There has been a lot of discussion over the past couple of months, in particular about the Ferrari brothers, about wrestling on one or both knees. What would be the pros and cons of starting a stalling count if you went down on a knee when there was no contact between the wrestlers?
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I think if you had a count more people would abuse it to stall knowing they get 4 seconds, pop up for a few seconds, go back down. Right now technically a ref can make a judgement stall call on it whenever he wants. Just wish more of them would lol
It's been happening forever and isn't actually a problem. This happens every few years when a guy people don't like does it . Megaludis was on a knee a bunch and not much was said. Others have been as well and not much is said it's when a guy does it the fans don't like or from a team people don't like. Penn St fans better get ready because Sidun wrestles on his a ton. Doesn't Spratley go to a knee at times?
Dee does quite a bit. Troy doesn’t a ton.
It’s really a nothing IMO. You can still score if they’re on a knee, you just aren’t shooting to that knee? Or maybe you do?
It’s really a nothing IMO. You can still score if they’re on a knee, you just aren’t shooting to that knee? Or maybe you do?
When a guy is on a knee and his opponent stalks him with a hand on the mat the guy on his knee comes off of it. The guy on his knee doesn't want to get put in a front head and be underneath the guy so he comes up. The guy on a knee is looking for you to rush him without a hand on the mat so he can dive in on a low attack. We only see quick twitch guys go to a new for a reason
Yeah, what I’m saying is, there is more than one effective attack that will generate action or achieve stall calls.
Agree but it can only be achieved if the opponent comes forward without a hand on the mat.
I've only seen one person use it to get a takedown this year and it was one of the UALR guys at the last dual. The rest of the time guys seem to use it to slow the match down. Dunno. I'm not in favor of making rules to fix annoying behaviors, if we did that for everything annoying the sport would be impossible.
I believe that anytime a wrestler, offensive or defensive, is in any position and is not trying to improve that position he is stalling. It doesn't matter where he is; feet, knees, stomach... I even believe that if a wrestler shoots, say, a single and his opponent reaches over and grabs his heal that if he keeps trying to get the takedown and all the other wrestler does is continue to hold the heal, that's stalling... he is not trying to improve his position.
Once they put the dropping down to a leg stall count in place, people gamed it to 3-4 seconds, then repeated. But now, the repeating of it is supposed to be a stall.
I guess this approach could be applied to dropping to a knee; or grabbing an ankle, holding a guys head under in a headlock, or sprawling, etc, when done purely defensively to achieve a stalemate without continuously trying to improve until the stalemate is called.
So maybe just issue a stall on the non-aggressor when a stalemate is called and they stopped trying to improve. Double stall calls if warranted.
I guess this approach could be applied to dropping to a knee; or grabbing an ankle, holding a guys head under in a headlock, or sprawling, etc, when done purely defensively to achieve a stalemate without continuously trying to improve until the stalemate is called.
So maybe just issue a stall on the non-aggressor when a stalemate is called and they stopped trying to improve. Double stall calls if warranted.
There are ways to attack it. If there weren’t, Anthony Robles would be the second, undefeated 4xer.
This is the ideal but if you actually call stalling this way no matches would ever leave the first period. Double stall outs galore. It has to be a balance of this plus the reality of competition.
If, hypothetically, the rules changed or were already this way, wrestlers would not do things that would cause stalling calls and OMG wrestling would be more fun to watch.
By the way: I don't remember seeing a double stall in years and years. There have been many times I would've welcomed one.
By the way, by the way: If there is a count for grabbing a leg on top, why is there not a count when the bottom wrestler gets to his feet? There use to be a five count but now the time totally arbitrary.
By the way, infinity: Why does the count for grabbing a leg on top stop if the bottom wrestler is on one foot?