Quinshon Judkins...portalling

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He is a portal player who can make a difference for a team. I wonder if he will show up at A&M with their deep pockets?
 

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This is a major, major loss for Ole Miss. Dart and Judson were to be the catalysts for their offensive success.
 

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Responses range from "speechless" to "stunned" and, of course, include a few "not a huge loss, Bentley is just as good, if not better."
 

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Sorry, taking over the thread.

Gotta say, it's hilarious to see Ole Miss fans on Twitter bemoaning the portal now. "This has to be reigned in! Star player on a team with a talent-laden roster leaving just for money!" Failing to acknowledge, of course, that they got a lot of their talented players through the portal and for money.
 
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Funny to see the damage control coming out of Oxford. Bentley is the better back anyway. Judkins was encouraged to transfer. He was a problem teammate. A bad presence in the locker room.

It was only a few days ago when Ole Miss was jubilant that he was returning.
 
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Funny to see the damage control coming out of Oxford. Bentley is the better back anyway. Judkins was encouraged to transfer. He was a problem teammate. A bad presence in the locker room.

It was only a few days ago when Ole Miss was jubilant that he was returning.
Yep. It's hilarious. They were all happy and rubbing in our faces when they took Juice. Even Dart put something on his IG about not wanting to play with selfish players (which is now deleted). So I'm assuming he's going to refuse to be on the field with Juice then? Or he's not going to throw him the ball? The whole thing is laughable.

One of the best ones is "Oh no...we lost a back that got 4.3 ypc". That guy had 6 games this year with over 20 carries, and 2 games over 30 carries. He ended the year with 1,158 yards and 15 TDs. To put it in perspective, as a team we had 1,021 rushing yards and 17 TDs. He carried the ball 271 times. Our top 3 RBs had 219 carries combined. There is no way to successfully downplay how much of a loss this is for them. Bentley will not be able to survive the way they run the football. They pride themselves on being physical between the tackles.
 

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I heard some "expert" valued Judkins NIL at $500,000, Ole Miss was offering him $900,000 and he wanted $1,600,000 to play next season. Ole Miss said "goodbye".

I don't know how true that is but it sort of makes sense with how all parties are behaving.
 

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I heard some "expert" valued Judkins NIL at $500,000, Ole Miss was offering him $900,000 and he wanted $1,600,000 to play next season. Ole Miss said "goodbye".

I don't know how true that is but it sort of makes sense with how all parties are behaving.

As it is with all reported NIL negotiations, there is never confirmation of anything. The valuing of players is totally arbitrary, and there is never, and I mean never, a confirmation of what a player is asking for and how much a school actually offers/pays.

Someone will post on Twitter or some other social media "It's been reported that blah blah blah" but they can never actually link to where it was "reported". It only means they saw it on another social media account who also said it was "reported". In most cases, it's some Joe Blow on Twitter saying "I heard he was asking for $x!"
 

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As it is with all reported NIL negotiations, there is never confirmation of anything. The valuing of players is totally arbitrary, and there is never, and I mean never, a confirmation of what a player is asking for and how much a school actually offers/pays.

Someone will post on Twitter or some other social media "It's been reported that blah blah blah" but they can never actually link to where it was "reported". It only means they saw it on another social media account who also said it was "reported". In most cases, it's some Joe Blow on Twitter saying "I heard he was asking for $x!"
I have read on some legit sites that a lot of these NIL deals are nothing more than advances/loans against future NFL income that the player will have to pay back and the NIL group will act as the player's agent. I think this makes sense for Caleb William types when you see their penthouse apartments and high dollar cars. One story I read was about a player who went to the NFL and was complaining about how much of his signing bonus he had to pay back to the NIL group who had paid him in college.
 

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I have read on some legit sites that a lot of these NIL deals are nothing more than advances/loans against future NFL income that the player will have to pay back and the NIL group will act as the player's agent. I think this makes sense for Caleb William types when you see their penthouse apartments and high dollar cars. One story I read was about a player who went to the NFL and was complaining about how much of his signing bonus he had to pay back to the NIL group who had paid him in college.

I've heard that as a possibility as well. It's so shrouded in secrecy.

There must be some way of getting a look at the books of the collectives. In way or another they have to account for the money coming in and going out. I guess you can't FOIA them, since they aren't associated with the universities...wink wink.
 

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I've heard that as a possibility as well. It's so shrouded in secrecy.

There must be some way of getting a look at the books of the collectives. In way or another they have to account for the money coming in and going out. I guess you can't FOIA them, since they aren't associated with the universities...wink wink.
Since they are private entities with no stockholders to report to and they aren't using any public money, their books can be totally secret. I'm fine with that. I think it is absurd that people give them money when there is no way to know how any of the money is spent. For all the donors know, the guys running the collectives are pocketing millions of dollars and laughing at the fools sending in the checks.
 

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Since they are private entities with no stockholders to report to and they aren't using any public money, their books can be totally secret. I'm fine with that. I think it is absurd that people give them money when there is no way to know how any of the money is spent. For all the donors know, the guys running the collectives are pocketing millions of dollars and laughing at the fools sending in the checks.

I actually just asked the question in a new thread. Garnet Trust is a non-profit 501(c)(3), which I think means they have to make financial records public. I believe non-profits are required to maintain transparency. Not 100% sure.

Edit: The GT Foundation is non-profit.
 
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I actually just asked the question in a new thread. Garnet Trust is a non-profit 501(c)(3), which I think means they have to make financial records public. I believe non-profits are required to maintain transparency. Not 100% sure.

Edit: The GT Foundation is non-profit.
Interesting. I wonder how detailed the books are? Are the checks written to players itemized by player or lumped into some category like "Payments to Players" on an earnings statement?
 

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Interesting. I wonder how detailed the books are? Are the checks written to players itemized by player or lumped into some category like "Payments to Players" on an earnings statement?

I mistakenly thought GT was non-profit. GT Foundation is, which is somehow separate from GT. Since GT is for-profit, the secrecy continues.
 

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A lot of talk coming out of Oxford about how Judkins was a cancer on the team. No one at Ole Miss seems sad to see him leave.

lol...yes. Curious to note there was ZERO talk of him being a cancer when Twitter was abounding with jubilant posts about him returning. It 100% positive.

He decides to enter the portal and suddenly he's a problem teammate.

The portal does weird things to people.

Do you recall a player in our not-too-distant past who we were told was a cancer? Yep, Spencer Rattler, who turned out to be one of the greatest team players we've ever had. Can't believe everything you hear.
 
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lol...yes. Curious to note there was ZERO talk of him being a cancer when Twitter was abounding with jubilant posts about him returning. It 100% positive.

He decides to enter the portal and suddenly he's a problem teammate.

The portal does weird things to people.

Do you recall a player in our not-too-distant past who we were told was a cancer? Yep, Spencer Rattler, who turned out to be one of the greatest team players we've ever had. Can't believe everything you hear.
Generally; I agree, but this talk is coming from players, not fans.
 

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Not to mention Dart chased the bag by transferring from SoCal to Ole Miss.
Yeah most of the time transferring is to chase the bag.

This sure as heck wasn't the cSe here though. Jaxson Dart left USC because there was no way he was starting over Lincoln Riley's guy in Caleb Williams. Riley had already taken the job and Williams had announced entering the portal before Dart did.
 

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A lot of talk coming out of Oxford about how Judkins was a cancer on the team. No one at Ole Miss seems sad to see him leave.
Believe it or not, we're not the only fanbase in America that downplays losses. When it was reported he was coming back they were ecstatic. Now all of a sudden he's a cancer. "We're better off with the guy that wasn't good enough to take carries from him." Ok, sure.
 

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Yeah most of the time transferring is to chase the bag.

This sure as heck wasn't the cSe here though. Jaxson Dart left USC because there was no way he was starting over Lincoln Riley's guy in Caleb Williams. Riley had already taken the job and Williams had announced entering the portal before Dart did.
While I agree, it's still a selfish move. He put him own needs ahead of the team's, which was the tone of his IG post criticizing Judkins.
 

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Believe it or not, we're not the only fanbase in America that downplays losses. When it was reported he was coming back they were ecstatic. Now all of a sudden he's a cancer. "We're better off with the guy that wasn't good enough to take carries from him." Ok, sure.
Like I said above, if this was coming from fans I wouldn't mention it but this talk is coming from players. Lane also came out and basically said "see ya" to him.
 

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Like I said above, if this was coming from fans I wouldn't mention it but this talk is coming from players. Lane also came out and basically said "see ya" to him.
Players are just following their internet troll, master marketer HC. They have to act like they're better off to feed the hype.
 

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While I agree, it's still a selfish move. He put him own needs ahead of the team's, which was the tone of his IG post criticizing Judkins.
Definitely not saying he's in the right, just stating he wasn't exactly chasing the bag. He had to make a move if his end goal is to make it to the NFL. That wasn't going to happen to sit behind Caleb Williams.

The portal brings out the worst in people, players, coaches, advisors, and this was a clear case of that in his post.
 

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Definitely not saying he's in the right, just stating he wasn't exactly chasing the bag. He had to make a move if his end goal is to make it to the NFL. That wasn't going to happen to sit behind Caleb Williams.

The portal brings out the worst in people, players, coaches, advisors, and this was a clear case of that in his post.
Yeah, like I said. I'm sure he's not going to have any issues at all throwing to Juice. What Juice did much worse than just deciding to transfer and chase a bag.
 
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Definitely not saying he's in the right, just stating he wasn't exactly chasing the bag. He had to make a move if his end goal is to make it to the NFL. That wasn't going to happen to sit behind Caleb Williams.

The portal brings out the worst in people, players, coaches, advisors, and this was a clear case of that in his post.

Yeah, like I said. I'm sure he's not going to have any issues at all throwing to Juice. What Juice did much worse than just deciding to transfer and chase a bag.

The portal is antithetical to the team concept. To have a functional team of any sort, participants, of necessity, must prioritize team interests over self interest. In the case of the football portal, self interest may be getting a few more snaps somewhere else, boosting your draft stock, getting more NIL money or whatever. In any case, that all works against the concept of team.
 
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As it is with all reported NIL negotiations, there is never confirmation of anything. The valuing of players is totally arbitrary, and there is never, and I mean never, a confirmation of what a player is asking for and how much a school actually offers/pays.

Someone will post on Twitter or some other social media "It's been reported that blah blah blah" but they can never actually link to where it was "reported". It only means they saw it on another social media account who also said it was "reported". In most cases, it's some Joe Blow on Twitter saying "I heard he was asking for $x!"
Market driven, not totally arbitrary as you suggest.
 

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Market driven, not totally arbitrary as you suggest.
I’m speaking to the reported valuing of players. Nobody has any idea of any player’s actual NIL deal, so reported values are all speculation. Of course their NIL deals are market-driven in a capitalistic economy.
 

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The portal is antithetical to the team concept. To have a functional team of any sort, participants, of necessity, must prioritize team interests over self interest. In the case of the football portal, self interest may be getting a few more snaps somewhere else, boosting your draft stock, getting more NIL money or whatever. In any case, that all works against the concept of team.
The portal is nothing more than the NFL model being pushed onto college football. Players have no loyalty to teams or schools anymore. Their only loyalty is to NIL money and self promotion.