what causes you so many problems with them.

No team goes undefeated. You see and play your conference foes, 2 to 3 times a year. Maybe even 4 in the NCAAT. So someone solved them.

In essence in to what im saying is;

" saying team A is a matchup problem, is an excuse to me if you lose to them."

Tell me where im wrong.

 

[MikesMarbles]

Before this gets to Page 10... Do you have in any way an open mind on this issue, or is your mind made up at this point? If the latter is true there's not much point in trying to convince you otherwise.

 

[KerryRhodes]

Before this gets to Page 10... Do you have in any way an open mind on this issue, or is your mind made up at this point? If the latter is true there's not much point in trying to convince you otherwise.

I wouldnt have asked if i didnt.
Im sure some of you can recall, i also said the same thing about the last coach who said this.

I WANT to play FSU again this season.
99% of Cards fans want to avoid them in the ACCT and the NCAAT.

Expound for me.

 

[KerryRhodes]

@Mark Ennis

I listen to your show.
How about you devote 15 minutes on your show to this topic please.

I dont understand the mindset.

 

[shadow force]

I wouldnt have asked if i didnt.
Im sure some of you can recall, i also said the same thing about the last coach who said this.

I WANT to play FSU again this season.
99% of Cards fans want to avoid them in the ACCT and the NCAAT.

Expound for me.

The same reason everyone on here wants a higher seed in the NCAAT- an easier path to the title. If you can avoid a team that has beaten you twice by double digits in a single elimination tournament, then most people see that as a good thing.

 

[KerryRhodes]

The same reason everyone on here wants a higher seed in the NCAAT- an easier path to the title. If you can avoid a team that has beaten you twice by double digits in a single elimination tournament, then most people see that as a good thing.

I understand that, but also beating the bully should prepare you better than beating little sisters of the poor.

The win at Duke had alot of Cards fans envisioning using the golden scissors.

That should have been a springboard game. Instead its turned into the 2019 @ Carolina win. Did little after that.
The Cards did have the 10 game winning streak, but have faltered in 3 of the last 5.

You have to solve bad matchup problems. Its what your future opponents are going to employ.

 

[FlavRunit]

I'm in the camp of wanting to play Florida St on a neutral court, with both Malik and Enoch healthy. I think we can beat them.

 

[shadow force]

Im trying to understand all the talk about " that team isnt a good matchup"

However true that is, you still have to play them. So if theyre a bad matchup you can either :

1 solve and equalize their advantages.
2. Create matchup problems for them.
3. Mimic to them what causes you so many problems with them.

No team goes undefeated. You see and play your conference foes, 2 to 3 times a year. Maybe even 4 in the NCAAT. So someone solved them.

In essence in to what im saying is;

" saying team A is a matchup problem, is an excuse to me if you lose to them."

Tell me where im wrong.

Sometimes it's not that simple. Do you believe that Pitino, who has forgotten more about basketball than all of us know on this board combined, just simply wasn't smart enough to game plan a way to beat, say, Virginia?

Also just because Team A, with completely different players and style, can beat Team B, doesn't necessarily mean Team C can do the same.

A perfect example is the rock, paper, scissors matchup between UofL, UCONN, and UK. UofL dominated UCONN yet couldn't beat UK, while UCONN dominated Uk.

 

[Cue Card]

I got to assume this thread is about how FSU was able to handle the Cards fairly easily. The match up issue in this case is real. They got big, tall, athletic guards and we got 1. How do you combat that? Lean on that ONE until he gets in foul trouble then hope like hell they're missing from outside. Also hope like hell they don't decide to attack the basket. In the first half against FSU, that is exactly what happened. They missed shots and did not attack the basket.

In the second half, they took our smaller guards and our 1 big guard inside and got him in foul trouble. They also started hitting outside shots when they took them. That's how they were about to erase a 8 point deficit and win the second half by 23 points. They dominated 20 of the 40 minutes and we had no chance.

 

[MikesMarbles]

Remember that year UofL beat UCONN 3 times, and the last win was a complete blowout... Then UCONN went on to win the NC.

I doubt anyone on UCONN's team cares about losing 3 to UofL that year at this point.

Also, this goes back a ways, but back before Brett Favre won the Super Bowl, the big knock on the Packers was they couldn't get past the Cowboys. So one year the Packers won the Super Bowl w/o beating the Cowboys in the playoffs, and some reporter brought up how they never beat Dallas so do they feel like their win is legit, and Favre was like, "Are you f-ing serious??"

I guess that's my thought on the subject. The way college basketball's postseason is set up you don't have to prove yourself against every single team, or even every single team that beat you. You just have to beat whoever is in front of you. If we win the NC without beating Florida State I'm not going to feel like our Championship is any less valid, even if they beat us a third time.

 

[Ipartiedwithhopgood_rivals307205]

Good physical teams are a bad matchup.

 

[KerryRhodes]

Remember that year UofL beat UCONN 3 times, and the last win was a complete blowout... Then UCONN went on to win the NC.

I doubt anyone on UCONN's team cares about losing 3 to UofL that year at this point.

Also, this goes back a ways, but back before Brett Favre won the Super Bowl, the big knock on the Packers was they couldn't get past the Cowboys. So one year the Packers won the Super Bowl w/o beating the Cowboys in the playoffs, and some reporter brought up how they never beat Dallas so do they feel like their win is legit, and Favre was like, "Are you f-ing serious??"

I guess that's my thought on the subject. The way college basketball's postseason is set up you don't have to prove yourself against every single team, or even every single team that beat you. You just have to beat whoever is in front of you. If we win the NC without beating Florida State I'm not going to feel like our Championship is any less valid, even if they beat us a third time.

Thats not the point.
UofL has won two Titles without beating uofk. Theyre not demilitarized because they lost the one head to head matchup.

If fans want to avoid certain teams, thats fine. Thats their prerogative. You cannot avoid a conference team, especially if you play them twice. There is no way to avoid playing Clemson in football. You have to figure out how to beat if you want to advance.

The tape teams will use on UofL is from both FSU matchups in the NCAAT, whether they run into FSU or not.

Its cliche and obvious that teams who solve what other teams throw at you advance. Bad matchups can be solved and conquered. FSU pun intended.

 

[KerryRhodes]

I got to assume this thread is about how FSU was able to handle the Cards fairly easily. The match up issue in this case is real. They got big, tall, athletic guards and we got 1. How do you combat that? Lean on that ONE until he gets in foul trouble then hope like hell they're missing from outside. Also hope like hell they don't decide to attack the basket. In the first half against FSU, that is exactly what happened. They missed shots and did not attack the basket.

In the second half, they took our smaller guards and our 1 big guard inside and got him in foul trouble. They also started hitting outside shots when they took them. That's how they were about to erase a 8 point deficit and win the second half by 23 points. They dominated 20 of the 40 minutes and we had no chance.

Then this is where in game adjustments matter.

3s not falling-move in.
You try and draw fouls on their players. Refs not calling them ? Keep trying till they do. No player should ever pout about the refs.

So Hamilton laid the rope a dope on UofL. Most fans blame the defense. I say offense had equal blame going scoreless for 5, 7 minutes whatever it was.

I know about ifs and buts, butttt, UofL could play FSU 1 or even two more times. The 2nd one would be for keeps.

 

[shadow force]

Thats not the point.
UofL has won two Titles without beating uofk. Theyre not demilitarized because they lost the one head to head matchup.

If fans want to avoid certain teams, thats fine. Thats their prerogative. You cannot avoid a conference team, especially if you play them twice. There is no way to avoid playing Clemson in football. You have to figure out how to beat if you want to advance.

The tape teams will use on UofL is from both FSU matchups in the NCAAT, whether they run into FSU or not.

Its cliche and obvious that teams who solve what other teams throw at you advance. Bad matchups can be solved and conquered. FSU pun intended.

Not every team has players that are all 6ft 4 and taller, really athletic, and can create their own shot though. Also not every team specializes in the full court pressing style FSU uses. So just because FSU beat the Cards that way doesn't mean everyone else can.

Also you have to remember that for every strategy and plan your team comes up with to outfox the opponent, there is another staff on the opposite side trying to do the same thing.

 

[Cue Card]

Then this is where in game adjustments matter.

3s not falling-move in.
You try and draw fouls on their players. Refs not calling them ? Keep trying till they do. No player should ever pout about the refs.

So Hamilton laid the rope a dope on UofL. Most fans blame the defense. I say offense had equal blame going scoreless for 5, 7 minutes whatever it was.

I know about ifs and buts, butttt, UofL could play FSU 1 or even two more times. The 2nd one would be for keeps.

I agree. The only chance is to take em inside and try to grind out the game with a bunch of whistles. If they're not calling it then get even more physical. That's fine. We're on the same sheet of music regarding the officials. They call the game they see, and it's up to the coaches and players to adjust. Complaining about the calls should be ALL on the coach. None of the players should be complaining.

The good news is we won't have to play another team like FSU on their home floor the rest of the year. We got 2 difficult games to close out the season. 1 very emotional game in the YUM! Center, then another trying to slay that dragon again @ Virginia. Then it's on to the ACC tourney where who knows what will happen. I don't have a clue but I do know I'm stoked about it just the same!

Go CARDS!!!

 

[Cardiac Red]

When you're guards are short and not super fast and the other team has long, tall, fast guards that creates a bad matchup. Theres no game plan on earth that will make your players longer, taller, faster.. And... there's no counter unless your guards can exploit the other team by getting open shots, and more importantly make them. We have 1 guard that's a real 3 point threat, that's McMahon. Athletic teams like FSU can take McMahon out of the game, that negates our only advantage. Therefore it's a bad matchup..

Basically they have a clear physical advantage and we have no counter except to shoot out of our minds..

 

[KerryRhodes]

When you're guards are short and not super fast and the other team has long, tall, fast guards that creates a bad matchup. Theres no game plan on earth that will make your players longer, taller, faster.. And... there's no counter unless your guards can exploit the other team by getting open shots, and more importantly make them. We have 1 guard that's a real 3 point threat, that's McMahon. Athletic teams like FSU can take McMahon out of the game, that negates our only advantage. Therefore it's a bad matchup..

Basically they have a clear physical advantage and we have no counter except to shoot out of our minds..

Theyre taller than every team, Yet they have 4 losses including one to garbage Indiana.

As good Fsu is, it wont be a shock to see them put out before the final four.

 

[Roady]

To get to the Final Four...you are going to have to beat a Baylor, Kansas, SDSU and the like.

 

[PHCARD]

I don't know! This team confuses the he!! out of me. Supposedly the team was kicked out of the gym today. What a shame to have so much talent, but a bunch of guys with no team mentality here and there.

 

[Cardiac Red]

Theyre taller than every team, Yet they have 4 losses including one to garbage Indiana.

As good Fsu is, it wont be a shock to see them put out before the final four.

That's because they'll run into a bad match up.. A team with a real good point guard and strong inside game..

There's bad matchups out there for them. We ain't one of them..

 

[KerryRhodes]

I don't know! This team confuses the he!! out of me. Supposedly the team was kicked out of the gym today. What a shame to have so much talent, but a bunch of guys with no team mentality here and there.

Coach Mack said they had their worst practice right before Duke or Virginia.

Hope thats a good sign, sort of
Sigh.

 

[nccardfan]

I don't know! This team confuses the he!! out of me. Supposedly the team was kicked out of the gym today. What a shame to have so much talent, but a bunch of guys with no team mentality here and there.

Can you elaborate on being kicked out? Mack sent them home?

 

[PHCARD]

Can you elaborate on being kicked out? Mack sent them home?

Mack shut down practice and booted them out of the gym. That’s the word??

 

[KerryRhodes]

Mack shut down practice and booted them out of the gym. That’s the word??

Hopefully the players went somewhere and practiced.
Wouldnt bet on it, but would feel better about it.

 

[Cardiac Red]

Hopefully the players went somewhere and practiced.
Wouldnt bet on it, but would feel better about it.

Yeah it would be nice but like Charlie Strong, I don't think they're cut that way.. (Actually we all know Charlie was)

 

[KerryRhodes]

Yeah it would be nice but like Charlie Strong, I don't think they're cut that way.. (Actually we all know Charlie was)

Strong learned not to be cut that way from patrino.

 

[earsky]

You have to solve bad matchup problems. Its what your future opponents are going to employ.

Therein it lies.
A month or so ago,we were all about the matchup problem that DJ was creating for the opponent. You're right,it can be solved, but maybe by changing up the style of the game.

As far as FSU goes, speed it up. It was obvious that they tried to shorten the shot clock with that press. It eventually worked as they turned the game into a half court game.
Idk, maybe push the ball at every opportunity, break the press instead of walking it over the time line and being baited into a game where there are matchup problems.