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Kaizer Sosay

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I would say that at $75,000 they are getting off cheap. The brother probably could have received a much bigger settlement.

Moral of the story: Don't do heroin and always pay your traffic tickets.
 
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Kaizer Sosay said:
I would say that at $75,000 they are getting off cheap. The brother probably could have received a much bigger settlement.

Moral of the story: Don't do heroin and always pay your traffic tickets.
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If someone is a heroin addict, their money (if they have any) is rarely going to be spent paying a traffic ticket.
 
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wildcatsboston1984 said:
This is what happens when government officials allow many aspects of the criminal justice system to become for-profit.
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Exactly. Cities, including Louisville, have started cracking down on jaywalking now. JAYWALKING. All the violent crimes going on, and police forces focus a large part of manpower to speeding and parking tickets, and jaywalking.

Tells you all you need to know.
 
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America the beautiful! its sad no matter what angle you want to take. The dude was paying double punishment with severe withdrawl/jail. If you want to judge him that's your choice he shouldn't of suffered like that. Hell people on survivor live like kings compared to him losing 50 pounds in 17 days. But hey he's just a junkie. So was Elvis, but he had talent so we will let that slide. Point being it shouldn't matter, the dude was sick. Had he been shanked he would of got medical asap. His brother got medical while he became the martyr.
 
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Addict or not, letting another human being die under your watch should have a stiff punishment. Seems to me that he explained what was going on and they just ignored him even while he was having seizures, and literally died right in front of them.

Law enforcement in this country continues to make a mockery of itself.
 
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Addict or not, letting another human being die under your watch should have a stiff punishment. Seems to me that he explained what was going on and they just ignored him even while he was having seizures, and literally died right in front of them.

Law enforcement in this country continues to make a mockery of itself.
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"They" didn't do anything wrong. He screwed up when he started taking heroin. Decisions have consequences. Sorry junkies.
 
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They have an obligation to monitor the health and well being of everyone in their custody. That is the law. They will be subject to it.

You can't deny people their freedom and then say damn the consequences. If someone has any health related issue and you have them under your exclusive care they are your ward. It's part of the job and responsibility.
 
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What if that person was the next Albert Einstein and he just needs to get clean to be able to change modern science?
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I'll one up you willy. I thought of that angle as well. The first person that came to mind though was hitler and all nazis for that matter were heavily addicted to meth and that didn't go so well. Goering on the other hand was a fan of the downers with a pain med despenser at his beck and call. When he was captured, he was sent to prison and went through straight withdrawl and lived long enough to tell some he wasn't going out like that it would be suicide by cyanide
 
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What do you mean "they?" Im a UK junkie does that make me a bad person? Based on your "consequences" we all were punished for being addicted to UK basketball by coming up 2 games short. Now we're all suffering UK withdrawl. Sorry junkies
 
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I dont know of any jail thats going to give xanax, klonopin and oxys to prisoners for their "anxiety" and "pain". If they did that, there would be a line around the building of dope fiends waiting to get into a jail cell. Sorry to ruin the "F-ck tha po-leece" rally for the day but Its unlikely the jail is held responsible.
 
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John Oliver did a pretty similar story to the OP a few months ago. As most of his pieces, it was really well done.
 
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VT/UK Rondo said:
I dont know of any jail thats going to give xanax, klonopin and oxys to prisoners for their "anxiety" and "pain". If they did that, there would be a line around the building of dope fiends waiting to get into a jail cell. Sorry to ruin the "F-ck tha po-leece" rally for the day but Its unlikely the jail is held responsible.
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not sure if serious, but on the outside chance...its why you send them to the hospital.
 
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If that nurse actually assessed him and there's documented proof she knew he was on chronic benzo therapy, then some people's licenses are gonna be in jeopardy. That's blatant medical malpractice.
 
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This happened over a year ago. I believe he died on June 27, 2014. The Macomb Co. Jail is an LLC owned by a company out of Tennessee named Correct Care Solutions. Seems like the correct care in this case was to save money on drugs. Also they are able to pinch a penny by keeping the prisoners naked. Cuts down on pesky laundry costs.

Instead of money being the penalty, I would like to see each and every person responsible for his welfare while he's incarcerated charged with negligent homicide, involuntary manslaughter, or whatever they call it there when your actions lead directly to another persons death.
 
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WayneDougan said:
Awwww..... Did the heroin addict not get his medicine? They did society a favor by letting this guy go cold turkey.
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I love your sense of empathy.

And prison-for-profit is a terrible thing, but apparently the only thing that matters to half the country is that dolla, dolla bill y'all.
 
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MegaBlue05 said:
I love your sense of empathy.

And prison-for-profit is a terrible thing, but apparently the only thing that matters to half the country is that dolla, dolla bill y'all.
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You know who doesn't like prison-for-profit? People who like to break the law. Sorry effers... we're making this country a better place by putting criminals in jail.
 
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WayneDougan said:
You know who doesn't like prison-for-profit? People who like to break the law. Sorry effers... we're making this country a better place by putting criminals in jail.
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I disagree.

Drug addicts belong in treatment. Wall Street bankers belong in jail, but I digress.

Law and order. Police state. Bow to the strong arm of the law!!!

EFF YEAH!!!!!!
 
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False.
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LordEgg said:
not sure if serious, but on the outside chance...its why you send them to the hospital.
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Jail employees dont make medical assessments, thats what the contract medical staff are there for. They make the call and determinations therefore they take the hit on responsibility for healthcare decisions. Jail staff cant even send a prisoner to the hospital unless a medical staff (usually a Physician) deems it necessary. Thats why the jail wont be held responsible. The contract medical company has some explaining to do though...
 
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By reading this thread you can actually see who will be casting there vote for the donald as president. This would not be a story had this guy been a murder but he wasn't. If death was the penalty for not paying a ticket I for one would of been gone at age 16. I know they see this stuff daily, but watching that video you could tell the kid was suffering bad.
 
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You morons. This guy didn't die for not paying a ticket. He didn't die because of for-profit prisons. He died because he was a junkie. And think of all the worthless junkies who get thrown in jail every day. The vast majority get all their medicine. One guy slips through the cracks and you all freak out? Sorry, not buying it.
 
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Wall2Boogie said:
By reading this thread you can actually see who will be casting there vote for the donald as president. This would not be a story had this guy been a murder but he wasn't. If death was the penalty for not paying a ticket I for one would of been gone at age 16. I know they see this stuff daily, but watching that video you could tell the kid was suffering bad.
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You're right on one thing. I am voting for Trump. I'd rather burn the mofo down than have HRC or Bush.
 
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How much did the state lose for having him in prison for a month vs. just letting the traffic violation go? My guess is if the guy was healthy and didn't die that the state would have lost tens of thousands of dollars for a 500 dollar traffic ticket, which is just stupid and shows why we are in trillions of debt.
 
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Wall2Boogie said:
By reading this thread you can actually see who will be casting there vote for the donald as president. This would not be a story had this guy been a murder but he wasn't. If death was the penalty for not paying a ticket I for one would of been gone at age 16. I know they see this stuff daily, but watching that video you could tell the kid was suffering bad.
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This is normal behavior. Sad but true. Want to really see something sad watch an alcoholic go through DTs or a crackhead go through withdrawal or crystal meth...hell any addiction really and almost all arrive at jail with some type of addiction. Whats lost in all of this is "bedspace" in hospitals and mental health facilities-you cant simply fill these places up with criminals from the jail.

Put it like this, how would you like to take your child to the hospital with pnuemonia or such only to find out that they couldnt admit him (or you had to wait)because they had a bunch of dope fiends from the jail taking up the bedspace?
How about If you had a family member needing treatment for an addiction and they couldnt be admitted to a mental health facility because the jail dumped all their criminals off there and there simply wasnt enough room?

Im as empathetic as the next person but its not always as "cut and dry" as most on here want it to be.
 
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This is normal behavior. Sad but true. Want to really see something sad watch an alcoholic go through DTs or a crackhead go through withdrawal or crystal meth...hell any addiction really and almost all arrive at jail with some type of addiction. Whats lost in all of this is "bedspace" in hospitals and mental health facilities-you cant simply fill these places up with criminals from the jail.

Put it like this, how would you like to take your child to the hospital with pnuemonia or such only to find out that they couldnt admit him (or you had to wait)because they had a bunch of dope fiends from the jail taking up the bedspace?
How about If you had a family member needing treatment for an addiction and they couldnt be admitted to a mental health facility because the jail dumped all their criminals off there and there simply wasnt enough room?

Im as empathetic as the next person but its not always as "cut and dry" as most on here want it to be.
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I agree, but I don't think demoralizing or degrading them is the answer. Taking up bed space is not the answer either. Why not treat them In their cells if they are in that bad of shape and by themselves? I get it they did it to themselves, but this isnt sharia law. If there is a way to safely, and financially help them then do it. It's not like there wasn't resources avilable to save his life there were.
 
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Jesus Christ. If you clowns can't figure out that when someone is denied their freedom by the state, for whatever reason - justified, minor, or major - that the state becomes responsible for their well being and is the only source of aid (hence the responsibility) I don't know what to tell you. I hope no one you love is taken in for any offense and denied their care...and if they are, I hope you have the cavalier attitude about it then you do now. I'm having trouble telling if I'm being trolled, if you all are that effing immoral or if the rupp rafters has lost a couple of posters to the paddock by accident.
 
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VT/UK Rondo said:
Jail employees dont make medical assessments, thats what the contract medical staff are there for. They make the call and determinations therefore they take the hit on responsibility for healthcare decisions. Jail staff cant even send a prisoner to the hospital unless a medical staff (usually a Physician) deems it necessary. Thats why the jail wont be held responsible. The contract medical company has some explaining to do though...
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You're talking out of your *** here. Jails can certainly face civil liability for inadequate prisoner medical care. You can make a claim in federal court under 42 U.S.C. 1983 if you can show deliberate indifference, which you probably can in this situation.
 
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Based on what I know dealing with the homeless and troubled young adults, I would estimate that 2 out of every 3 people admitted into prison right now are going in heading through withdrawal from heroin. They take in 20 people today 13 of them will detox in jail. There is no way on Earth the prisons can administer that care. There is a youth from my church who has served three 6 month or longer sentences in the last 3 years and each time he got out he was back on heroin within a month. Society cannot foot the bill for heroin addiction. You can't help people quit. It is tenfold more addictive than any substance on Earth. If you are dumb enough to try it you live with the consequences. Every single person in my community that I know that has used it once has been imprisoned, has been homeless, is jobless, and they have no hope. I have theorized that OD's are probably mostly suicide. The user knows no other way out.
 
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Taliban nearly eradicated most of the Afghanistan's poppy fields. Since the U.S have recovered the poppy fields. They are breaking records with opium production. So not only are we making the ****. We are dosing our own people. That's just not a fact. That's a GD fact. Just like the "CIA" didn't pour crack cocaine from Noreiga's cocaine fields either. Of course not, our country is an angelic angel from the love of Baby Jesus.

So if a fat person goes to jail and dies because the jail didn't give him his fat people medicine, is that ok or is that jail gonna get hell over denying that fat people medicine?

Is one addiction ok, while another is not?


I guess it's all perception with some early guidance from having bat **** crazy parents.
 
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