Rattler played well enough on Saturday but..."we are not going to win games if we can't run the ball"

[18IsTheMan]

At least according to this guy, who identified Rattler as the most talented player on the field.

Talented Spencer Rattler makes South Carolina dangerous, but supporting cast lacking and banged up

FAYETTEVILLE, Ark. — South Carolina might have a quarterback capable of beating any team in the nation on a given day, but only with a sufficient level of play around him.

www.dawgnation.com

Per Pittman: "A lot about the quarterback is a lot about who is around you. You have to have protection, you have to have guys get open, and he’s got a big tight end from Oklahoma, but if he has those things, he’s really good, and he makes really good plays. He’s accurate with the ball and he can scramble, (and) he won a lot of games early at Oklahoma. But at quarterback, you have to be upright, and you have to have good receivers and all those things.”

Pittman was not-so-subtly pointing out the issues we have on offense, namely OL protection.

Rattler missed on some deep balls, but did connect on 4 passes of over 38 yards. The interception in the end zone wasn't good, but the game was over at the point anyway. Spencer isn't a Heisman candidate, for sure, but if we could find a run game, we'd be in a very good position offensively.

Rattler identified the issue as well: "We put up 30 points, threw for almost 400 yards, but we have to run the ball better. We rushed for 50 yards (29-40) and that is just not us. It can’t be us. We are not going to win games if we can’t run that ball.”

That pretty much summarizes our predicament: "we are not going to win games if we can't run the ball."

The question is "how do you manufacture a run game?"

 

[Prestonyte]

We are very predictable and easy to defend in the run game - that's on the OC. If Satt doesn't recognize the need to make a change then he needs to be the change. Hope Beamer has this same viewpoint.

 

[18IsTheMan]

We are very predictable and easy to defend in the run game - that's on the OC. If Satt doesn't recognize the need to make a change then he needs to be the change. Hope Beamer has this same viewpoint.

Interestingly, Arky was also predictable with their run game and we still couldn't stop them. It was pitcher saying "I'm throwing a fastball down the middle, see if you can hit it." And we couldn't.

 

[Prestonyte]

Interestingly, Arky was also predictable with their run game and we still couldn't stop them. It was pitcher saying "I'm throwing a fastball down the middle, see if you can hit it." And we couldn't.

That's true - we were bullied up front on both sides of the ball. However, good scheming can give you a successful running game even when out manned up front. Our contain defense on the outside was awful on Saturday.

 

[18IsTheMan]

Just read another article that stated, matter of factly, that we probably have the worst OL in the SEC.

 

[BigJC]

If your OL is weak, your only hope for running the ball is to run outside and that is really hard to do in today's SEC with the speed of the linebackers and how good the safeties are coming up in run support. The only option left is to go to screen passes to the running backs to try and get them one on one in space. If your OL can't pass protect well those become hazardous as well. Marshawn shows flashes but he is having to do it all on his own and that is not a recipe for success.

 

[Prestonyte]

Rattler has to be a weapon as a runner and the defense has to see a scheme which has options and gives the defense something to have to make decisions on to create space and give the OL a way to get position/angles for blocking.

 

[BigJC]

Rattler has to be a weapon as a runner and the defense has to see a scheme which has options and gives the defense something to have to make decisions on to create space and give the OL a way to get position/angles for blocking.

His longest run this season is 8 yds. He can scramble but he isn't really a dual threat qb. For his career he has 143 rushes for 225 yds, a 1.6 yard per rush avg and 3 rushing tds, in 4 seasons of play. Trying to turn him into a runner would be a really bad idea.

 

[vacock]

His longest run this season is 8 yds. He can scramble but he isn't really a dual threat qb. For his career he has 143 rushes for 225 yds, a 1.6 yard per rush avg and 3 rushing tds, in 4 seasons of play. Trying to turn him into a runner would be a really bad idea.

Yes, probably a bad idea but I think he would make yards if there were plays set up for him to run and pass out of bounds if in trouble.

 

[Prestonyte]

His longest run this season is 8 yds. He can scramble but he isn't really a dual threat qb. For his career he has 143 rushes for 225 yds, a 1.6 yard per rush avg and 3 rushing tds, in 4 seasons of play. Trying to turn him into a runner would be a really bad idea.

C. Shaw wasn't a runner but he was a threat to run if not covered. I see Rattler in a similar role with comparable size and speed.

 

[vacock]

C. Shaw wasn't a runner but he was a threat to run if not covered. I see Rattler in a similar role with comparable size and speed.

Isn’t Rattler faster?

 

[Prestonyte]

Isn’t Rattler faster?

Maybe, I'm not sure

 

[bayrooster]

Interestingly, Arky was also predictable with their run game and we still couldn't stop them. It was pitcher saying "I'm throwing a fastball down the middle, see if you can hit it." And we couldn't.

Their O line could block better.

 

[Viennacock]

Just read another article that stated, matter of factly, that we probably have the worst OL in the SEC.

You know the crazy part? You may see several of these guys get a shot at the next level. I don't think it's a lack of talent.

 

[18IsTheMan]

We have a bad combination of a porous OL and a gunslinger QB.

 

[Taco73]

That's true - we were bullied up front on both sides of the ball. However, good scheming can give you a successful running game even when out manned up front. Our contain defense on the outside was awful on Saturday.

We were out played physically. Our guys looked overmatched on both sides of the ball.

 

[BigJC]

We were out played physically. Our guys looked overmatched on both sides of the ball.

It's hard to scheme around that.

 

[Tngamecock]

We have a bad combination of a porous OL and a gunslinger QB.

go back and watch the game again. I did and it was amazing how we were a few inches off on several things. Sometimes it did not feel like that during the game, but the first quarter where they ran it down our throats set a tone for how it felt l. Not just the long ball passes missed, but the screen passes that were set up beautifully but on one Marshawn turned inward and the ball was thrown perfectly where if he had turned the right way we would’ve had a 40 to 50 yard gain. Rat were messed up on the interception in the end zone and the safety. There was a couple of times when the ends came crashing down he tried to spin out when he should have stepped up. Hopefully that will be corrected it’s only a second game with us.

After the first quarter it was amazing after watching it again how close we were. Satterfield called a good game. The oline passed blocked ok… but when you lineup needing the yard or two we get stuffed. I don’t disagree with throwing the ball as much as we did Saturday because it was there. Execution is still not there and many times blocking was the downfall.

We threw an interception in the end zone, had a ball slip out of his hand for a safety, gave Arkansas a touchdown on a botched onside kick. Ark dropped a wide open td. Clean up stuff and we had a shot. Improvement is a must.

 

[18IsTheMan]

Improvement is a must.

I agree with all, especially this last statement.

This is where Beamer has to show he can coach. It's all about making improvements during the season. Muschamp never could. It's hard to say if we did last year or not because of our totally bizarre QB situation.

 

[Tngamecock]

I agree with all, especially this last statement.

This is where Beamer has to show he can coach. It's all about making improvements during the season. Muschamp never could. It's hard to say if we did last year or not because of our totally bizarre QB situation.

With Muschamp we just flat out got worse every game as the season went on. You could tell in our players demeanor they didn’t give a crap by game eight or nine.

 

[BigJC]

go back and watch the game again. I did and it was amazing how we were a few inches off on several things. Sometimes it did not feel like that during the game, but the first quarter where they ran it down our throats set a tone for how it felt l. Not just the long ball passes missed, but the screen passes that were set up beautifully but on one Marshawn turned inward and the ball was thrown perfectly where if he had turned the right way we would’ve had a 40 to 50 yard gain. Rat were messed up on the interception in the end zone and the safety. There was a couple of times when the ends came crashing down he tried to spin out when he should have stepped up. Hopefully that will be corrected it’s only a second game with us.

After the first quarter it was amazing after watching it again how close we were. Satterfield called a good game. The oline passed blocked ok… but when you lineup needing the yard or two we get stuffed. I don’t disagree with throwing the ball as much as we did Saturday because it was there. Execution is still not there and many times blocking was the downfall.

We threw an interception in the end zone, had a ball slip out of his hand for a safety, gave Arkansas a touchdown on a botched onside kick. Ark dropped a wide open td. Clean up stuff and we had a shot. Improvement is a must.

A lot of "ifs" there. I'm sure an Arky fan could compile a list of "ifs" that would have resulted in them shutting us out and scoring three more tds.

The reality is; we fans live in an offseason bubble where all we read are reports about how great our players are and how well things are going in practice and workouts. Our team always wins when we play against ourselves and if the offense looks great we assume they are great. If the defense shuts down the offense, we assume the defense is great and will shut down our opponents. Either way, we always think "this is the year!". When we have to face another program on or near our level is when we find out what we really have. So far, we aren't looking a whole lot better than last season.

 

[Tngamecock]

A lot of "ifs" there. I'm sure an Arky fan could compile a list of "ifs" that would have resulted in them shutting us out and scoring three more tds.

The reality is; we fans live in an offseason bubble where all we read are reports about how great our players are and how well things are going in practice and workouts. Our team always wins when we play against ourselves and if the offense looks great we assume they are great. If the defense shuts down the offense, we assume the defense is great and will shut down our opponents. Either way, we always think "this is the year!". When we have to face another program on or near our level is when we find out what we really have. So far, we aren't looking a whole lot better than last season.

I don’t get into spring or precamp hype. Everyone looks good against themselves. We look light years better than last at every position except oline which looks the same.

We started last year with nothing left over from Muschamp. We started this year with real SEC caliber linebackers and receivers but of course we are down one now. Improvement has to continue. Dumbo Swinney went 6-7 his third year and the taters I knew wanted him gone. Beamer has improved us in a little over a year as much as dumbo did there. I bet the taters are glad they hung on to dumbo for year 4 now. Of course, he had the New Spring money machine to help him get a #7 class the year they went 6-7. Go figure.

 

[KalamaCock]

At least according to this guy, who identified Rattler as the most talented player on the field.

Talented Spencer Rattler makes South Carolina dangerous, but supporting cast lacking and banged up

FAYETTEVILLE, Ark. — South Carolina might have a quarterback capable of beating any team in the nation on a given day, but only with a sufficient level of play around him.

www.dawgnation.com

Per Pittman: "A lot about the quarterback is a lot about who is around you. You have to have protection, you have to have guys get open, and he’s got a big tight end from Oklahoma, but if he has those things, he’s really good, and he makes really good plays. He’s accurate with the ball and he can scramble, (and) he won a lot of games early at Oklahoma. But at quarterback, you have to be upright, and you have to have good receivers and all those things.”

Pittman was not-so-subtly pointing out the issues we have on offense, namely OL protection.

Rattler missed on some deep balls, but did connect on 4 passes of over 38 yards. The interception in the end zone wasn't good, but the game was over at the point anyway. Spencer isn't a Heisman candidate, for sure, but if we could find a run game, we'd be in a very good position offensively.

Rattler identified the issue as well: "We put up 30 points, threw for almost 400 yards, but we have to run the ball better. We rushed for 50 yards (29-40) and that is just not us. It can’t be us. We are not going to win games if we can’t run that ball.”

That pretty much summarizes our predicament: "we are not going to win games if we can't run the ball."

The question is "how do you manufacture a run game?"

Good point. But don't expect to find a run game against Georgia. As Coach Beamer pointed out, Georgia has the best or second best (to Alabama) run defense in the country. I hope we can get something going, and I believe we can have some success, or it will be a long day Saturday. I have always been a loyal Gamecock fan, even in the sixties (I'm telling my age)

At least according to this guy, who identified Rattler as the most talented player on the field.

Talented Spencer Rattler makes South Carolina dangerous, but supporting cast lacking and banged up

FAYETTEVILLE, Ark. — South Carolina might have a quarterback capable of beating any team in the nation on a given day, but only with a sufficient level of play around him.

www.dawgnation.com

Per Pittman: "A lot about the quarterback is a lot about who is around you. You have to have protection, you have to have guys get open, and he’s got a big tight end from Oklahoma, but if he has those things, he’s really good, and he makes really good plays. He’s accurate with the ball and he can scramble, (and) he won a lot of games early at Oklahoma. But at quarterback, you have to be upright, and you have to have good receivers and all those things.”

Pittman was not-so-subtly pointing out the issues we have on offense, namely OL protection.

Rattler missed on some deep balls, but did connect on 4 passes of over 38 yards. The interception in the end zone wasn't good, but the game was over at the point anyway. Spencer isn't a Heisman candidate, for sure, but if we could find a run game, we'd be in a very good position offensively.

Rattler identified the issue as well: "We put up 30 points, threw for almost 400 yards, but we have to run the ball better. We rushed for 50 yards (29-40) and that is just not us. It can’t be us. We are not going to win games if we can’t run that ball.”

That pretty much summarizes our predicament: "we are not going to win games if we can't run the ball."

The question is "how do you manufacture a run game?"

I agree, we need a run game but don't expect to find one against Georgia. Like coach Beamer said, Georgia has the best or second best (think Alabama) run defense in the country. I think we can have some success with it Saturday, but it will take a tremendous effort by Coach Sat and the whole of the offense. I would like to see some scheming with Dakereon in the back field. Maybe a direct snap flea flicker??? I'm not a coach. At any rate, I believe we can have a good game against Georgia. I don't believe anyone on the team plans to roll over. If anything, I think they will play with a bigger chip on their shoulders. Go Cocks. BYTW, I am a native Carolinian who lives in Washington state. WE ARE EVERYWHERE!

 

[BigJC]

I don’t get into spring or precamp hype. Everyone looks good against themselves. We look light years better than last at every position except oline which looks the same.

We started last year with nothing left over from Muschamp. We started this year with real SEC caliber linebackers and receivers but of course we are down one now. Improvement has to continue. Dumbo Swinney went 6-7 his third year and the taters I knew wanted him gone. Beamer has improved us in a little over a year as much as dumbo did there. I bet the taters are glad they hung on to dumbo for year 4 now. Of course, he had the New Spring money machine to help him get a to #7 class the year they went 6-7. Go figure.

Muschamp was bad but he did recruit some talent on the defensive side of the ball and the defense was generally pretty good. If he had found a good OC I think he would still be around.

NIL is going to hurt the cheater programs like Clemson, Auburn and Miami more than anyone. Now that every team can buy players the appeal of spending three or four years in a backwater like Clemson or Auburn or in the inner city ghetto of Miami is going to become a drag on recruiting. I'm surprised the taters threw all that money at Dumbo when it looks like they may be on something of a downturn.

 

[Lurker123]

Dumbo Swinney went 6-7 his third year and the taters I knew wanted him gone. Beamer has improved us in a little over a year as much as dumbo did there. I bet the taters are glad they hung on to dumbo for year 4 now. Of course, he had the New Spring money machine to help him get a to #7 class the year they went 6-7. Go figure.

Agree completely with the preseason hype, and lack of trust in it.

I looked it up to remind me, but Dabo was 6-7 his second year, and that when he dumped his OC and went up tempo "exciting" offense. (To be fair, there was that interim partial year) I think that new offense had a lot to do with attracting skill position talent initially. But that was easily countered with better line play, until they started getting better line play to go with the skill positions.

My point being, they had a successful first year, then dipped his second year (which could sound real familiar soon). It wasn't too soon to overhaul the offense at that point, and it shouldn't be too early here either.

Exciting offense sells to recruits.

 

[Tngamecock]

Agree completely with the preseason hype, and lack of trust in it.

I looked it up to remind me, but Dabo was 6-7 his second year, and that when he dumped his OC and went up tempo "exciting" offense. (To be fair, there was that interim partial year) I think that new offense had a lot to do with attracting skill position talent initially. But that was easily countered with better line play, until they started getting better line play to go with the skill positions.

My point being, they had a successful first year, then dipped his second year (which could sound real familiar soon). It wasn't too soon to overhaul the offense at that point, and it shouldn't be too early here either.

Exciting offense sells to recruits.

It was his third year. He was the head coach for seven games his first year. So that counts in my book.

 

[Maccmaine12]

I just remembered not too long ago that UF made it to the SEC championship game with a terrible run game. Mullins let Trask throw it over the field, and maybe we should do the same.

 

[Prestonyte]

I just remembered not too long ago that UF made it to the SEC championship game with a terrible run game. Mullins let Trask throw it over the field, and maybe we should do the same.

Given time to throw, that could work.

 

[Maccmaine12]

Given time to throw, that could work.

If you watched that UF 2020 OL you’ll see it’s similar to ours but I guess let’s blame the OL about our offense problems and not the OC.

 

[Lurker123]

It was his third year. He was the head coach for seven games his first year. So that counts in my book.

Okay

The point stands though, that dumping the head coach was not warranted after the second year, but overhauling the offense was.

 

[be cocky]

If your OL is weak, your only hope for running the ball is to run outside and that is really hard to do in today's SEC with the speed of the linebackers and how good the safeties are coming up in run support. The only option left is to go to screen passes to the running backs to try and get them one on one in space. If your OL can't pass protect well those become hazardous as well. Marshawn shows flashes but he is having to do it all on his own and that is not a recipe for success.

or get dak out there for a jet sweep and when either the lb or corner drops, throw the ball to a wide open receiver. rinse repeat until they stop crashing.

 

[Tngamecock]

Okay

The point stands though, that dumping the head coach was not warranted after the second year, but overhauling the offense was.

So we will eventually see what’s needed and what happens. But let’s be real, going 6-7 year 2.5 would not sit well with us or any fan base. Especially with that weak *** schedule they played. Wake and Duke were not good. He was close to being let go.

 

[18IsTheMan]

Spurrier was 6-6 in his 3rd year here.

 

[Lurker123]

So we will eventually see what’s needed and what happens. But let’s be real, going 6-7 year 2.5 would not sit well with us or any fan base. Especially with that weak *** schedule they played. Wake and Duke were not good. He was close to being let go.

Agreed.

 

[BigJC]

or get dak out there for a jet sweep and when either the lb or corner drops, throw the ball to a wide open receiver. rinse repeat until they stop crashing.

If the OL can stop their rush so Dak is not being chased down that might work.

 

[be cocky]

If the OL can stop their rush so Dak is not being chased down that might work.

oh yeah, nm

 

[KalamaCock]

or get dak out there for a jet sweep and when either the lb or corner drops, throw the ball to a wide open receiver. rinse repeat until they stop crashing.

I'm thinking the same thing. Get Dak the ball. He can run it or throw it. I would like to see him in the backfield, I think it would be a positive for us.